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13. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 15:06 Verno
 
Quboid wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 11:18:
I've always felt collectable card games were a scam, so the comparison doesn't make loot boxes sound any better to me.

Haha of course. Just even the surface argument is ludicrous.

Put in your real life currency. Pull lever. Flashy Lights. A randomized "reward" pops out that will likely be nowhere near the value of the currency you input. What does that sound like to everyone else?

I would hate to be the ESRB guy who has to defend this shit with a straight face. Listen guys this thing that looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is totally not a fucking duck. Also give us money and keep hitting the spinny wheel.
 
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12. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 11:18 Quboid
 
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 08:39:
theglaze wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 02:12:
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..

Oh come on, it is clearly GAMBLING. Giving voice to their lame excuse just makes you as bad as them. It has been and always will be gambling.

I've always felt collectable card games were a scam, so the comparison doesn't make loot boxes sound any better to me. Paying money to have a random chance of winning prizes is gambling and no, "winning" "prizes" worth less than the cost of entry isn't winning. Is that different to a lottery where matching 0 numbers wins you $0.01?

If anyone will crack down on this, it'll probably be the EU. Although China tried, and apparently they couldn't even get a law to stick.
 
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11. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 10:05 Suppa7
 
Ozmodan wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 08:39:
Oh come on, it is clearly GAMBLING. Giving voice to their lame excuse just makes you as bad as them. It has been and always will be gambling.

You're talking to the same set of gamers who defended steam and mmo's, gamers are a stupid bunch. These lootboxes exist because of the theft of game software. People bought server locked games because they are much too stupid and irrational to comprehend the consequences.
 
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10. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 09:51 Creston
 
Verno wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 08:49:
Also when have publishers ever exercised moderation? You guys know where this is headed. Defend it now to your own chagrin later on.

This is the Diablo 3 corollary.

I think the ESRB has little say in this matter, since they have absolutely zero legislative capability. This will need to be addressed by Congress / the pertinent gambling commissions. And the publishers will just write a $12 check to either one of those collections of critters, after which loot boxes will be declared "AN ESSENTIAL NECESSITY OF LIFE!"
 
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9. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 08:49 Verno
 
theglaze wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 02:12:
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..

It's a game of chance for real money and that doesn't cut it. At the very minimum they need to publish the odds and be regulated like similar industries. The idea that "oh well you got something no matter what" doesn't resonate with me. Did you get exactly your cash in value? No? Ok then we're still gambling. There's no reason the gaming industry should be less regulated than your county fair raffle for fucks sake.

Also when have publishers ever exercised moderation? You guys know where this is headed. Defend it now to your own chagrin later on.
 
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8. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 08:42 Darks
 
Myself and a boat load of others have all given ourselves a billion silver in Shadows of War.

I can tell you now, that not one of those 200 plus boxes I've open has amounted into anything worth a shit.

So, yea save your money and dont buy that scheming bullshit.
 
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7. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 08:39 Ozmodan
 
theglaze wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 02:12:
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..

Oh come on, it is clearly GAMBLING. Giving voice to their lame excuse just makes you as bad as them. It has been and always will be gambling.
 
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6. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 08:12 Wallshadows
 
The European PEGI system is more or less in the same boat and says consumers should push the gambling commissions rather than the rating boards in regards to loot boxes.

In short, our approach is similar to that of ESRB (I think all rating boards do, USK in Germany as well). The main reason for this is that we cannot define what constitutes gambling. That is the responsibility of a national gambling commission. Our gambling content descriptor is given to games that simulate or teach gambling as it’s done in real life in casinos, racetracks, etc. If a gambling commission would state that loot boxes are a form of gambling, then we would have to adjust our criteria to that.
 
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5. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 05:40 Qbex .
 
theglaze wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 02:12:
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..

Except you can do jack shit with unwanted in-game loot, unlike physical collector card that you can trade with the other schmuck for something of value to you. This new trend is as sleazy money-grab as you can get. First "games as a service", dlc's , season passes and "complete editions" for >120$ and now lootboxes. How low they can go with it I wonder...
 
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4. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 03:06 NKD
 
theglaze wrote on Oct 12, 2017, 02:12:
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..


Yeah that does makes some sense now that I think about it.
 
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3. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 02:12 theglaze
 
“While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a pack of cards you already have.”

I hate to say it, but that makes sense to me..
 
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2. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 12, 2017, 00:27 ViRGE
 
They may drag their feet on this for now, however in the long run I don't see how regulators don't crack down on this if publishers keep this up. So the ESRB will eventually have to do something to avoid regulation.  
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1. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Oct 11, 2017, 20:47 jdreyer
 
Of course they would say that.  
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