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Monologue: I Am a Successful Streamer and I Believe Racial Slurs Are Essential to Gaming - McSweeney’s Internet Tendency (Satirical).
"Gamers such as myself often come across heated, high-stress gaming moments. Sometimes, I’ll be leaning back in my padded gaming chair playing Call of Duty and a player on the opposing side will shoot me. This is a perfect time to state something racist with impunity. I am angry at being shot by the other player. I of course don’t mean the racist comment in a hateful way. I’m simply using racist language to publicly express my frustration at being killed in a fictional game that doesn’t matter at all. In these moments, gamers should not be held to the standards of a civil society. It’s not like I say racist stuff outside of gaming. Just because I constantly make racist comments on video does not mean I make racist comments off-camera. I am able to stop being racist once the live stream is over."

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59. Re: Op Ed Sep 14, 2017, 03:12 jdreyer
 
Slashman wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:08:
Cutter wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 15:41:
The problem isn't the casual racism it's the SJWs with their massive overreactions to it. Even when people are simply accused of something they lose their shit. Look at that story a few weeks back where that asshole on Twitter who felt it was his personal mission to "out" racists they ended up blaming an innocent man. They were calling his house and making death threats to his wife and kids FFS! And these assholes aren't even a minority! They are just look for reasons to go off and they don't care who gets hurt or how extreme their overreactions are and that makes them way more dangerous and way worse than the so-called bigots and racists they're opposing. Hitch up your fucking panties and stop throwing hissy fits over every little thing - especially when it doesn't even apply to you. Fuck, go end poverty or something actually worthwhile.

You tell em Cutter. Most people these days don't even understand how harmless casual racism is. At least compared to the ultra-hardcore kind.

Hell I didn't even know what the hell casual racism was until you made it clear. And I sure as hell don't know what offends me. I've only been black for like 42 years or so. Totally need a clear-headed white person to sort out my thoughts for me.

But while we're on the subject, you wanna explain to me why the 'casual racists' (especially the ones raking in millions) need defending while the 'more serious racists' need condemning?

Obviously, the 'more serious racists' AKA raceaholics, are a menace to society. They imbibe way too much racism and are a danger to others. 'Casual racists' on the other hand, are only racists socially, and only imbibe racism when others are around at, say, parties and such. So the amount of racism is limited.

Does that help?
 
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58. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 20:52 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 09:16:
Quboid wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 09:03:
what happened to GamerTics?

This is one of the things I never understand about the "ethics in journalism" people: they trust sites more the smaller they are. Similar to conspiracy theorists, actually - the fewer people that know about something the more accurate it is, to them.

But in media, that's objectively wrong. While size isn't a guarantee, smaller sources are less likely to be accurate and reliable ones. In a large media organization:

* The relationship to the consumer is understood, and they know that losing trust means an end, so the trust of the audience is always in the front of their minds (even if they choose not to listen, it's there)

* The organization is big enough to have an editorial staff and business operations, with little contact needed between

* There's internal accountability. To shareholders, but more to other employees. If someone does something sketchy, everyone sees it. Not only does this make it more likely to be leaked, but it's less likely to happen, as people feel that they'd let their peers down, or they simply feel they're more likely to be caught or called out

* There are resources. Resources to find news, to contact people, and to do some element of investigation, though the resources are usually far too thin to do much of that at all

I mean, compare to a small shop. It's usually run by people with no real knowledge of media and how the consumer views it, it's one to three people running the entire thing and constantly in contact, there's no accountability because everything is somewhat independent - usually not even in the same city, making shadiness easy to hide, and there are absolutely no resources to do much of anything.

Yet, somehow, they're the reliable ones.
It's fascinating that studies show that when you use logic and details to refute conspiracy theories, that hardens the listener's belief in said theory.
 
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57. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 09:16 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 09:03:
what happened to GamerTics?

This is one of the things I never understand about the "ethics in journalism" people: they trust sites more the smaller they are. Similar to conspiracy theorists, actually - the fewer people that know about something the more accurate it is, to them.

But in media, that's objectively wrong. While size isn't a guarantee, smaller sources are less likely to be accurate and reliable ones. In a large media organization:

* The relationship to the consumer is understood, and they know that losing trust means an end, so the trust of the audience is always in the front of their minds (even if they choose not to listen, it's there)

* The organization is big enough to have an editorial staff and business operations, with little contact needed between

* There's internal accountability. To shareholders, but more to other employees. If someone does something sketchy, everyone sees it. Not only does this make it more likely to be leaked, but it's less likely to happen, as people feel that they'd let their peers down, or they simply feel they're more likely to be caught or called out

* There are resources. Resources to find news, to contact people, and to do some element of investigation, though the resources are usually far too thin to do much of that at all

I mean, compare to a small shop. It's usually run by people with no real knowledge of media and how the consumer views it, it's one to three people running the entire thing and constantly in contact, there's no accountability because everything is somewhat independent - usually not even in the same city, making shadiness easy to hide, and there are absolutely no resources to do much of anything.

Yet, somehow, they're the reliable ones.
 
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56. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 09:03 Quboid
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 04:32:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 03:24:
Quboid wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 23:28:
This is what happens when you're the sort of person who gets their information from those race realists at the Daily Stormer.

Seriously. This guy literally used an actual neo-Nazi website's "why we're totally not racist" page as his justification, and they used similar "logic" as we see here. Right there below navigation links like "The Jewish Problem", why anti-racism activists are the real racists.

Sorry, having a problem differentiating between the two. Different sides, same coin except that neo-nazi is actually open instead of hiding everything under the bigotry of low expectations. Getting 50pts knocked off admission to a university because of your race is as much bullshit as being give 250pts for your race to get you into it.

Why aren't those black people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps already?

Pointing out that racism affects people - literally worse than the Nazis, according to Mashiki. Because at least Nazis are honest. Advocating for rape porn was a relative high point for him.

Hey Mashiki, what happened to GamerTics? You were so sure that gaming/politics site was trustworthy, yet it all but stopped posting on the 9th Nov. Were you gullible, or were you in on the scam?
 
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55. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 07:35 Beamer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 23:00:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:51:

Also, SJWs are the real racists, amirite?

At least the "race realist" is going to tell me they're a "race realist." A SJW is too busy telling the black they're too stupid and need special handouts to succeed in society, while talking over them. And telling the asians they're too smart so they need to be penalized. While proclaiming they're really not as bad, but worse then the opposition they claim to oppose.

It's amazing that you think this. You're actually doing an "SJWs are the real racists" after someone made a joke about that strawman.

Whats great is you mentioning last week you may end up on disability. Not seeing the huge irony of a diehard libertarian who thinks everyone on government aid is a lazy loser leech considering it.
 
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54. Re: Op Ed Sep 13, 2017, 04:32 jdreyer
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 13, 2017, 03:24:
Quboid wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 23:28:
This is what happens when you're the sort of person who gets their information from those race realists at the Daily Stormer.

Seriously. This guy literally used an actual neo-Nazi website's "why we're totally not racist" page as his justification, and they used similar "logic" as we see here. Right there below navigation links like "The Jewish Problem", why anti-racism activists are the real racists.

Sorry, having a problem differentiating between the two. Different sides, same coin except that neo-nazi is actually open instead of hiding everything under the bigotry of low expectations. Getting 50pts knocked off admission to a university because of your race is as much bullshit as being give 250pts for your race to get you into it.

Why aren't those black people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps already?
 
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53. No subject Sep 13, 2017, 03:24 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 23:28:
This is what happens when you're the sort of person who gets their information from those race realists at the Daily Stormer.

Seriously. This guy literally used an actual neo-Nazi website's "why we're totally not racist" page as his justification, and they used similar "logic" as we see here. Right there below navigation links like "The Jewish Problem", why anti-racism activists are the real racists.

Sorry, having a problem differentiating between the two. Different sides, same coin except that neo-nazi is actually open instead of hiding everything under the bigotry of low expectations. Getting 50pts knocked off admission to a university because of your race is as much bullshit as being give 250pts for your race to get you into it.
 
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52. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 23:28 Quboid
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 23:00:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:51:

Also, SJWs are the real racists, amirite?

At least the "race realist" is going to tell me they're a "race realist." A SJW is too busy telling the black they're too stupid and need special handouts to succeed in society, while talking over them. And telling the asians they're too smart so they need to be penalized. While proclaiming they're really not as bad, but worse then the opposition they claim to oppose.

This is what happens when you're the sort of person who gets their information from those race realists at the Daily Stormer.

Seriously. This guy literally used an actual neo-Nazi website's "why we're totally not racist" page as his justification, and they used similar "logic" as we see here. Right there below navigation links like "The Jewish Problem", why anti-racism activists are the real racists.
 
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51. No subject Sep 12, 2017, 23:00 Mashiki Amiketo
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:51:

Also, SJWs are the real racists, amirite?

At least the "race realist" is going to tell me they're a "race realist." A SJW is too busy telling the black they're too stupid and need special handouts to succeed in society, while talking over them. And telling the asians they're too smart so they need to be penalized. While proclaiming they're really not as bad, but worse then the opposition they claim to oppose.
 
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50. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 22:50 NKD
 
If you don't wanna get dogpiled on for a mildly racist comment, don't do it in a place where millions of people are going to hear it. There's literally nothing that can prevent that reaction.  
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49. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 22:11 Flatline
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 21:54:
He obviously did something very stupid for someone in his position, but I don't think it's as simple as blanket "racism".

You know how many times I just casually drop the n-bomb when I'm frustrated?

Zero.

It's part of a growing trend of evidence that shows that he's pretty casual about some really terrible, violent, racist, sexist ideas.

I mean, it's not a *huge* surprise, but the guy does make a living off of being a public figure, and thus is opening himself up to public approval or disapproval. When it's public approval it's fine, when it's disapproval suddenly there's an issue.
 
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48. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 21:54 Mordecai Walfish
 
He's a product of his time. Many people feel comfortable interchanging that word with "asshole",and the trend is to go as extreme as possible. Instead of winning against opponents, players say they "rape" them. Things went from being cool and groovy to everything needing to be "epic". It's like mass linguistic hyperbole. When you're a part of the generation that grew up with Xbox live and similar services, and can hear people spewing that language all day long in video games, and then buy the latest single or album that's topping the charts and hear that word a hundred times through it, it's going to effect people in different ways. How much did their parents spend time with them vs letting them sit and play on Xbox live and listen to toxic language all day long? This things permeate the psyche of young people whether they are racist or not, and this is a very non-black-or-white (pun unintended) subject that deserves to be looked at more closely if the first thing that pops in people's minds is "condemnation" when you hear a seemingly normal adult use language like that. It does not mean they are racist, but there will be an army of people there to mediately convince the world otherwise. I know a guy that uses that word to describe humanity in general. It's strange times we live in, for sure.. but throwing around labels on people simply because they do things you dislike or wouldn't do personally, is an diversion from the conversation that people should be having about the core issues at hand regarding this subject, IMO. I have no love for PewDiePie and don't wish to make any excuses for him or others. He obviously did something very stupid for someone in his position, but I don't think it's as simple as blanket "racism".  
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47. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 21:10 Prez
 
Colin Kaepernick comes close to being a real American hero.

Huh
 
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46. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 21:07 RedEye9
 
bigspender wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 20:48:
When I play Chess with my grandma, I call her a filthy whore every time I lose a piece. It's just a heat-of-moment thing. It's her fault if she gets offended. /sarcasm
Nothing but a Freudian slip.
 
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45. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 21:00 Jivaro
 
bigspender wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 20:48:
When I play Chess with my grandma, I call her a filthy whore every time I lose a piece. It's just a heat-of-moment thing. It's her fault if she gets offended. /sarcasm

I can respect that though...I mean you are telling it to her face.

Most of these folks talk shit behind a keyboard and/or a mic but when you see them doing face to face interviews they tend to take the intensity down quite a few notches. PDP and many others get caught up in their own hype or schtick. Just like any other celebrity, if you fall for your own image you can get pretty wrapped up in that rather than the reality of who you are....and many of these streaming folks seem a bit immature and/or young to already be shedding off their real personality for an online persona that they get adoration and money from. Reality will come down like a pile of bricks on their head when the audience finally tires of them. Nearly every celebrity that has had the luxury (or curse?) of young fame has had to go through a fairly public and embarrassing growing up period. Sometimes it kills their career, sometimes it doesn't. I don't see why streamers would be any different.
 
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44. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 20:48 bigspender
 
When I play Chess with my grandma, I call her a filthy whore every time I lose a piece. It's just a heat-of-moment thing. It's her fault if she gets offended. /sarcasm  
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43. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 20:30 RedEye9
 
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 20:26:
HoSpanky wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 17:27:
Quboid wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 14:19:
VaranDragon wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 13:40:
HoSpanky wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 12:32:
None of you read the article. It's a comedy piece. See that bit there Blue put in (Satire)? You ARE the Facebook crowd, getting bent out of shape because you're too lazy to pay attention.

Or we did read the article and regardless of its satire (or perhaps because of it) it poses interesting questions that maybe should be discussed?

Nearly everyone was talking about PewDiePie, the person being satirised. I think HoSpanky was too lazy to pay attention.

When did I say it wasn't about PDP? Literally every post prior to my first one was about how dumb/wrong the author was, zero of those people read the article before posting, which is Facebook thinking. "I know all I need to from the article title, which I didn't read very clearly". PewDiePie was absolutely the intended "writer" for that article.

Anyway, it's back to the whole Spider-Man catchphrase. People who have a lot of influence really, REALLY need to realize that everything they do can and will be imitated by the kids who adore them. These people need to hold themselves to a higher standard. Fame always comes with that, and these shitheels don't want to change themselves at all despite being role models. I'm lumping professional atheletes in with streamers here, btw. Both behave badly FAR more than they ought to.

HoSpanky I gotta stop you right there and call bullshit. The problem is the entire "well they did it so I did it too!" excuse. And your thinking perpetuates this bullshit notion that people aren't responsible for their choices.
As I said in my first post, EVERYTHING I listed was used as an excuse for problematic behavior (please take in effect the time and how views have changed over the decades from say Radio/Rock n Roll/Elvis to what we have now).

And what about fucktards that are now role models that shouldn't be, like Magic Johnson. Cheated on his wife, got AIDS and then became the fucking spoke person for it.

They are not ROLE MODELS. They never asked to be, they never signed up, people like you are putting titles on them because they are popular. Maybe YOU need to rethink some of the things you say before going off on others.
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42. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 20:26 The Half Elf
 
HoSpanky wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 17:27:
Quboid wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 14:19:
VaranDragon wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 13:40:
HoSpanky wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 12:32:
None of you read the article. It's a comedy piece. See that bit there Blue put in (Satire)? You ARE the Facebook crowd, getting bent out of shape because you're too lazy to pay attention.

Or we did read the article and regardless of its satire (or perhaps because of it) it poses interesting questions that maybe should be discussed?

Nearly everyone was talking about PewDiePie, the person being satirised. I think HoSpanky was too lazy to pay attention.

When did I say it wasn't about PDP? Literally every post prior to my first one was about how dumb/wrong the author was, zero of those people read the article before posting, which is Facebook thinking. "I know all I need to from the article title, which I didn't read very clearly". PewDiePie was absolutely the intended "writer" for that article.

Anyway, it's back to the whole Spider-Man catchphrase. People who have a lot of influence really, REALLY need to realize that everything they do can and will be imitated by the kids who adore them. These people need to hold themselves to a higher standard. Fame always comes with that, and these shitheels don't want to change themselves at all despite being role models. I'm lumping professional atheletes in with streamers here, btw. Both behave badly FAR more than they ought to.

HoSpanky I gotta stop you right there and call bullshit. The problem is the entire "well they did it so I did it too!" excuse. And your thinking perpetuates this bullshit notion that people aren't responsible for their choices.
As I said in my first post, EVERYTHING I listed was used as an excuse for problematic behavior (please take in effect the time and how views have changed over the decades from say Radio/Rock n Roll/Elvis to what we have now).

And what about fucktards that are now role models that shouldn't be, like Magic Johnson. Cheated on his wife, got AIDS and then became the fucking spoke person for it.

They are not ROLE MODELS. They never asked to be, they never signed up, people like you are putting titles on them because they are popular. Maybe YOU need to rethink some of the things you say before going off on others.
 
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41. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 20:12 Prez
 
This shit goes on everyday playing Overwatch, and presumably in every online game. So I'm kind of numb to it. But I'm certainly not, as a laid-back white guy, going to tell someone else that they shouldn't be offended by it. It is used as an insult - the way Felix used it interchangeably with the word "asshole" is a perfect example. Again it doesn't bother me in the least, as the internet is the internet and I'm used to it, but I gotta say, as the most-watched streamer in the fucking world I just don't get how he could be be so fucking stupid as to call someone that as an insult on live stream. This isn't the 1960's - shit you say when you're a celebrity will always come back to bite you. I'm not offended by his racist comment, and I tend to think he isn't racist so much as just stupid, but if he ends up losing his channel over the stupid shit he's been doing recently it will serve him right.

As far as the article, I get what the writer is satirically saying, but in all seriousness people do need to learn a little self-control and discretion, online or in real life. Said jokingly is one thing; said in anger means you're an asshole. In my estimation, anyway. It's never going to stop, but maybe idiot streamers can be just a bit smarter?

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40. Re: Op Ed Sep 12, 2017, 18:51 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:14:
Slashman wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 18:08:
Cutter wrote on Sep 12, 2017, 15:41:
The problem isn't the casual racism it's the SJWs with their massive overreactions to it. Even when people are simply accused of something they lose their shit. Look at that story a few weeks back where that asshole on Twitter who felt it was his personal mission to "out" racists they ended up blaming an innocent man. They were calling his house and making death threats to his wife and kids FFS! And these assholes aren't even a minority! They are just look for reasons to go off and they don't care who gets hurt or how extreme their overreactions are and that makes them way more dangerous and way worse than the so-called bigots and racists they're opposing. Hitch up your fucking panties and stop throwing hissy fits over every little thing - especially when it doesn't even apply to you. Fuck, go end poverty or something actually worthwhile.

You tell em Cutter. Most people these days don't even understand how harmless casual racism is. At least compared to the ultra-hardcore kind.

Hell I didn't even know what the hell casual racism was until you made it clear. And I sure as hell don't know what offends me. I've only been black for like 42 years or so. Totally need a clear-headed white person to sort out my thoughts for me.

But while we're on the subject, you wanna explain to me why the 'casual racists' (especially the ones raking in millions) need defending while the 'more serious racists' need condemning?

Hey buddy, listen, the problem isn't people being racist, it's people calling people racist. That's where the real harm is. Words are just words, unless they're aimed at a white guy like cutter, then they're seriously offensive.

Also, SJWs are the real racists, amirite?
 
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