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$45K Star Citizen Refund?

A post to reddit in a sub-reddit called Star Citizen Refunds claims what seems like it must be the largest game refund in history (thanks Rollory). This says a corporate entity secured a refund for three Star Citizen "Completionist" packages originally purchased for $15,000 each, making the grand total for their refund $45,000. Here's the story:

There was lots of arguing within our guild, but in the end the whales who had contributed the most had the final say, and we refunded our three completionist packages, originally purchased at $15k each, so $45k total refund. We sidelined many other great games and commercial opportunities waiting for Star Citizen, but in the end we can't wait any longer, and a new generation is joining also who have absolutely no interest. The final straw was evidence presented the committee of Chris Roberts blatantly lying, we don't mind the delays but couldn't handle the lies anymore, and it left us wondering what else he is knowingly lying about.

It was a nightmare getting the refund, we are a commercial org and pooled the money to buy the completionist packages, and used a corporate card to buy them, so we had major issues with getting refunded to the same card, paypal and then providing ID. Total it took about 5 weeks to get sorted. A lot of time was spent trying to explain the situation to some woman called "Schala" and just getting the same answers copied and pasted backwards and forwards, they definitely try to delay you as much as possible in the hope you'll forget or give up.

I prefer to remain anonymous as the guild can easily be linked back to my personal identity, and we all know how insane and potentially dangerous the few remaining Star Citizen believers can be. I'll put some juicy screenshots below however.

Thanks for all your help here guys, we couldn't have done it without the support and guidance of this subreddit.

http://i.imgur.com/A6LPw2J.png
http://i.imgur.com/akl5AOr.png

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74. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 16, 2017, 11:47 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Sep 16, 2017, 01:50:
Sure looks great though.

It does, no doubt. Will they ever get around to finishing it? That's my question.
 
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73. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 16, 2017, 01:50 Prez
 
Sure looks great though.  
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72. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 13:35 jdreyer
 
Prez wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 02:50:
In all likelihood this project is going to implode when all the money dries up. BUT...

What if? What if it actually makes it out someday and is awesome? I still kind of hope that something wonderful comes out of this eventually. If it does end up failing miles before the finish line as virtually everyone here predicts I lose nothing and gained a whole lot of entertainment along the way. But I still have the tiniest hope it will see the light of day - the pre-Alpha footage has looked incredible thus far.

A couple of years ago, I mentioned on this site that although 100 systems were promised, we'll be lucky to get 10. And I said at the time, that would probably be fine, as long as each system was detailed enough.

I'm going to have to revise that now. We'll get one system. One. This one. And that will be all. Which, if it's detailed enough, might be fine for my purposes. I'll probably only put 20 or so hours into the MMO part.
 
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71. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 11:58 Beamer
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 10:59:
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews

More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.

It depends if you view like critics, who have a more academic and professional view, and a wide knowledge to compare to, or fans, who seem to think transformers are watchable.
 
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70. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 11:34 RedEye9
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 10:59:
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews

More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.
No pedestal used, this time the public and critic scores are the same.
 
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69. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 10:59 Kxmode
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 09:05:
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews

More often than not a critic's view of a film doesn't gel with the general public. I wouldn't put them on a pedestal.
 
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68. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 09:05 RedEye9
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 08:42:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:50:
Well, it's only slightly better than "A.I. Artificial Intelligence"; a fusion of Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's styles that doesn't quite work.
Well, I never actually saw Warhorse so I can't legitimately compare the two. However, I will say I went into AI with very low expectations and while it wasn't particularly good, it wasn't nearly as bad as I feared it would be.
Both AI and Warhorse rank about the same, with Warhorse leading by a point or two. And the critics and audience scores are close.
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/artificial-intelligence-ai/critic-reviews
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/war-horse/critic-reviews
 
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67. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 08:42 Mr. Tact
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:50:
Well, it's only slightly better than "A.I. Artificial Intelligence"; a fusion of Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's styles that doesn't quite work.
Well, I never actually saw Warhorse so I can't legitimately compare the two. However, I will say I went into AI with very low expectations and while it wasn't particularly good, it wasn't nearly as bad as I feared it would be.
 
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66. Re: Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 02:50 Prez
 
In all likelihood this project is going to implode when all the money dries up. BUT...

What if? What if it actually makes it out someday and is awesome? I still kind of hope that something wonderful comes out of this eventually. If it does end up failing miles before the finish line as virtually everyone here predicts I lose nothing and gained a whole lot of entertainment along the way. But I still have the tiniest hope it will see the light of day - the pre-Alpha footage has looked incredible thus far.
 
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65. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 00:50 Kxmode
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 15, 2017, 00:15:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:58:
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Haha! Nice analogy Kx.

Hey, at least Spielberg finished Warhorse.
Yeah, but we wish he hadn't...

Well, it's only slightly better than "A.I. Artificial Intelligence"; a fusion of Steven Spielberg and Stanley Kubrick's styles that doesn't quite work.
 
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64. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 00:47 Kxmode
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:59:
Yeah, Occam's razor: Which is more likely, some idiots pooled $45K, or some dude faked it and posted it on Reddit?

It's really easy to add, remove, and edit ANYTHING on a page with the Inspector tool.
 
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63. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 15, 2017, 00:15 Mr. Tact
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 23:58:
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Haha! Nice analogy Kx.

Hey, at least Spielberg finished Warhorse.
Yeah, but we wish he hadn't...
 
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62. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 23:59 jdreyer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:43:
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 11:58:
The page refresh video is reasonably convincing, still could be faked though.
I guess I was correct to be skeptical. What a shock.

Yeah, Occam's razor: Which is more likely, some idiots pooled $45K, or some dude faked it and posted it on Reddit?
 
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61. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 23:58 jdreyer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 20:40:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Haha! Nice analogy Kx.

Hey, at least Spielberg finished Warhorse.
 
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60. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? (it was fake ~.~) Sep 14, 2017, 20:46 Kxmode
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:39:
eRe4s3r wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:25:
So turns out the refund story was fakenews
Wait, you mean like i called it in the first post.

“the account in question was issued an individual refund of $330, not the $45,000 claimed”

Derek Smart is trying to spin this like a coked up Breitbart intern caught buggering Steve Bannon on live TV. sad
https://twitter.com/dsmart?lang=en

Derek's noise about Star Citizen has been helpful, but he is his own brand of crazy.
 
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59. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 20:43 Mr. Tact
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 11:58:
The page refresh video is reasonably convincing, still could be faked though.
I guess I was correct to be skeptical. What a shock.
 
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58. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 20:40 Mr. Tact
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 14:38:
Imagine this. You being a money person, Steven Spielberg came to you and pitched a movie about horses during World War 2. Given his history with this genre, you jump at the chance. Then you see "Warhorse, " and you regret the decision. Star Citizen is Chris Roberts' "Warhorse."
Haha! Nice analogy Kx.
 
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57. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 20:34 Kxmode
 
Overon wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 17:15:
What is specifically the blatant example of Chris Roberts lying?


I made Chris' lies a core reason when requesting a refund. https://pastebin.com/mSM29KZs

 
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56. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund? Sep 14, 2017, 19:11 Tumbler
 
They bought three $15k packages? Sounds pretty far fetched...

We sidelined many other great games and commercial opportunities waiting for Star Citizen, but in the end we can't wait any longer, and a new generation is joining also who have absolutely no interest.

This sounds like bullshit. What kind of guild pools money to buy games? What was the plan back in 2012? Hey guys, let's put all our future games money into this game and just wait... What have you been doing for the past 5 years!? Don't you just buy the game as yourself then you play it with your guild? Who pools money to buy games in large guilds?

This is probably bullshit.
 
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55. Re: $45K Star Citizen Refund Sep 14, 2017, 18:33 The Half Elf
 
VoodooV wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:38:
Angrius Maximis wrote on Sep 14, 2017, 12:29:
well hate him or not at least Derek Smart actually releases games

Wing Commander, Wing Commander 2, Strike Commander, Privateer, Wing Commander 3, Wing Commander 4, Starlancer, Freelancer, and other games would all like to disagree with that. They're certainly more successful and iconic than anything DS sat on a toilet for.

Two things missing from that. 1) Chris Roberts was on a leash with EA holding it, then Microsoft with the last two games, to make sure the development was on track. Secondly if I'm not mistaken Chris Roberts was removed from the last two projects.
 
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