Out of the Blue

Happy 3rd of July. Tomorrow is Independence Day here in the U.S., and of course the weekend just concluded, but I'm surprised at the number of people I know who are working today. My assumption would be that most places would go for the four day weekend. I guess I'm no one to talk... I asked myself for the day off, but got turned down.

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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled
Jul 6, 2017, 13:01
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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled Jul 6, 2017, 13:01
Jul 6, 2017, 13:01
 
Kxmode wrote on Jul 6, 2017, 10:43:
jdreyer wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 22:42:
Rigs wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 08:10:
NKD wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 00:51:
Space Captain Lives Matter! No Justice, No Peace! This is some RACISM. Cutter gets to remain here just because he's WHITE, but Space Captain gets the boot just because his underwear has brown stripes in it and his mom won't let him go outside without a helmet?

Jesus Blue what kind of shop are you running here?!

Cutter isn't white, he's Canadian. Huge difference...

=-Rigs-=
Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads.


What are you talking aboot?

Blame Canada!
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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled
Jul 6, 2017, 10:43
Kxmode
 
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Jul 6, 2017, 10:43
 Kxmode
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 22:42:
Rigs wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 08:10:
NKD wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 00:51:
Space Captain Lives Matter! No Justice, No Peace! This is some RACISM. Cutter gets to remain here just because he's WHITE, but Space Captain gets the boot just because his underwear has brown stripes in it and his mom won't let him go outside without a helmet?

Jesus Blue what kind of shop are you running here?!

Cutter isn't white, he's Canadian. Huge difference...

=-Rigs-=
Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads.


What are you talking aboot?
"The present is a veil between anticipation and horror. Lift the veil... and madness may follow." source
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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled
Jul 5, 2017, 22:42
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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled Jul 5, 2017, 22:42
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Rigs wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 08:10:
NKD wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 00:51:
Space Captain Lives Matter! No Justice, No Peace! This is some RACISM. Cutter gets to remain here just because he's WHITE, but Space Captain gets the boot just because his underwear has brown stripes in it and his mom won't let him go outside without a helmet?

Jesus Blue what kind of shop are you running here?!

Cutter isn't white, he's Canadian. Huge difference...

=-Rigs-=
Canadians, with their beady eyes and flappy heads.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Jul 5, 2017, 15:48
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what the fuck is going on in here?
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Re: BOLO for new accounts
Jul 5, 2017, 08:50
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Re: BOLO for new accounts Jul 5, 2017, 08:50
Jul 5, 2017, 08:50
 
SlimRam wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 00:24:
Well sir, I believe you are the winner. You said he would flame out at before post 502. I played the averages of all his account posts with 2,755 so you sir, are closer. He was banned at 921.

Ok, ok best two out of three? Surely the 6th iteration will emerge soon
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Re: Unannounced Five Nights at Freddy's Game Cancelled
Jul 5, 2017, 08:10
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Jul 5, 2017, 08:10
 Rigs
 
NKD wrote on Jul 5, 2017, 00:51:
Space Captain Lives Matter! No Justice, No Peace! This is some RACISM. Cutter gets to remain here just because he's WHITE, but Space Captain gets the boot just because his underwear has brown stripes in it and his mom won't let him go outside without a helmet?

Jesus Blue what kind of shop are you running here?!

Cutter isn't white, he's Canadian. Huge difference...

=-Rigs-=
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Re: BOLO for new accounts
Jul 5, 2017, 00:51
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Space Captain Lives Matter! No Justice, No Peace! This is some RACISM. Cutter gets to remain here just because he's WHITE, but Space Captain gets the boot just because his underwear has brown stripes in it and his mom won't let him go outside without a helmet?

Jesus Blue what kind of shop are you running here?!
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Re: BOLO for new accounts
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RedEye9 wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 12:29:
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Well sir, I believe you are the winner. You said he would flame out at before post 502. I played the averages of all his account posts with 2,755 so you sir, are closer. He was banned at 921.

Ok, ok best two out of three? Surely the 6th iteration will emerge soon
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Re: BOLO for new accounts
Jul 4, 2017, 23:13
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RedEye9 wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 12:29:
SlimRam wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 00:23:
There seems to be someone missing from our discussions lately... All this talk of Space. I can't put my finger on it yet, nah I got Zero.
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Good. Took long enough.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Jul 4, 2017, 22:59
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NKD wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 22:16:
I'd say it's a very different kind of faith. It's the kind of faith you have in a friend. You hope they are a good friend and will work out, but if they fail to show it, you're not going to hang out with them anymore. The longer a theory goes on without delivering results, the less and less people who believe it has any worth, and they move on. Especially when they are competing with other ideas that are having more success.

String theory, for example, has been getting trounced by the Standard Model for a while now. The SM has had the Higgs field, Gravitational waves, etc. String theory just hasn't been shown to map onto reality yet. None of its predictions have been experimentally shown yet. It's not quite hopeless yet, but it may very well end up in the garbage bin.

I agree. However, up until 2012, the standard model lacked the valuable evidence provided by Higgs-Boson. Did this make it any less useful? No! It just made it less accurate. Scientists didn't abandon it because it wasn't perfect.

NKD wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 22:16:
That's the fundamental difference between science and religion: A willingness to admit when the facts don't add up. Religion makes claims and then says they can be neither confirmed nor disproved. Of course individual scientists are people and have egos and some will cling to ideas more strongly than others. But that's why other scientists are there to keep them honest.

And because the SM lacked an essential piece of research found within Higgs-Boson did the scientific community admit when the facts didn't add up, that something was missing? Perhaps some did, but they are adamant about their faith in the model.

I am trying to establish a difference between true faith and passive faith. Passive faith is the type that most of us are familiar. It is observable in "lemmings" who take in whatever someone says without question or research. Almost all religions operate under this mentality, and it has had amazingly bad results in human history from The Crusades to the Spanish Inquisition, and to terrorism committed in the name of God. All of it perpetrated by ignorance.

True faith is the exact opposite. Scientists base their analysis and conclusions on "evident demonstrations." For real confidence in the Bible to work, trust must be established by "clear demonstrations." Studying the Bible reveals patterns showing that time and time again over the span of the 1,600 years prophecies declared and fulfilled in the past happened as described in exacting detail. The pattern, or conclusion, then is this: if the accuracy of Biblical prophecy remains 100%, then it will be 100% in the future. To that, I add Titus 1:2 which states faith is "based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago."

Like I mentioned in a previous comment both the Bible and science have wildly different conclusions about the sun's fate. I just choose to put my faith in the Bible's outlook.

Thanks for the discussion. Indeed, most fascinating. Have a great 4th!

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Re: Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Plans
Jul 4, 2017, 22:22
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Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 22:15:
Yes. Like when documentaries on the sun explain with absolute certainty that the star will go supernova in a few billion years hence. The Bible states another thing to is contrary. It all comes done to faith? I'd rather put my faith in the Bible's positive look into future than in man's negative look into the future. Eventually, humanity will know who was correct.
Actually, no. The science shows the Sun will eventually expand into a red giant before becoming a white dwarf. It does not have enough mass to create a supernova. And it's about 5 billion years away. The Earth will be "dead" long before that, so if we are still around it won't be on Earth.

The science is based on direct observation of stars of a similar size in various parts of the star's life cycle throughout the universe. I'll take repeatable observable evidence over random rantings. I already know who is correct.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Jul 4, 2017, 22:16
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Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:59:
NKD wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:32:
Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:30:

That's a HOW question (e.g. "How do stars fuse hydrogen into helium?). The WHY question is, why are there stars? Science can't answer that, but the Bible can.

Is an answer worth anything if you can't vet the source and have no reason to believe it is true?

That's called faith. There are plenty of scientists who have put their faith in a variety of theorems, including string theory, that they base on sources that aren't vetted or proved. So whether spiritual or scientific, faith "is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen." (Hebrews 11:1) Admittedly, we can agree upon that, I would think.

I'd say it's a very different kind of faith. It's the kind of faith you have in a friend. You hope they are a good friend and will work out, but if they fail to show it, you're not going to hang out with them anymore. The longer a theory goes on without delivering results, the less and less people who believe it has any worth, and they move on. Especially when they are competing with other ideas that are having more success.

String theory, for example, has been getting trounced by the Standard Model for a while now. The SM has had the Higgs field, Gravitational waves, etc. String theory just hasn't been shown to map onto reality yet. None of its predictions have been experimentally shown yet. It's not quite hopeless yet, but it may very well end up in the garbage bin.

That's the fundamental difference between science and religion: A willingness to admit when the facts don't add up. Religion makes claims and then says they can be neither confirmed nor disproved. Of course individual scientists are people and have egos and some will cling to ideas more strongly than others. But that's why other scientists are there to keep them honest.

Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 22:15:

Yes. Like when documentaries on the sun explain with absolute certainty that the star will go supernova in a few billion years hence. The Bible states another thing to is contrary. It all comes done to faith? I'd rather put my faith in the Bible's positive look into future than in man's negative look into the future. Eventually, humanity will know who was correct.

Actually, the sun is going to end up being a white dwarf, and then trillions of years later, maybe a black dwarf. It's not big enough to become a black hole, or make a supernova. But details aside, strange that you should pick such a manifestly proven scientific fact as an example of "faith." We know what the sun is going to do because we know the lifecycle of stars extremely well. Before the sun explodes, we're also going to merge with the Andromeda galaxy. That isn't faith, we can observe it moving towards us.
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Re: Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Plans
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Dacote wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:51:
Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:47:
NKD wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 21:52:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 20:13:
Exactly, well said. Why do stars fuse hydrogen into helium? There is no 'why'. It is what happens.

You really want to have your mind fucked read or listen to that book I linked to Kxmode about Something Rather Than Nothing.

Thanks! I'll give it a review.

I also like the excellent assortment of Blu-ray quality scientific documentaries on Curiosity Stream. Of course whenever they drift into the evolutionary aspect of the planet's "creation" then I tend to zone out. The earth is too well formed with thousands of complex interconnected systems to be a randomly created oddity in the cosmos. Anyhow, again, thanks for the read suggestion.
When it gets to the sci-ency parts my brain turns off.
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Yes. Like when documentaries on the sun explain with absolute certainty that the star will go supernova in a few billion years hence. The Bible states another thing to is contrary. It all comes done to faith? I'd rather put my faith in the Bible's positive look into future than in man's negative look into the future. Eventually, humanity will know who was correct.
"The present is a veil between anticipation and horror. Lift the veil... and madness may follow." source
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Re: Out of the Blue
Jul 4, 2017, 22:09
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Asmodai wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 23:46:
As a person with zero investment in nuclear power, I have been talking about waste products of solar panels for over a decade.

Solar is a feel good technology that you can stick on your house and does fuck actual all to solve the problem of moving from carbon based to cleaner energy... Same as the amount of carbon emitted to produce the concrete used in nuke reactors (a significant amount), there are intangibles or difficult to analyse costs with every form of energy generation that need to be addressed in picking an appropriate overall strategy. Shotgunning panels all over roofs is not a strategy...

I've heard of Utilities investing in solar panel farms. I assume creating a sizeable array does have noticeable and positive effects on producing clean energy.
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Jul 4, 2017, 22:08
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Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:32:
Why are we here?

Science still has not been able to answer this question. The Bible does, many times over.
Oh please.. really? Why not just tell us you know God exists because you "feel" his presence. The answer is, there is no reason we are here. It is random. We are here because, this planet formed where liquid water can exist, in a solar system far enough from the center of the galaxy that we are not bombarded with radiation (compared relatively to the center of the galaxy). And then, we got lucky.

But because many people can't deal with that idea emotionally, they have created religions to fill this hole. They feel their lives need to "mean" something, that there has to be "more to life". You don't believe what Islam teaches, right? Don't believe what Judaism teaches, right? Repeat this question for all the other religions. Hundreds, thousands of religions you do not believe. You only believe in your religion. Well, I simply believe in one less religion than you do.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Jul 4, 2017, 21:59
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 Kxmode
 
NKD wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:32:
Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:30:

That's a HOW question (e.g. "How do stars fuse hydrogen into helium?). The WHY question is, why are there stars? Science can't answer that, but the Bible can.

Is an answer worth anything if you can't vet the source and have no reason to believe it is true?

That's called faith. There are plenty of scientists who have put their faith in a variety of theorems, including string theory, that they base on sources that aren't vetted or proved. So whether spiritual or scientific, faith "is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen." (Hebrews 11:1) Admittedly, we can agree upon that, I would think.
"The present is a veil between anticipation and horror. Lift the veil... and madness may follow." source
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Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:47:
NKD wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 21:52:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 20:13:
Exactly, well said. Why do stars fuse hydrogen into helium? There is no 'why'. It is what happens.

You really want to have your mind fucked read or listen to that book I linked to Kxmode about Something Rather Than Nothing.

Thanks! I'll give it a review.

I also like the excellent assortment of Blu-ray quality scientific documentaries on Curiosity Stream. Of course whenever they drift into the evolutionary aspect of the planet's "creation" then I tend to zone out. The earth is too well formed with thousands of complex interconnected systems to be a randomly created oddity in the cosmos. Anyhow, again, thanks for the read suggestion.
When it gets to the sci-ency parts my brain turns off.
Holy Shit batman
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 Kxmode
 
NKD wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 21:52:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 20:13:
Exactly, well said. Why do stars fuse hydrogen into helium? There is no 'why'. It is what happens.

You really want to have your mind fucked read or listen to that book I linked to Kxmode about Something Rather Than Nothing.

Thanks! I'll give it a review.

I also like the excellent assortment of Blu-ray quality scientific documentaries on Curiosity Stream. Of course whenever they drift into the evolutionary aspect of the planet's "creation" then I tend to zone out. The earth is too well formed with thousands of complex interconnected systems to be a randomly created oddity in the cosmos. Anyhow, again, thanks for the read suggestion.
"The present is a veil between anticipation and horror. Lift the veil... and madness may follow." source
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Kxmode wrote on Jul 4, 2017, 21:30:

That's a HOW question (e.g. "How do stars fuse hydrogen into helium?). The WHY question is, why are there stars? Science can't answer that, but the Bible can.

Is an answer worth anything if you can't vet the source and have no reason to believe it is true?
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Re: Out of the Blue
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NKD wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 17:36:
Kxmode wrote on Jul 3, 2017, 15:07:

Science is never going to be able to explain the WHY, only HOW. It can only discuss the effects, but never the cause. These are the big WHY questions Science keeps asking to this day that they have not been able to answer.

That's because there are no "why" questions that are answerable when it comes to the universe.

Why are we here?

Science still has not been able to answer this question. The Bible does, many times over.
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