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Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed

The reviews on Steam for Grand Theft Auto IV and Grand Theft Auto V have taken a turn for the worse following the recent shutdown of the OpenIV modding tool for Grand Theft Auto V (thanks DSOGaming). The overall rating for each game has dropped to "mixed" as the recent reviews GTAIV are "mostly negative" and the recent reviews for GTAV are now "overwhelmingly negative" as gamers express their anger at the mod shutdown. In semi-related news, PCGamesN notes the shutdown of Force Hax, a paid mod that allowed users to cheat and mess with other players in Grand Theft Auto Online. The mod website now has the following statement:

“After discussions with Take-Two Interactive, effective immediately we are ceasing all maintenance, development and distribution of the Force Hax cheat menu services. We will be donating our proceeds to charity and we apologize for any and all problems Force Hax services have caused to the Grand Theft Auto Online community.”

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41. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 23:07 Slashman
 
NetHead wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 14:41:
Slashman wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 13:08:
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 10:53:
OpenIV is a tool for modding the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine, not for any particular game. It got started with GTA IV, hence the name.

Ah OK got it. Still seems like a huge overreaction and posting bad reviews which don't have anything to do with the game itself.


A game no longer being able to be modded sounds very relevant to the game itself.


Not if the developer never intended to support modding in the first place, which is usually indicated by provision of mod tools and/or documentation.

If Bethesda came around and patched out moddability from Skyrim and invalidated their mod tools, then I could get behind this sort of thing. But from all accounts, this wasn't something officially endorsed. Maybe I missed something though so feel free to point out where.
 
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40. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 18:27 Mordecai Walfish
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 14:50:
This analogy above doesn't really work if the developers never mentioned mod support.. If they didn't, well it's not exactly a feature to base marketing off. I'm too lazy to do my research on it


They have never openly supported or mentioned modding as a feature for any of their (3D) games.
 
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39. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 14:50 Tipsy McStagger
 
saluk wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 14:08:
I have to come out against the "the reviews should only review the game" crowd. There are very few ways customers can register feedback to a company in a way that can be heard - swamping them with bad reviews on steam is one of the only ways I can think of to send such a message. Moreover, if a portion of your enjoyment from the game had to do with the tools that were allowed to be used with it, and those tools were then disabled, it is actually reviewing the game. I would give skyrim that does not support mods a much worse review than the game that allows me to customize it and make it appeal to me in personalized ways.

It is logical, as games-as-a-service begins to infect even single player titles like GTAV, that fluctuations in service quality are going to piss people off and result in this kind of behavior.

Ultimately of course, the poor reviews are mostly symbolic. Take Two is going to weigh the loss in revenue from poor recent reviews with the gain in revenue projected from the improvements in the online community, even if there was some collateral damage. They will come down on the side of what makes the most money. Which will probably be to leave things as they stand.

This is how I view this as well, I sort of understand the argument of "The reviews should only review the game" but this IS the game.. it was part of the game basically.

Example:
You purchased a smart phone.. it allowed apps to be installed but you never did, others did though. 2 years in they remove the ability to put apps on it. Why wouldn't that have an impact on the reviews of the phone? It didn't actually change how the base phone worked and you, without apps, can leave a nice good review but everyone else who is now fucked over can definitely review the phone as complete shit. It lost the functionality that actually might have made them buy the phone in the first place.

This analogy above doesn't really work if the developers never mentioned mod support.. If they didn't, well it's not exactly a feature to base marketing off. I'm too lazy to do my research on it

 
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38. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 14:41 NetHead
 
Slashman wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 13:08:
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 10:53:
OpenIV is a tool for modding the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine, not for any particular game. It got started with GTA IV, hence the name.

Ah OK got it. Still seems like a huge overreaction and posting bad reviews which don't have anything to do with the game itself.

A game no longer being able to be modded sounds very relevant to the game itself.

 
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37. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 14:40 Prez
 
saluk wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 14:08:
I have to come out against the "the reviews should only review the game" crowd. There are very few ways customers can register feedback to a company in a way that can be heard - swamping them with bad reviews on steam is one of the only ways I can think of to send such a message. Moreover, if a portion of your enjoyment from the game had to do with the tools that were allowed to be used with it, and those tools were then disabled, it is actually reviewing the game. I would give skyrim that does not support mods a much worse review than the game that allows me to customize it and make it appeal to me in personalized ways.


Totally agree. The lack of mods DOES make it a worse game. But I need to point this out again for those saying fuck Rockstar for this: This is Take 2's dick move not Rockstar's. Blame the publisher, not the developer. Rockstar has supported and promoted modding of GTA for years.
 
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36. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 14:08 saluk
 
I have to come out against the "the reviews should only review the game" crowd. There are very few ways customers can register feedback to a company in a way that can be heard - swamping them with bad reviews on steam is one of the only ways I can think of to send such a message. Moreover, if a portion of your enjoyment from the game had to do with the tools that were allowed to be used with it, and those tools were then disabled, it is actually reviewing the game. I would give skyrim that does not support mods a much worse review than the game that allows me to customize it and make it appeal to me in personalized ways.

It is logical, as games-as-a-service begins to infect even single player titles like GTAV, that fluctuations in service quality are going to piss people off and result in this kind of behavior.

Ultimately of course, the poor reviews are mostly symbolic. Take Two is going to weigh the loss in revenue from poor recent reviews with the gain in revenue projected from the improvements in the online community, even if there was some collateral damage. They will come down on the side of what makes the most money. Which will probably be to leave things as they stand.
 
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35. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 13:08 Slashman
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 10:53:
OpenIV is a tool for modding the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine, not for any particular game. It got started with GTA IV, hence the name.

Ah OK got it. Still seems like a huge overreaction and posting bad reviews which don't have anything to do with the game itself.
 
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34. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 10:53 Mordecai Walfish
 
Malicious modders are definitely an issue, but if you just join a large crew that has open enrollment, you can just enter into crew sessions and not worry about most of this stuff. The modders you see in those lobbies are generally only helpful and spawn cars and stuff in for fun, and if someone malicious happens to slip through, they get removed from both the crew/session pretty quickly.

Besides, in the latest update they added the friggin Groove Champion to the game. I cant get the paint job exactly right, but the body style and mounted guns are spot on. The biggest new addition is the rocket bike though.. I couldn't be happier with the gun running update unless they added single player dlc along with it. The rocket bike brings things to the next level. I don't even hesitate to take on hydras with that thing.

I feel for the modding community and openIV, but they are not the reason why a vast majority (95%+) of the players bought the game and continue to play it.

Slashman wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 10:38:
So the shutdown of a mod tool for GTA4 causes a flood of negative reviews for GTA5? Stay classy modern day gamers.

OpenIV is a tool for modding the Rockstar Advanced Game Engine, not for any particular game. It got started with GTA IV, hence the name.
 
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33. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 10:38 Slashman
 
So the shutdown of a mod tool for GTA4 causes a flood of negative reviews for GTA5? Stay classy modern day gamers.

Steam reviews need some sort of proper moderation. I understand that the developers themselves cannot be allowed to do it due to massive conflicts of interest, but I am seeing more and more stupid reviews that deserve to be banned or simply not counted toward the review score of a game.

When someone with 60+ hours of playtime in a strategy game posts a review stating that the game is unplayable because one of their heroes' abilities is bugged, that person deserves to be dragged outside and flogged publicly with several lengths of Ethernet cable.

Similarly for people with .4 hours of playtime who post shit like the game is completely broken because they can't map a couple keys the way they want so it gets a negative review.

I'm not a fan of big publishers, but this whole thing just seems like overreaction.
 
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32. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 09:58 RedEye9
 
Frijoles wrote on Jun 19, 2017, 09:46:
Blue should have made this two posts. The headline makes it sound like the reviews are crashing because an online cheat code was killed.
It would not matter how many posts Blue made or what he titled them especially when less than half of the posters read the articles.
 
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31. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 09:46 Frijoles
 
Blue should have made this two posts. The headline makes it sound like the reviews are crashing because an online cheat code was killed.  
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30. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 08:31 KilrathiAce
 
Good, this is very good, first of all rockstar should never try to hurt modding community, and for that they getting their butt kicked.

And finally, steam review system is total joke, valve doesnt seem to understand or want to fix it, people who play 0.01 hour of a game can post reviews that count as much as anyone, this is why trolls dominate it if they want it.
 
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29. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 08:01 Burrito of Peace
 
For me, GTAV was one of the most boring games I have ever played. All the characters were unlikable and I found the story boring as Hell. Not even the much vaunted torture scene moved my EQ needle at all. It does not matter to me how technically awesome something is if it is not engaging.  
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28. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 04:18 eRe4s3r
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 21:04:
Now it's at Overwhelmingly Negative between Exceedingly Negative and Terribly Negative. Makes Mostly Negative look genuinely positive.

I wonder if there is another "**** negative" wording for below 10% ? Never actually seen that.
 
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27. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 03:38 Armengar
 
I stopped playing gta5 a oong time ago. I have never been interested in the multiplay online side either. It is great that online cheats are killed off but not so great single player kods have been killed.

What this did do is highlight openIV to me. There are mirrors and i might have a look at these mods.....
 
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26. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 02:01 Quinn
 
Agent-Zero wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 19:38:
Quinn wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 18:14:
Agent-Zero wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 16:09:
jacobvandy wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 13:53:
ItBurn wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 13:30:
Quinn wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 13:23:
Fucking drama queens. Them losers been playing that game every fucking day since it came out for PC. This is the kind of shit that has Rockstar flip the PC off for.

So you're against gamers voicing their discontent when a developer kills mods in order to juice more money out of the customers? You like all these microtransactions and day one DLC bs? Because it happened when gamers didn't say anything. Who cares if Rockstar puts their game on PC or not. We've got infinite good games to play, we don't need to bend over for them.

Voice it all you want, but it has nothing to do with game itself. Reviews aren't there for angry nerds and their bandwagoning circlejerks trying to "stick it to the man." They're for telling people your opinion of the game. This type of pointless nonsense (along with the retarded memes and other jokes so often voted "most helpful") is why a lot of people don't bother reading Steam reviews at all.

this may be what you prefer reviews to be... but your preference clearly has no impact on what actually happens...

so it seems that your opinion doesnt really matter - but thats largely the case for everyone, about everything in general - so its not really a big deal, just an observation...

I think that comment has hit the Top 5 of my Most Useless Comments Ever list.

doesnt really matter since i dont give a fuck about you whatsoever

youre not on any of my lists.. youre just another pointless, worthless maggot

Seems your pearl of wisdom taught me that opinions don't matter just in time!
 
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25. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 19, 2017, 01:05 headkase
 
Rockstar should hire them, have them integrate their modification code into GTA5 and 4, and push out updated games with it then built-in.

That is about the only PR save they could really pull off going forward.
 
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24. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 18, 2017, 22:30 NKD
 
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23. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 18, 2017, 22:00 Rigs
 
GothicWizard wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 20:43:
I stopped playing GTA5 for the simple fact the cheating mods were killing the game for me. Just trying to play the game and some kid who can't play the game as intended starts spawning cars, insta-killing other players, making themselves invulnerable, etc. it just took my enjoyment from the game. So Frankly don't care if they lock the game tighter then fort knox for modding if it stops the script kiddies. Be nice to play the game again without these twerps with self confidence issues.

Agent-Zero wrote on Jun 18, 2017, 19:38:
doesnt really matter since i dont give a fuck about you whatsoever

youre not on any of my lists.. youre just another pointless, worthless maggot

Hmmm... Inquisitive Idea

=-Rigs-=
 
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22. Re: Grand Theft Auto Reviews Crash; GTA Online Cheat Killed Jun 18, 2017, 21:04 RedEye9
 

Now it's at Overwhelmingly Negative between Exceedingly Negative and Terribly Negative. Makes Mostly Negative look genuinely positive.
 
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