Out of the Blue

I'm excited to watch some football today. There is a bit of a complication, as there is a birthday party for our friends the twins, who I've mentioned and shown off in the past. The good news is that it turns out the party begins about now (so we need to get a move on), so there will be time for couch potatoing later. The 11:00 am call for guests seemed a little unusual, at first, but it makes a lot of sense for a pair of four-year-olds.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 11, 2017, 19:12
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Kxmode wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 18:04:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 06:14:
Saturn's gravity at surface is less than Earth due to it being so much less dense. So the gravity well is a non issue. Pressure is also a non issue. Cassini is not designed for reentry and will be destroyed by heat as soon as it breaches the mesosphere. When you hit atmo at 50k mph, you heat up several thousand degrees. This is a problem even on planets with almost no atmo like Mars. Cassini can't take the heat and will be destroyed before pressure has exceeded 0.1 atmo. It will never get far enough to experience 10 or 20 Atmos of pressure in Saturn's lower atmosphere.

Cool beans. Let us hope before it goes out in a blaze of glory it gets plenty of photos.
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 11, 2017, 18:04
Kxmode
 
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Sep 11, 2017, 18:04
 Kxmode
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 06:14:
Saturn's gravity at surface is less than Earth due to it being so much less dense. So the gravity well is a non issue. Pressure is also a non issue. Cassini is not designed for reentry and will be destroyed by heat as soon as it breaches the mesosphere. When you hit atmo at 50k mph, you heat up several thousand degrees. This is a problem even on planets with almost no atmo like Mars. Cassini can't take the heat and will be destroyed before pressure has exceeded 0.1 atmo. It will never get far enough to experience 10 or 20 Atmos of pressure in Saturn's lower atmosphere.

Cool beans. Let us hope before it goes out in a blaze of glory it gets plenty of photos.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 11, 2017, 06:14
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Sep 11, 2017, 06:14
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 04:38:
Creston wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 22:33:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:11:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.

It depends on what you consider "entry." If you're talking about the absolute edge of the clouds, then no, since they're essentially just whisps. The pressure doesn't start until deeper in, and it's going to take Cassini a little while to get down there. But yeah, once the pressure builds, it's not going to last very long.

Quite frankly, I don't think we'll get much, if any, pics from within the cloud parts. It'll be too dark and too much interference for the signal to get back, but hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

I based my statement on what I think gas giants to be. They are massive orbs of pressurized hydrogen gases locked in orbit around a small singularity. The pressure coupled with a gravity well strong enough to form a planetoid shape the size of Saturn is going to rip the spacecraft to bits upon entry. There's also the results of when objects enter the atmosphere at high rates of speed. There's also Saturn's hypersonic bands of weather systems. I could be wrong, but I believe with all that in play that satellite will not last but a few seconds, possibly a few minutes.

Saturn's gravity at surface is less than Earth due to it being so much less dense. So the gravity well is a non issue. Pressure is also a non issue. Cassini is not designed for reentry and will be destroyed by heat as soon as it breaches the mesosphere. When you hit atmo at 50k mph, you heat up several thousand degrees. This is a problem even on planets with almost no atmo like Mars. Cassini can't take the heat and will be destroyed before pressure has exceeded 0.1 atmo. It will never get far enough to experience 10 or 20 Atmos of pressure in Saturn's lower atmosphere.
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Sep 11, 2017, 05:53
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Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 02:16:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 00:59:
He's also staffed his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and practically everyone he appoints has no relevant experience for the position, or has major conflicts of interest.
That's giving him way too much credit. Many of his appointments have been people who directly opposed the agencies they have now been put in charge of or simply have literally no relevant experience..

Scott Pruitt sued the EPA multiple times, opposing regulations they either had or wanted to put in place. He is now the Administrator.

Rick Perry said as a presidential candidate he would eliminate the Energy Department. Now he is in charge of it.

Betsy DeVos' main experience prior to be coming Education secretary was giving her families money to member of the GOP. She famously said, "My family is the largest single contributor of soft money to the national Republican Party. I have decided to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right." She is totally unsuited for the job.

And it goes on and on like that...

Ben Carson, HUD.

Jeff Sessions, Attorney General (couldn't get a Senate confirmation to become a judge, rightly so).

Steve Mnuchin, Sec. of the Treasury. A banker who was hip deep in the mortgage crisis and one of the worst when it came to forced foreclosures...

If it wasn't so sad and damning it would be funny.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 11, 2017, 04:38
Kxmode
 
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Re: Out of the Blue Sep 11, 2017, 04:38
Sep 11, 2017, 04:38
 Kxmode
 
Creston wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 22:33:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:11:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.

It depends on what you consider "entry." If you're talking about the absolute edge of the clouds, then no, since they're essentially just whisps. The pressure doesn't start until deeper in, and it's going to take Cassini a little while to get down there. But yeah, once the pressure builds, it's not going to last very long.

Quite frankly, I don't think we'll get much, if any, pics from within the cloud parts. It'll be too dark and too much interference for the signal to get back, but hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

I based my statement on what I think gas giants to be. They are massive orbs of pressurized hydrogen gases locked in orbit around a small singularity. The pressure coupled with a gravity well strong enough to form a planetoid shape the size of Saturn is going to rip the spacecraft to bits upon entry. There's also the results of when objects enter the atmosphere at high rates of speed. There's also Saturn's hypersonic bands of weather systems. I could be wrong, but I believe with all that in play that satellite will not last but a few seconds, possibly a few minutes.
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Sep 11, 2017, 02:16
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Sep 11, 2017, 02:16
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 11, 2017, 00:59:
He's also staffed his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and practically everyone he appoints has no relevant experience for the position, or has major conflicts of interest.
That's giving him way too much credit. Many of his appointments have been people who directly opposed the agencies they have now been put in charge of or simply have literally no relevant experience..

Scott Pruitt sued the EPA multiple times, opposing regulations they either had or wanted to put in place. He is now the Administrator.

Rick Perry said as a presidential candidate he would eliminate the Energy Department. Now he is in charge of it.

Betsy DeVos' main experience prior to be coming Education secretary was giving her families money to member of the GOP. She famously said, "My family is the largest single contributor of soft money to the national Republican Party. I have decided to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right." She is totally unsuited for the job.

And it goes on and on like that...

Ben Carson, HUD.

Jeff Sessions, Attorney General (couldn't get a Senate confirmation to become a judge, rightly so).

Steve Mnuchin, Sec. of the Treasury. A banker who was hip deep in the mortgage crisis and one of the worst when it came to forced foreclosures...

If it wasn't so sad and damning it would be funny.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 11, 2017, 00:59
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 11, 2017, 00:59
Sep 11, 2017, 00:59
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 23:54:
Yep, there was no good choice really. So, I like you held my nose and voted for HRC. I heard someone say recently, "The Democrats ran the only candidate who could lose to any Republican. The Republicans ran the only candidate which could lose to HRC." Unfortunately, the Republican candidate was not an "established politician". The result was the "protest vote" was enough to carry the day in a polarized public in which, 40% are always going to vote for the D and 40% are always going to vote for the R.

80% of the people who voted for Trump are giving him good marks overall. Their spin would go something like this: "Yeah, he has had some gaffs -- but he is fighting against the establishment politicians and at least is trying to do the things he said he would do."

Which, in part, is true. He is trying to kick out the illegals, he is trying to get his wall built, and he is fighting the established politicians. He has removed some regulations. He pulled out of the Paris climate accords. All of those are big pluses for most Trump voters. However, he also said he would give us better, cheaper health care. He said he wouldn't cut Medicaid or Medicare. He's failed to do the former and attempted to do the latter. He is also seemingly doing his best to start a war with North Korea. Plus a dozen other things I don't have at my fingertips an hour past my normal bed time.

TLDR: Most Trump voters are satisfied with what they have gotten so far, even if they are irked by Trump's behavior.

He's also staffed his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and practically everyone he appoints has no relevant experience for the position, or has major conflicts of interest.

Oh, and the lies... so... many... lies. Remember back when he had no business with Russia, or any deals with Russia, and nobody associated with his campaign had any communications with Russia?

That was back before we knew practically everyone in his campaign were meeting with Russians, and he was working a deal to build a huge skyscraper in Russia.
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Re: Let me ask this...
Sep 10, 2017, 23:54
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Sep 10, 2017, 23:54
 
The Half Elf wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 16:21:
I didn't vote Trump, and didn't want to vote Hillary but I did. She lost, and being open minded I figured "ok let's give him a shot and see what happens, maybe he'll bring something new and different to the table". How I wish I was wrong on the 'new and different' part.

So please I'd like to know (please hold your political bashing for another thread) if ya did vote for him, how you think things are going for the country as a whole, and not just your political views/side.
Yep, there was no good choice really. So, I like you held my nose and voted for HRC. I heard someone say recently, "The Democrats ran the only candidate who could lose to any Republican. The Republicans ran the only candidate which could lose to HRC." Unfortunately, the Republican candidate was not an "established politician". The result was the "protest vote" was enough to carry the day in a polarized public in which, 40% are always going to vote for the D and 40% are always going to vote for the R.

80% of the people who voted for Trump are giving him good marks overall. Their spin would go something like this: "Yeah, he has had some gaffs -- but he is fighting against the establishment politicians and at least is trying to do the things he said he would do."

Which, in part, is true. He is trying to kick out the illegals, he is trying to get his wall built, and he is fighting the established politicians. He has removed some regulations. He pulled out of the Paris climate accords. All of those are big pluses for most Trump voters. However, he also said he would give us better, cheaper health care. He said he wouldn't cut Medicaid or Medicare. He's failed to do the former and attempted to do the latter. He is also seemingly doing his best to start a war with North Korea. Plus a dozen other things I don't have at my fingertips an hour past my normal bed time.

TLDR: Most Trump voters are satisfied with what they have gotten so far, even if they are irked by Trump's behavior.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 23:36
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Sep 10, 2017, 23:36
 
Creston wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 22:33:
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:11:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.

It depends on what you consider "entry." If you're talking about the absolute edge of the clouds, then no, since they're essentially just whisps. The pressure doesn't start until deeper in, and it's going to take Cassini a little while to get down there. But yeah, once the pressure builds, it's not going to last very long.

Quite frankly, I don't think we'll get much, if any, pics from within the cloud parts. It'll be too dark and too much interference for the signal to get back, but hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

i hope it can take a video. would love to see first person view of falling into the cloud tops of a gas giant as its rings glitter in the dark off the planet's shoulder.
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Sep 10, 2017, 22:33
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Sep 10, 2017, 22:33
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:11:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.

It depends on what you consider "entry." If you're talking about the absolute edge of the clouds, then no, since they're essentially just whisps. The pressure doesn't start until deeper in, and it's going to take Cassini a little while to get down there. But yeah, once the pressure builds, it's not going to last very long.

Quite frankly, I don't think we'll get much, if any, pics from within the cloud parts. It'll be too dark and too much interference for the signal to get back, but hopefully I'll be proven wrong.
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Sep 10, 2017, 22:31
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Heads up for everyone interested in Tyranny and the expansion, they're on sale for ~$33 on Steam combined right now. Picked it up for that price, looking forward to playing it soon.
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Sep 10, 2017, 20:42
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jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:22:

I think it'll burn up before getting crushed.
Yep, all burn and no crush.

from the article;
Cassini won’t exactly “crash” into Saturn, because it’s a gaseous planet and there’s no surface to hit. In the last moments, the spacecraft will go into a tumble and lose contact with Earth. Then it will burn up as it plunges through Saturn’s atmosphere. It will disintegrate.
And then nothing will be left.
“It’ll just be vaporized and completely disassociated,” said Maize.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 18:25
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I voted with the 3 million illegal aliens for HRC.
If we could of only had an additional 114,000 alien votes we would have got the electoral win along with the popular landslide. So close.
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Let me ask this...
Sep 10, 2017, 16:21
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Let me ask this... Sep 10, 2017, 16:21
Sep 10, 2017, 16:21
 
I didn't vote Trump, and didn't want to vote Hillary but I did. She lost, and being open minded I figured "ok let's give him a shot and see what happens, maybe he'll bring something new and different to the table". How I wish I was wrong on the 'new and different' part.

So please I'd like to know (please hold your political bashing for another thread) if ya did vote for him, how you think things are going for the country as a whole, and not just your political views/side.
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:31
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jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:00:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 14:26:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 13:09:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 12:45:
I am astonished you found 3 videos on Videosift that arent political bullying.
That site has turned into an extremist echo chamber, its tragic to see.
LOL. I just went there to verify. There were a couple of videos out of the top 20 that we're political, but the vast majority were nonpolitical.

As for the popularity of political videos in general, you may have noticed that we are currently living through a contentious political period.

That most of the popular political videos have a liberal bent, well liberals are simply better at producing viral content. The Daily Show, SNL, Colbert Report, etc, etc, there are simply no conservative equivalents.
Oh so it has some days where there are not over 60% one sided political crap videos? Might be from time to time, I dont visit that site anymore, since I left it because of so much crap like that over the tiniest of things. I want to go there to have fun, to be entertained, not to be confronted with childish political conflicts that already ruin everyones daily life.
But your political orientation is obvious, so I am not surprised you try to defend it.

Again, LOL dude. It's not rocket surgery. Just don't click on the "offending" videos. I don't.

Also, I think if you check your posterior, you may find a piece of wood protruding from it. You may want to pull that out.
I don't think that's a stick stuck where the sun don't shine, Its more like a case of whiny entitled rectal cranial inversion.

Jdreyer, what are u, a commie?

Thanks Obama.
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:22
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:22
 
Kxmode wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:11:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.

I think it'll burn up before getting crushed. But the pics will be the closest and most detailed ones of Saturn ever.
I'm a smoldering volcano of virility. At least, that's what I tell myself.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 15:11
Kxmode
 
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:11
 Kxmode
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 15:02:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.

It's not going to get far. The pressurized hydrogen is going to crush it like a grape within mere seconds of entry.
"The present is a veil between anticipation and horror. Lift the veil... and madness may follow." source
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 15:02
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:02
 
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn

I can't wait to see these pics. Incredible.
I'm a smoldering volcano of virility. At least, that's what I tell myself.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 15:00
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Sep 10, 2017, 15:00
 
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 14:26:
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 13:09:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 12:45:
I am astonished you found 3 videos on Videosift that arent political bullying.
That site has turned into an extremist echo chamber, its tragic to see.
LOL. I just went there to verify. There were a couple of videos out of the top 20 that we're political, but the vast majority were nonpolitical.

As for the popularity of political videos in general, you may have noticed that we are currently living through a contentious political period.

That most of the popular political videos have a liberal bent, well liberals are simply better at producing viral content. The Daily Show, SNL, Colbert Report, etc, etc, there are simply no conservative equivalents.
Oh so it has some days where there are not over 60% one sided political crap videos? Might be from time to time, I dont visit that site anymore, since I left it because of so much crap like that over the tiniest of things. I want to go there to have fun, to be entertained, not to be confronted with childish political conflicts that already ruin everyones daily life.
But your political orientation is obvious, so I am not surprised you try to defend it.

Again, LOL dude. It's not rocket surgery. Just don't click on the "offending" videos. I don't.

Also, I think if you check your posterior, you may find a piece of wood protruding from it. You may want to pull that out.
I'm a smoldering volcano of virility. At least, that's what I tell myself.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Sep 10, 2017, 14:26
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Sep 10, 2017, 14:26
 
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 13:09:
Muscular Beaver wrote on Sep 10, 2017, 12:45:
I am astonished you found 3 videos on Videosift that arent political bullying.
That site has turned into an extremist echo chamber, its tragic to see.
LOL. I just went there to verify. There were a couple of videos out of the top 20 that we're political, but the vast majority were nonpolitical.

As for the popularity of political videos in general, you may have noticed that we are currently living through a contentious political period.

That most of the popular political videos have a liberal bent, well liberals are simply better at producing viral content. The Daily Show, SNL, Colbert Report, etc, etc, there are simply no conservative equivalents.
Oh so it has some days where there are not over 60% one sided political crap videos? Might be from time to time, I dont visit that site anymore, since I left it because of so much crap like that over the tiniest of things. I want to go there to have fun, to be entertained, not to be confronted with childish political conflicts that already ruin everyones daily life.
But your political orientation is obvious, so I am not surprised you try to defend it.
I have given up on waiting for BIS to come back to their senses and do a real ArmA 2 successor.
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