SMITE wrote on May 23, 2017, 20:16:
This "none of us are ever going to die of terrorism" argument pisses me the hell off. So what if none of US are going to die from it--lots of other people ARE dying from it. Are the lives of people in other countries worth so little to you?
What if you happened to be born in Afghanistan? Or Pakistan? Or Saudi Arabia? Or, for that matter, France or England?
Islamic terrorism is a global issue, even if you're lucky enough to live in a country that doesn't suffer from it.
As for "being a pussy," I have no fear whatsoever of a terror attack here in the U.S. I'm not afraid, period. But I still have empathy for the victims, and hatred for their attackers, and for those who would defend the religion that drives them.
The metrics aren't much worse for France or England. Yes, there have been high profile attacks in the past several years; no, they haven't killed that many people. Well under 1000 since 2014, by my eyeballed, not actually punched into a calculator summation of the numbers here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe_(2014%E2%80%93present)
I'd be willing to bet more French men and women die of Gauloises-induced lung cancer every week or so than will die to an ISIS attacker for as long as ISIS is a thing. The risk is higher in the EU because they face completely different security challenges, but the danger terrorism poses to them is the danger terrorism poses most everywhere: not to actually inflict real damage, but to induce fear out of proportion to that damage, so that the targets begin to take rash, self-damaging actions.
As for Muslim majority countries in which you are much more likely to die from terrorism, that does indeed suck for Muslim civilians. It also sucks that we back the authoritarian regimes which oppress those Muslim citizens and which have delegitimized the secular Pan-Arab Nationalist reform movement of the 50s and 60s which those authoritarians co opted, and, most importantly, gave rise to Political Islam in the 70s as a reaction to the perceived failure of Arab Nationalism and Secularism. Yeah, Islam in 2017 remains in many ways a medieval religion, and no, not everything is about America, but yes, damn it, we played a major role in ensuring that Political Islam, -- and after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 80s, its more militant, jihadist off shoots -- completely superseded the secular, modernist alternatives. But hey, at least we maintained the balance of power in the region against the Soviets, peeled off a few Arab states to make peace with Israel as part of the bargain, and prevented the democratically elected Mossadegh from nationalizing Iranian oil by deposing him in a coup, at least until the puppet authoritarian Shah we put in his place was deposed by the Islamic Revolution!
One of the arguments that consistently comes up after an ISIS terrorist attack is that Muslims are the problem -- an argument that is reductive in the extreme but I will nevertheless admit isn't entirely without merit either -- yet the only consistent, large scale victims of those problematic people are... themselves. So is Islam the problem that requires a "simple and obvious" solution, or are Muslims the victims of a problem that by and large doesn't affect us Westerners except in so far as we make bone-headed decisions to "fix" a region we've been progressively and cumulatively fucking up since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire? Speaking of which, kind of cool how the forces of Political Islam we were so instrumental in nurturing and unleashing -- and then arming for battle in Soviet-era Afghanistan -- have now effectively subverted what was once the crown jewel of a modern, secular, Muslim-majority state, i.e. Turkey?
Look, we're all angry and bitter because something shitty happened in the world, again. Yet, aside from the "simple and obvious" solution, or rather the human-rights-abusing-war-crimes-committing-non-solution, there's not a whole lot we can do about it. My own take is that we've long since lost the privilege of claiming this is our problem to solve. This comment was edited on May 23, 2017, 21:46.