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Out of the Blue

I'm pretty sure I was right about this oddly mild cold of mine, which has basically run its course. The old saying about colds is three days coming, three days with you, and three days going, so this was basically a third of that process, with each phase taking a single day. I'm not complaining at all. If you have to have one, this is the way to go.

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Ophelia, strongest eastern Atlantic hurricane on record, roars toward Ireland.
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24. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 16, 2017, 10:14 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 16, 2017, 01:01:
I do want to clear up something about milk: it naturally contains very little vitamin D with a cup containing less than 1% of RDA.
people have pointed that fact out to cutter MULTIPLE times to no avail.
You get an A for effort.
 
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23. Re: Ophelia Oct 16, 2017, 04:51 eRe4s3r
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 16, 2017, 01:02:
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 16, 2017, 00:10:
I have nothing bad to say about this storm, it brings 25C warm desert air and a nice breeze to my area. Without it, temperature would be 9C or lower. And it lasts the entire week.

That's because you live 500 miles away from the path of the storm.

Just goes to show, one persons "oh my god the world is ending" storm is another persons "oh, nice, sunshine and blue skies" in October (We Germans call this "Golden October" because that's how our storm situations usually pan out) ;p

But we had our storm last week, and it was pretty severe, so don't think I am not taking storms seriously, but from O to E (October to Eastern) storms are perfectly normal in this region. This one is neither the strongest (when it hits) nor the first (had already 3 storms before this one, weaker but still severe). This is hugely unusual insofar as the temperatures had been really low the past weeks, and only last week storm changed climate conditions to even allow this hurricane to form like this.

And imo it's far worse that my CRT blew up last week (right during the storm too) so now I have finally ponied up some cash for a 27" 1440p 144hz screen with gsync ;p

Anyhow, hope the brits are gonna be alright, our winter storms are always kinda scary.
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 16, 2017, 02:25 The Half Elf
 
NKD wrote on Oct 16, 2017, 00:36:
The Half Elf wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 22:38:
We have a bunch of self entitled people who want instant results, instant no pain, who have a small problem and go whine to doctors

This may come as a shock, but many people have pain that can't be addressed by taking Ibuprofen, and will never go away on its own..

I agree to a point.
But my mom was 74, and when she was about 68 or so I was visiting her and she had a HALF CAKE PAN sized container of drugs. Now granted this was probably about 2 years of meds (why only took what she needed), but she had crap like a 90 day supply of Oxycontin. My sister and I finally went with her to the doctor (who wrote most of the scripts) with roughly 20-22 different medications to find out why she was on all this shit. After doing a little research online just to find out what all the meds were for, we got her down to 6 meds.

And yes there are medical issues that require many high end medications and/or treatments.... but for opiates alone that was what I was referring to.
Go stand out in front of a methadone clinic when they first open. My ex-neighbor needed a ride (she use to do Heroin years ago) to the clinic and I sat in the car. I was really shocked by how many non-drug/junkie people were there due to medication addiction.
But at the same time the clinic kept upping her dose every month or so instead of the opposite.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 16, 2017, 02:15 bigspender
 
NKD wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 21:53:
bigspender wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 19:47:

There are all kinds of things that help in the early stages of RA. Its a few decades too late for that. There's nothing that regrows and repairs your joints other than having them replaced. If I were to come down with RA today myself, I wouldn't even worry about it with what we know and the treatments available that slow down the progress of the disease to essentially a halt. But once the damage is done, it's done.

You're saying that you'd rather eat poison and then take a treatment, instead of just not eating the poison....

This just blows my mind.

Are people really so hooked on dairy, that they'd rather spend $$$ on toxic drugs that destroy your liver etc, instead of simply swapping out dairy for any one of the thousands of plant-based milks and cheeses?

Not even for a week to see how it goes? I don't like telling anyone how to live, but common man it's your mother *shrugs*


I can't remember if it's in the video I linked, but it's just like Cutter says, once the inflammation stops, your body is able to recover and reverse the joint damage.


I think you misunderstand. I am including dietary changes and what-not that we weren't aware of when my mother was diagnosed.

But regarding inflammation, stage IV rheumatoid arthritis is characterized by the inflammation process ceasing. The affected joints essentially reach a maximum deterioration and you effectively lose the use of them. And no, your body can't recover joint cartilage on its own, regardless of what homeopathic remedy you take. There is simply no physical mechanism by which the body can regenerate that tissue.

I think I've just done a poor job relating how advanced my mother's condition is. As you can imagine, after having a disease like RA for decades you've pretty much run out of novel things to try.

Ah yes, you are right, I completely mis-read your original statement. My apologies!

It did feel good ranting though :-)
 
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20. Re: Ophelia Oct 16, 2017, 01:02 jdreyer
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 16, 2017, 00:10:
I have nothing bad to say about this storm, it brings 25C warm desert air and a nice breeze to my area. Without it, temperature would be 9C or lower. And it lasts the entire week.

That's because you live 500 miles away from the path of the storm.
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 16, 2017, 01:01 jdreyer
 
Cutter wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 22:40:
I don't subscribe to any particular form of "diet", paleo, Atkins, high carb, low carb, no dairy, et al. it's all jive to me. As it pertains to dairy it's actually beneficial - and necessary - to those of Indo-European descent, that is to say anyone who didn't evolve along the sunbelt. That's because our ancestors were covered up most of the year and had long, hard winters where you were pretty much indoors most of the time. Dairy was the major source of protein - we didn't eat a lot of meat - and vitamin D in particular. It was easy to convert into cheese and butter. So there are strong arguments for it.

However I do agree that the lion share of out diet should be plant based with fruits and grains/nuts/seeds. That's how we evolved for the most part. Genetics makes all the difference however. What may cause inflammation for you might be beneficial for someone else. You need to experiment and see what works. For me I'm super sensitive to sodium so I'm all about DASH.

This is a really good cookbook - Meals That Heal Inflammation with a ton of good info.

I totally agree that staying away from most fad diets is a good idea, and plant-based whole foods is the way to go to be healthy, prevent many diseases, and even reverse a few of them. There are a ton of studies showing these health benefits. Unfortunately, no one made money by promoting fruits, veggies, and whole grains, so we don't hear much about this.

I do want to clear up something about milk: it naturally contains very little vitamin D with a cup containing less than 1% of RDA. It is a great source of nearly all the B vitamins, protein, and of course, calcium. Starting in 1933, the USA started fortifying milk with vitamin D as a way to prevent rickets in children. That's why we associate vitamin D with milk today. On the other hand, eggs, liver, and some kinds of fish contain a lot of vitamin D. In addition to their light skin, those are probably a better bet for how northern Europeans got their vitamin D in the winter.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 16, 2017, 00:36 NKD
 
The Half Elf wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 22:38:
We have a bunch of self entitled people who want instant results, instant no pain, who have a small problem and go whine to doctors

This may come as a shock, but many people have pain that can't be addressed by taking Ibuprofen, and will never go away on its own..
 
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17. Ophelia Oct 16, 2017, 00:10 eRe4s3r
 
I have nothing bad to say about this storm, it brings 25C warm desert air and a nice breeze to my area. Without it, temperature would be 9C or lower. And it lasts the entire week.
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 22:50 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 15:28:
RedEye9 wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 14:36:
Congress has not done anything to stop gun deaths, why should the opioid crisis be any different.

Cuz drugs, man! DRUGS!

Oh, wait. This is a white drug problem, so you're right. They'll do nothing.

EDIT: Okay, after reading the story, it's the same reason we can't have reasonable gun regulation: corporations paid the congress people to not regulate opioids. Yet another problem that would be much better if corporations weren't allowed to fund politician campaigns.

EDIT 2: The last thing I'll say (promise!) is that pain management is a serious issue, and not enough people are getting the pain meds that they need. So the real problem is 1) how to prevent recreational users from getting them and 2) how to get suffering people the drugs since doctors are now too shy about prescribing them.
Your second edit is what scares me the most. I was recently in the ER with some miserable pain. I got a shot of a pain med (forgot the name, started with a t) that did absolutely nothing. Next up was morphine, 15 minutes later and I could have walked home.

Addicts need treatment, people in pain need real meds. Doctors should not be in fear to prescribe them.
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 22:40 Cutter
 
I don't subscribe to any particular form of "diet", paleo, Atkins, high carb, low carb, no dairy, et al. it's all jive to me. As it pertains to dairy it's actually beneficial - and necessary - to those of Indo-European descent, that is to say anyone who didn't evolve along the sunbelt. That's because our ancestors were covered up most of the year and had long, hard winters where you were pretty much indoors most of the time. Dairy was the major source of protein - we didn't eat a lot of meat - and vitamin D in particular. It was easy to convert into cheese and butter. So there are strong arguments for it.

However I do agree that the lion share of out diet should be plant based with fruits and grains/nuts/seeds. That's how we evolved for the most part. Genetics makes all the difference however. What may cause inflammation for you might be beneficial for someone else. You need to experiment and see what works. For me I'm super sensitive to sodium so I'm all about DASH.

This is a really good cookbook - Meals That Heal Inflammation with a ton of good info.
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 22:38 The Half Elf
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 15:28:
RedEye9 wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 14:36:
Congress has not done anything to stop gun deaths, why should the opioid crisis be any different.

Cuz drugs, man! DRUGS!

Oh, wait. This is a white drug problem, so you're right. They'll do nothing.

EDIT: Okay, after reading the story, it's the same reason we can't have reasonable gun regulation: corporations paid the congress people to not regulate opioids. Yet another problem that would be much better if corporations weren't allowed to fund politician campaigns.

EDIT 2: The last thing I'll say (promise!) is that pain management is a serious issue, and not enough people are getting the pain meds that they need. So the real problem is 1) how to prevent recreational users from getting them and 2) how to get suffering people the drugs since doctors are now too shy about prescribing them.

So since Thursday I've been having slowly rising pains in my left abdomen, until yesterday after work when I got home it was so bad that I was hurting every time I was breathing, and having going up and down stairs. Thought I was having a kidney stone, but more likely diverticulitis flare up (never had one before), as I've NEVER had this sort of pain before. I took 3 ibuprofen, drank a shitload of water and by the time I went to work this morning and now the pain in practically gone.

I had people offering me all sorts of meds (to some "dear lord how do you even stand up after taking this" opiate medications). I didn't take them. We have a bunch of self entitled people who want instant results, instant no pain, who have a small problem and go whine to doctors who get incentives to push narcotics with worse addiction problems then alcohol and tobacco combined.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 21:53 NKD
 
bigspender wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 19:47:

There are all kinds of things that help in the early stages of RA. Its a few decades too late for that. There's nothing that regrows and repairs your joints other than having them replaced. If I were to come down with RA today myself, I wouldn't even worry about it with what we know and the treatments available that slow down the progress of the disease to essentially a halt. But once the damage is done, it's done.

You're saying that you'd rather eat poison and then take a treatment, instead of just not eating the poison....

This just blows my mind.

Are people really so hooked on dairy, that they'd rather spend $$$ on toxic drugs that destroy your liver etc, instead of simply swapping out dairy for any one of the thousands of plant-based milks and cheeses?

Not even for a week to see how it goes? I don't like telling anyone how to live, but common man it's your mother *shrugs*


I can't remember if it's in the video I linked, but it's just like Cutter says, once the inflammation stops, your body is able to recover and reverse the joint damage.


I think you misunderstand. I am including dietary changes and what-not that we weren't aware of when my mother was diagnosed.

But regarding inflammation, stage IV rheumatoid arthritis is characterized by the inflammation process ceasing. The affected joints essentially reach a maximum deterioration and you effectively lose the use of them. And no, your body can't recover joint cartilage on its own, regardless of what homeopathic remedy you take. There is simply no physical mechanism by which the body can regenerate that tissue.

I think I've just done a poor job relating how advanced my mother's condition is. As you can imagine, after having a disease like RA for decades you've pretty much run out of novel things to try.

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12. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 21:00 Prez
 
Aaron Rodgers down for the season! NOOOOooooooooooooooo...... Bigcry  
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 19:50 Hoop
 
I wouldn't even worry about it with what we know and the treatments available that slow down the progress of the disease to essentially a halt. But once the damage is done, it's done.

Agreed sister had juvenile arthritis at 18 & diet cleaned that up.
It's like diet can reverse type 2 diabetes but not type 1.
 
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 19:47 bigspender
 
NKD wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 18:59:
bigspender wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 17:52:
NKD wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 17:05:
My mother is a rheumatoid arthritis sufferer, and has been since she was in her early 20s. At her current age, the RA has done basically all the damage it can do to her joints, and the only avenues left are pain management and joint replacements. She's been on oxycodone for a long, long time. She takes a lot, but she hasn't upped her dose in years.

Every few months she calls me with some new horror story about how junkies are making it harder for her to get her prescriptions filled, or some new hoop she has to jump through. It took her YEARS to get in with a different primary care doctor (she hated her then-current one because he was a prick) because almost none of them were comfortable taking on a patient who needed a lot of opioid pain meds.

Granted, she is an outlier. Most people get RA later in life and kick it from old age long before they suffer as much damage as she has. She's still got quite a few years left, hopefully, and the oxycodone is the only thing that keeps her functioning.

My point is, junkies gonna junk. Don't ruin things for people who have legitimate pain management needs just to try and stick it to big pharma. There are very few options for severe chronic pain, and all of them are abusable by junkies. Doctors should not be made to feel they are risking their license or that they are going to get in trouble for correctly handling someones legitimate pain needs.


Hey dude, I was reading about RA recently, and it seems like most people are able to completely eliminate the symptoms by eliminating a couple of ingredients from their diet (it's not 'cured' but the pain and joint destruction goes away, so there is no need for drugs).

I know it sounds like homeopathy, but it's very well documented in a good medical journals. It might be worth asking your mother to try it for a week, as it seems to improve that fast :-) (obviously in conjunction with her doctor)

Check this out: https://youtu.be/pAxygdQbY34



There are all kinds of things that help in the early stages of RA. Its a few decades too late for that. There's nothing that regrows and repairs your joints other than having them replaced. If I were to come down with RA today myself, I wouldn't even worry about it with what we know and the treatments available that slow down the progress of the disease to essentially a halt. But once the damage is done, it's done.

You're saying that you'd rather eat poison and then take a treatment, instead of just not eating the poison....

This just blows my mind.

Are people really so hooked on dairy, that they'd rather spend $$$ on toxic drugs that destroy your liver etc, instead of simply swapping out dairy for any one of the thousands of plant-based milks and cheeses?

Not even for a week to see how it goes? I don't like telling anyone how to live, but common man it's your mother *shrugs*


I can't remember if it's in the video I linked, but it's just like Cutter says, once the inflammation stops, your body is able to recover and reverse the joint damage.

 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 18:59 NKD
 
bigspender wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 17:52:
NKD wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 17:05:
My mother is a rheumatoid arthritis sufferer, and has been since she was in her early 20s. At her current age, the RA has done basically all the damage it can do to her joints, and the only avenues left are pain management and joint replacements. She's been on oxycodone for a long, long time. She takes a lot, but she hasn't upped her dose in years.

Every few months she calls me with some new horror story about how junkies are making it harder for her to get her prescriptions filled, or some new hoop she has to jump through. It took her YEARS to get in with a different primary care doctor (she hated her then-current one because he was a prick) because almost none of them were comfortable taking on a patient who needed a lot of opioid pain meds.

Granted, she is an outlier. Most people get RA later in life and kick it from old age long before they suffer as much damage as she has. She's still got quite a few years left, hopefully, and the oxycodone is the only thing that keeps her functioning.

My point is, junkies gonna junk. Don't ruin things for people who have legitimate pain management needs just to try and stick it to big pharma. There are very few options for severe chronic pain, and all of them are abusable by junkies. Doctors should not be made to feel they are risking their license or that they are going to get in trouble for correctly handling someones legitimate pain needs.


Hey dude, I was reading about RA recently, and it seems like most people are able to completely eliminate the symptoms by eliminating a couple of ingredients from their diet (it's not 'cured' but the pain and joint destruction goes away, so there is no need for drugs).

I know it sounds like homeopathy, but it's very well documented in a good medical journals. It might be worth asking your mother to try it for a week, as it seems to improve that fast :-) (obviously in conjunction with her doctor)

Check this out: https://youtu.be/pAxygdQbY34



There are all kinds of things that help in the early stages of RA. Its a few decades too late for that. There's nothing that regrows and repairs your joints other than having them replaced. If I were to come down with RA today myself, I wouldn't even worry about it with what we know and the treatments available that slow down the progress of the disease to essentially a halt. But once the damage is done, it's done.
 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 18:35 Cutter
 
Inflamation is a major cause of most illnesses we suffer. And yes, it's mostly related to diet. It's like doctors have always said, eat right and excercise and that eliminates most of the problems right there.

In a period of 6 weeks with my stopping eating junk/fast food and drinking booze all my numbers have increased for the better drastically. Triglycerides went from 15 to 4, bad hdl cut by 50%(which wasn't too bad for me anyway), good hdl increased by 25%, salt and sugar levels all about 50% lower too. And I also lost 20 pounds. That's almost diet alone solely....6 weeks. I've been walking but haven't even begun a workout regimen yet and the diet will keep improving so everything else will be improving as well. Like they always say, the body is constantly trying to heal itself. It's amazing how well it can actually do that when you give it a hand.
 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 18:15 Hoop
 
As the irish would say your cold was one turd in length.
Not two turds.
Not three turds.
One turd.
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 17:52 bigspender
 
NKD wrote on Oct 15, 2017, 17:05:
My mother is a rheumatoid arthritis sufferer, and has been since she was in her early 20s. At her current age, the RA has done basically all the damage it can do to her joints, and the only avenues left are pain management and joint replacements. She's been on oxycodone for a long, long time. She takes a lot, but she hasn't upped her dose in years.

Every few months she calls me with some new horror story about how junkies are making it harder for her to get her prescriptions filled, or some new hoop she has to jump through. It took her YEARS to get in with a different primary care doctor (she hated her then-current one because he was a prick) because almost none of them were comfortable taking on a patient who needed a lot of opioid pain meds.

Granted, she is an outlier. Most people get RA later in life and kick it from old age long before they suffer as much damage as she has. She's still got quite a few years left, hopefully, and the oxycodone is the only thing that keeps her functioning.

My point is, junkies gonna junk. Don't ruin things for people who have legitimate pain management needs just to try and stick it to big pharma. There are very few options for severe chronic pain, and all of them are abusable by junkies. Doctors should not be made to feel they are risking their license or that they are going to get in trouble for correctly handling someones legitimate pain needs.


Hey dude, I was reading about RA recently, and it seems like most people are able to completely eliminate the symptoms by eliminating a couple of ingredients from their diet (it's not 'cured' but the pain and joint destruction goes away, so there is no need for drugs).

I know it sounds like homeopathy, but it's very well documented in a good medical journals. It might be worth asking your mother to try it for a week, as it seems to improve that fast :-) (obviously in conjunction with her doctor)

Check this out: https://youtu.be/pAxygdQbY34


 
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 15, 2017, 17:05 NKD
 
My mother is a rheumatoid arthritis sufferer, and has been since she was in her early 20s. At her current age, the RA has done basically all the damage it can do to her joints, and the only avenues left are pain management and joint replacements. She's been on oxycodone for a long, long time. She takes a lot, but she hasn't upped her dose in years.

Every few months she calls me with some new horror story about how junkies are making it harder for her to get her prescriptions filled, or some new hoop she has to jump through. It took her YEARS to get in with a different primary care doctor (she hated her then-current one because he was a prick) because almost none of them were comfortable taking on a patient who needed a lot of opioid pain meds.

Granted, she is an outlier. Most people get RA later in life and kick it from old age long before they suffer as much damage as she has. She's still got quite a few years left, hopefully, and the oxycodone is the only thing that keeps her functioning.

My point is, junkies gonna junk. Don't ruin things for people who have legitimate pain management needs just to try and stick it to big pharma. There are very few options for severe chronic pain, and all of them are abusable by junkies. Doctors should not be made to feel they are risking their license or that they are going to get in trouble for correctly handling someones legitimate pain needs.
 
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