There was lots of arguing within our guild, but in the end the whales who had contributed the most had the final say, and we refunded our three completionist packages, originally purchased at $15k each, so $45k total refund. We sidelined many other great games and commercial opportunities waiting for Star Citizen, but in the end we can't wait any longer, and a new generation is joining also who have absolutely no interest. The final straw was evidence presented the committee of Chris Roberts blatantly lying, we don't mind the delays but couldn't handle the lies anymore, and it left us wondering what else he is knowingly lying about.
It was a nightmare getting the refund, we are a commercial org and pooled the money to buy the completionist packages, and used a corporate card to buy them, so we had major issues with getting refunded to the same card, paypal and then providing ID. Total it took about 5 weeks to get sorted. A lot of time was spent trying to explain the situation to some woman called "Schala" and just getting the same answers copied and pasted backwards and forwards, they definitely try to delay you as much as possible in the hope you'll forget or give up.
I prefer to remain anonymous as the guild can easily be linked back to my personal identity, and we all know how insane and potentially dangerous the few remaining Star Citizen believers can be. I'll put some juicy screenshots below however.
Thanks for all your help here guys, we couldn't have done it without the support and guidance of this subreddit.
http://i.imgur.com/A6LPw2J.png
http://i.imgur.com/akl5AOr.png
Prez wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 02:50:
In all likelihood this project is going to implode when all the money dries up. BUT...
What if? What if it actually makes it out someday and is awesome? I still kind of hope that something wonderful comes out of this eventually. If it does end up failing miles before the finish line as virtually everyone here predicts I lose nothing and gained a whole lot of entertainment along the way. But I still have the tiniest hope it will see the light of day - the pre-Alpha footage has looked incredible thus far.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 10:59:RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews
More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 10:59:No pedestal used, this time the public and critic scores are the same.RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews
More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 08:42:Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:50:Well, I never actually saw Warhorse so I can't legitimately compare the two. However, I will say I went into AI with very low expectations and while it wasn't particularly good, it wasn't nearly as bad as I feared it would be.
Well, it's only slightly better than "A.I. Artificial Intelligence"; a fusion of Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's styles that doesn't quite work.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:50:Well, I never actually saw Warhorse so I can't legitimately compare the two. However, I will say I went into AI with very low expectations and while it wasn't particularly good, it wasn't nearly as bad as I feared it would be.
Well, it's only slightly better than "A.I. Artificial Intelligence"; a fusion of Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's styles that doesn't quite work.
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:15:jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:58:Yeah, but we wish he hadn't...Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:Haha! Nice analogy Kx.
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Hey, at least Spielberg finished Warhorse.
jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:59:
Yeah, Occam's razor: Which is more likely, some idiots pooled $45K, or some dude faked it and posted it on Reddit?
jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:58:Yeah, but we wish he hadn't...Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:Haha! Nice analogy Kx.
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Hey, at least Spielberg finished Warhorse.
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:43:Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 11:58:I guess I was correct to be skeptical. What a shock.
The page refresh video is reasonably convincing, still could be faked though.
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:Haha! Nice analogy Kx.
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:39:eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:25:Wait, you mean like i called it in the first post.
So turns out the refund story was fakenews
“the account in question was issued an individual refund of $330, not the $45,000 claimed”
Derek Smart is trying to spin this like a coked up Breitbart intern caught buggering Steve Bannon on live TV. sad
https://twitter.com/dsmart?lang=en
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 11:58:I guess I was correct to be skeptical. What a shock.
The page refresh video is reasonably convincing, still could be faked though.
Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:Haha! Nice analogy Kx.
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Overon wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:15:
What is specifically the blatant example of Chris Roberts lying?
We sidelined many other great games and commercial opportunities waiting for Star Citizen, but in the end we can't wait any longer, and a new generation is joining also who have absolutely no interest.
VoodooV wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:38:Angrius Maximis wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:29:
well hate him or not at least Derek Smart actually releases games
Wing Commander, Wing Commander 2, Strike Commander, Privateer, Wing Commander 3, Wing Commander 4, Starlancer, Freelancer, and other games would all like to disagree with that. They're certainly more successful and iconic than anything DS sat on a toilet for.