I dunno. I think it's a good game. Best value for a survival game IMO. What I don't like is the rubberbanding effect when fighting dinos.

I really don't see the problem. The release is a month away - isn't the game pretty much finished at this point? You're getting the same game buying it now.

ROFL way to kill your product!

Hire someone with marketing skills before you destroy your studio!!!!

As to 7DTD, whatever floats your boat, but your would not catch me playing any silly zombie game, I just find the premise ludicrous.

They've redone parts of 7D2D they didn't need to. They just really needed to balance what they had and call it a game. What they are working on now, should be known as the follow up 8 Days to Die. Great game, but now I only want to play it when it is finished. Great mods and server support to.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 19:10:

Steven Peeler wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 15:43:
I'm not defending their price jump, but I can probably guess why the price increased and the timing.

They very well could lose their retail shelf space if the digital version is selling below the retail price (and it's not a temporary sale), hence the price jump.

As for the timing, Steam has a policy that you can't put your game on sale within 30 days of a price jump. I'm guessing they want to do a launch discount and their launch is just a little over a month away.

Nice explanation. Thanks.

I didn't know retail shelf space was a thing. I was familiar with the Steam policy.

Steven Peeler wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 15:43:
I'm not defending their price jump, but I can probably guess why the price increased and the timing.

They very well could lose their retail shelf space if the digital version is selling below the retail price (and it's not a temporary sale), hence the price jump.

As for the timing, Steam has a policy that you can't put your game on sale within 30 days of a price jump. I'm guessing they want to do a launch discount and their launch is just a little over a month away.

Nice explanation. Thanks.

Agreed, 7DTD is tons of awesomeness, and leagues beyond Ark (just maybe not in the graphics department, but one of the biggest problems with Ark is the lack of optimization). I can absolutely recommend 7DTD if it even seems remotely up your alley.

Blah blah blah, meaningless internet drama from impatient no-lifers. I've seen way too many instances of someone like that being a complete asshole and spewing toxic waste all over forums or social media, then when they're rightfully banned they realize they're going to have to use a different tone or maybe throw in some crocodile tears in order to keep their self-righteous crusade going.

It's the developers' game to do with what they will, there's no reason to become that crazy ex who spends all their free time stalking the person who dumped them. If you don't like the changes made or the pace of updates, you can stop playing and get on with your life. The fact is that 7DTD is a great game that's been very enjoyable for a long time, and it would still be enjoyable for a long time to come even if they completely stopped updating it now.

Cutter wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 17:43:
Here's the review - from a month ago - that really dissuaded me...

I guess that if you were a kickstarter backer, you might be annoyed. But the way I see it, I paid very little for a game that I loved. I then got several massive updates that warranted new playthroughs, at no extra cost. The next update comes out soon and I'm going to play it during a small lan party. This is the best game there is for coop lans and lans are essentially one the funnest things one can do in this world... Can't complain. I see it from a different perspective: the full game was released years ago. They've also released huge free DLCs. I don't give a damn if they call it alpha, beta or whateva... But you decide.

Here's the review - from a month ago - that really dissuaded me. And there are several more recent ones like it as well.

"Prior to the last few months I would have highly recommended this game and had highly recommended it to all my friends. I have purchased Eight copies of the game and have gotten countless people to purchase the game (I run a large minecraft community and converted many of them to playing on my 7d2d server). I am heavily invested in this game and as stated heavily support the developers (The Fun Pimps) until recent events.

7d2d does its builds in large patches rather than many small patches due to many of the updates requiring players to restart their maps. It is currently on its alpha build 15 about to enter alpha build 16. Prior to getting into why exactly I would avoid purchasing this game, let me give an honest review of the game and why exactly I had previously loved this game.

I am massive fan of the theorizing zombie apocalypse scenarios. This game allows you to live out many of those day dreams in that the entire world is breakable and buildable. If you are familiar with the ideas behind minecraft then 7 Days to Die will instantly feel very similar. There is something very special about finding a house out in the woods and fortifying the windows, and sitting on the toilet all night praying that a zombie out in the darkness doesn't detect you. For an open world sandbox game the amount of magical moments that just send electricity racing down your spine is really something commendable.

As with all early access games it isn't without its flaws, Zombie pathfinding is horribly buggy. Furthermore once you reach a certain level of game knowledge "cheesing it" becomes very easy and zombies become nothing more than an annoyance that threatens to damage your base every 7 days.

The last comment I'll make on the actual content of the game can be both seen as negative and positive. Base building can be obscenely grindy and can become a massive time sink. If you got plenty of extra time and you want something to occupy you then its perfect. However if you don't want basebuilding to become a full time job then smacking rocks for hours can be extremely dull.

For recent events that has led my overall opinion to shift from positive to negative the current build of a15.2 has been out for 4 months and a15 itself came out over 8 months ago. 7 days to die initially launched on steam early access in 2013 after a successful kick starter campaign in which they raised over $500,000 more than double the amount they asked for. In the kickstarter they said they expected the game to be done by may 2014. Well here we are in 2017. 4+ years in steam early access.

Sure things take time and the argument can be made that they drastically underestimated time needed and we should be thankful that they supported the game this long etc. Problem is that haven't met their many of their kickstarter promised goals. I am now of the opinion that they intend to keep this game in early access for as long as people are still buying the game and when the revenue stream dries up the project will be abandoned never to be "finished".

To get into the current drama and issues; as previously stated it has been over 8 months since a content update to the game and several stated release times have come and gone. it is expected for newest content patch alpha 16 to be going live sometime soon. The issue becomes apparent in that The Fun Pimps decided that rather than realizing oh hey we really dropped the ball in releasing this in a timely fashion lets get this out to our supporters ASAP. Instead they elect to try and turn this into some kind of marketing scheme releasing the update early to streamers to try and promote the game by generating hype. Naturally this received a lot of negative feedback from the community. Rather than realize mistake many were banned from the forums. Furthermore the Lead Dev goes out of his way to insult the community saying that they haven't done anything to deserve access and that you have to earn access to early access.

While the game is pretty fun in its current alpha15 I simple cannot recommend anyone purchasing this game and financially rewarding such poor behavior from The Fun Pimps. "

So why not raise the price when it's actually out and not ahead?

Key resellers who bought these up while it was cheap are going to have a heyday on this one.

Steven Peeler wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 15:43:
I'm not defending their price jump, but I can probably guess why the price increased and the timing.

They very well could lose their retail shelf space if the digital version is selling below the retail price (and it's not a temporary sale), hence the price jump.

As for the timing, Steam has a policy that you can't put your game on sale within 30 days of a price jump. I'm guessing they want to do a launch discount and their launch is just a little over a month away.

If they didn't announce the price jump, it could be because they didn't want people who were waiting for the exit of early access to buy the game at the reduced price.

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 15:16:

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 14:49:
The canuck only focuses on the negative.

Why do you have to point out he's a canuck? Let's not drag the rest of the Canadians down in the gutter with him. It doesn't matter what country he's from.. you'd call him that even if he was from Madeuppistan.

I'm a "canuck" too :p

I'm not defending their price jump, but I can probably guess why the price increased and the timing.

They very well could lose their retail shelf space if the digital version is selling below the retail price (and it's not a temporary sale), hence the price jump.

As for the timing, Steam has a policy that you can't put your game on sale within 30 days of a price jump. I'm guessing they want to do a launch discount and their launch is just a little over a month away.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 14:49:
The canuck only focuses on the negative.

Why do you have to point out he's a canuck? Let's not drag the rest of the Canadians down in the gutter with him. It doesn't matter what country he's from.. you'd call him that even if he was from Madeuppistan.

ItBurn wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 13:58:

Cutter wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 13:48:

ItBurn wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 11:32:
7 days to die is still the gold standard for these games if you ask me. Is it worth 60$? I'd say sure, but I wouldn't pay that.

I considered grabbing that during the sale but all the recent reviews say the opposite of that. Apparently the game hasn't been updated in a year and the devs are, apparently, major fucking douchebags who have been censoring and banning people criticizing them for the lack of updates and criticisms of them. The game was supposed to be finished 3 years ago. From the sounds of it it's just another EA game that is slowly grinding to a halt as the devs get bored of it and are taking the money and running.

Are you talking about 7 days? I don't know what you're talking about... I'm not invested in the community, but I've been playing this for years and they release major updates to the game at regular intervals. There's so much new stuff that it warrants a new full playthrough with every major update. They're about to release the next one in the next week(s). Could they work faster? Maybe, but this is clearly a living game that will evolve during its entire lifetime. I've gotten 104 hours out of it so far and I loved every minute of it. Got a lot of enjoyment for my money. Honestly, I can't even imagine it being much better than it is. It has a fully dynamic world built with blocks similar to Minecraft, but it has better graphics and physics. Somehow, they got this to work so well that you can have huge cities with fully detailed skyscrapers and almost no impact on performance. It's not perfect, but I seriously don't understand how someone could complain about this game.

The canuck only focuses on the negative, you are what you eat read - breath. Let it flow through him w/out getting any on yourself.

Cutter wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 13:48:

ItBurn wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 11:32:
7 days to die is still the gold standard for these games if you ask me. Is it worth 60$? I'd say sure, but I wouldn't pay that.

I considered grabbing that during the sale but all the recent reviews say the opposite of that. Apparently the game hasn't been updated in a year and the devs are, apparently, major fucking douchebags who have been censoring and banning people criticizing them for the lack of updates and criticisms of them. The game was supposed to be finished 3 years ago. From the sounds of it it's just another EA game that is slowly grinding to a halt as the devs get bored of it and are taking the money and running.

Are you talking about 7 days? I don't know what you're talking about... I'm not invested in the community, but I've been playing this for years and they release major updates to the game at regular intervals. There's so much new stuff that it warrants a new full playthrough with every major update. They're about to release the next one in the next week(s). Could they work faster? Maybe, but this is clearly a living game that will evolve during its entire lifetime. I've gotten 104 hours out of it so far and I loved every minute of it. Got a lot of enjoyment for my money. Honestly, I can't even imagine it being much better than it is. It has a fully dynamic world built with blocks similar to Minecraft, but it has better graphics and physics. Somehow, they got this to work so well that you can have huge cities with fully detailed skyscrapers and almost no impact on performance. It's not perfect, but I seriously don't understand how someone could complain about this game.

ItBurn wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 11:32:
7 days to die is still the gold standard for these games if you ask me. Is it worth 60$? I'd say sure, but I wouldn't pay that.

I considered grabbing that during the sale but all the recent reviews say the opposite of that. Apparently the game hasn't been updated in a year and the devs are, apparently, major fucking douchebags who have been censoring and banning people criticizing them for the lack of updates and criticisms of them. The game was supposed to be finished 3 years ago. From the sounds of it it's just another EA game that is slowly grinding to a halt as the devs get bored of it and are taking the money and running.

deqer wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 13:02:
This game isn't even played. I think only roughly 500 people are playing this, right? Why double price, instead of cut in half.

Maybe a couple of orders of magnitude more than 500.

deqer wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 13:02:
This game isn't even played. I think only roughly 500 people are playing this, right? Why double price, instead of cut in half.

according to steam charts....

62,119
24-hour peak

100,723
all-time peak

so nope, though for some reason its not showing up on the main listing you have to search for it. but no, its immensely popular.

edit: ohh wait they are patching and the servers are down... that will be it.