Creston wrote on May 21, 2017, 15:40:

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 21:47:
Depends on how you're measuring. People that look after themselves (and some with pure luck and medication) are able to live to 120ish. That would definitely make 65 around the middle :-)

120ish? The oldest person that ever lived (verified anyway) made it to 122. How many people do you think there are that make it to 120??

You're right, not many people do, but I'll reverse that and say, how many people do you know that really look after themselves?

Because the people that do live long all have a very similar lifestyle and diet. And we know it's not genetic (as the video explains):
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-okinawa-diet-living-to-100/

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 21:47:
Depends on how you're measuring. People that look after themselves (and some with pure luck and medication) are able to live to 120ish. That would definitely make 65 around the middle :-)

120ish? The oldest person that ever lived (verified anyway) made it to 122. How many people do you think there are that make it to 120??

Scottish Martial Arts wrote on May 21, 2017, 00:58:

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 18:24:
A lifestyle change is so much better. Just get away from it all, live in nature, or move to a country where things things are cheap and life is simple.

That's great advice except when it doesn't work. Healthier habits, regular exercise, a more active social and sex life, and a nutritious diet are all great places to start when you are experiencing a mood disorder or psychiatric illness. In many cases, that's all that's needed. In many other cases, it doesn't help at all, and the patient keeps getting worse and worse. Then, a lucky prescription might turn everything around. Or it might not. Or it might heal the patient, but then they develop bad side effects six months later. Or the patient is healed, and the reasonable decision is made to wean said patient off of the psychiatric medication to see if they can maintain their health sans regular intake of psychotropics, only to have severe withdrawal, or for the psychiatric illness to come back with a vengeance and cause all of their progress to evaporate over the course of a week or two. Or nothing ever fully works and a patient lives their entire life having recurring cycles of relative health followed by mental illness, a cycle that negatively impacts and limits their social and emotional functioning from cradle to grave

Psychiatric illness is a serious fucking matter and if left unattended is just as capable of killing you as a heart attack. Because it has the stigma it has, and because some mostly healthy people on the internet once got over a blue spell by taking up weight lifting or mountain biking plus cutting out drinking, there's a lot of impetus for people, especially men, to try to pretend that psychiatric illnesses are less real and less serious than heart disease or cancer. Among middle-aged white men in America, blowing your brains out or overdosing on drugs is among the most popular way to die. If that doesn't get people to get over themselves and treat a medical problem as a medical problem, I don't know what will.

Of course, it's about pairing the appropriate treatment to each individual case. Some people do definitely have some kind of imbalance, but the vast majority of people on medication do not have these kind of conditions.

The reason why I suggest a lifestyle change is because it's relatively sideeffect free and if it's not working then get on the meds. However we seem to live in a time where meds are being handed out like candy.

RedEye9 wrote on May 20, 2017, 22:12:

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 21:47:

Depends on how you're measuring. People that look after themselves (and some with pure luck and medication) are able to live to 120ish. That would definitely make 65 around the middle :-)

This is how the real world is measuring.
There are only 300–450 living supercentenarians in the world. Your probability is .48% of making it to 100. If you are a woman it's 1.66%.

So increase your probability ;-)

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 18:24:
A lifestyle change is so much better. Just get away from it all, live in nature, or move to a country where things things are cheap and life is simple.

That's great advice except when it doesn't work. Healthier habits, regular exercise, a more active social and sex life, and a nutritious diet are all great places to start when you are experiencing a mood disorder or psychiatric illness. In many cases, that's all that's needed. In many other cases, it doesn't help at all, and the patient keeps getting worse and worse. Then, a lucky prescription might turn everything around. Or it might not. Or it might heal the patient, but then they develop bad side effects six months later. Or the patient is healed, and the reasonable decision is made to wean said patient off of the psychiatric medication to see if they can maintain their health sans regular intake of psychotropics, only to have severe withdrawal, or for the psychiatric illness to come back with a vengeance and cause all of their progress to evaporate over the course of a week or two. Or nothing ever fully works and a patient lives their entire life having recurring cycles of relative health followed by mental illness, a cycle that negatively impacts and limits their social and emotional functioning from cradle to grave

Psychiatric illness is a serious fucking matter and if left unattended is just as capable of killing you as a heart attack. Because it has the stigma it has, and because some mostly healthy people on the internet once got over a blue spell by taking up weight lifting or mountain biking plus cutting out drinking, there's a lot of impetus for people, especially men, to try to pretend that psychiatric illnesses are less real and less serious than heart disease or cancer. Among middle-aged white men in America, blowing your brains out or overdosing on drugs is among the most popular way to die. If that doesn't get people to get over themselves and treat a medical problem as a medical problem, I don't know what will.

In the words of the Great Hair-Guy himself (no, not Him, the other one not currently taking up space in the Oval office):

https://tinyurl.com/mxgofnr


~Finis~

bigspender wrote on May 20, 2017, 21:47:

Depends on how you're measuring. People that look after themselves (and some with pure luck and medication) are able to live to 120ish. That would definitely make 65 around the middle :-)

This is how the real world is measuring.
There are only 300–450 living supercentenarians in the world. Your probability is .48% of making it to 100. If you are a woman it's 1.66%.

Cutter wrote on May 20, 2017, 12:16:
52 is not middle-aged, that's long past it. 35-40 is middle-aged. I know we're all vain enough we like to think we're not getting old...that old...but that's the reality. It's almost comical and more than a little sad they'd refer to middle-aged as 45-65. 65? Really? Let's - society - adopt a rule, ok? When you hit the big Five Oh you're officially past middle-age. Anything else is vanity.

Depends on how you're measuring. People that look after themselves (and some with pure luck and medication) are able to live to 120ish. That would definitely make 65 around the middle :-)

And it's not as if the other 60 years of your life need to be lived with a poor quality of life either (as many people do between 50-80). You could be like this guy still operating on people at age 95! https://goo.gl/idp7vb

Cutter wrote on May 20, 2017, 12:16:
So, Blue, do black cars look better in the shade?

Yeah, they need to do way more to combat Lyme.

That journalist is pretty fucking stupid. So he luckily survives being killed than gets up to stand back in the middle of the street as an easy target for shot #2. Reminds me of the opening scene in Private Ryan where the guy's helmet gets shot and he takes it off to look at it then gets his brains blown out.

52 is not middle-aged, that's long past it. 35-40 is middle-aged. I know we're all vain enough we like to think we're not getting old...that old...but that's the reality. It's almost comical and more than a little sad they'd refer to middle-aged as 45-65. 65? Really? Let's - society - adopt a rule, ok? When you hit the big Five Oh you're officially past middle-age. Anything else is vanity.

Watch the video again Cutter and after the shot fired look at whats behind them on the sidewalk. Ya know the board with white flag/sheet on it.

Re: CDC warns about parasites, toxic gas at public pools.

This is the second story I've seen in the past few days about crypto in pools that correctly states chlorine will not take care of this organism. But none have stated what will, better filtration that achieves absolute 1 micron filtration. It is easier/cheaper to throw more chlorine at the problem than to upgrade a filtration system.

Mr. Tact wrote on May 20, 2017, 15:29:

jdreyer wrote on May 20, 2017, 14:30:

VaranDragon wrote on May 20, 2017, 11:37:
Im going to make an educated guess and say that it's not an alien megalithic structure that's causing the dip in the star's brightness.

Occam's razor says it's aliens. Obviously.

I wish it would turn out to be aliens, because it would be so damn cool/interesting/terrifying. The "broken up planet" idea I heard recently didn't seem like too far of a stretch...

not likely. even a massive planet like jupiter would only dim a star by less than 1%. breaking it up would dim it even less.

Cornell's wife has disputed that ruling and suggested her late husband's anti-anxiety medication may have played a role

That would have definitely been it. Benzo's will fuck you up more than whatever disease you might have. I would be looking to sue the doctor(s) that prescribe this shit to people.

A lifestyle change is so much better. Just get away from it all, live in nature, or move to a country where things things are cheap and life is simple.

Poor Chris, he looked really messed up watching footage from his last few shows. He moved like he was underwater because of the meds.

jdreyer wrote on May 20, 2017, 14:30:

VaranDragon wrote on May 20, 2017, 11:37:
Im going to make an educated guess and say that it's not an alien megalithic structure that's causing the dip in the star's brightness.

Occam's razor says it's aliens. Obviously.

I wish it would turn out to be aliens, because it would be so damn cool/interesting/terrifying. The "broken up planet" idea I heard recently didn't seem like too far of a stretch...

VaranDragon wrote on May 20, 2017, 11:37:
Im going to make an educated guess and say that it's not an alien megalithic structure that's causing the dip in the star's brightness.

Occam's razor says it's aliens. Obviously.

VaranDragon wrote on May 20, 2017, 11:37:
Im going to make an educated guess and say that it's not an alien megalithic structure that's causing the dip in the star's brightness.

You obviously haven't seen my ex wife!

VaranDragon wrote on May 20, 2017, 11:37:
Im going to make an educated guess

are you an astrophysicist? or an astronomer? exactly which "education" are you speaking of here?

So, Blue, do black cars look better in the shade?

Yeah, they need to do way more to combat Lyme.

That journalist is pretty fucking stupid. So he luckily survives being killed than gets up to stand back in the middle of the street as an easy target for shot #2. Reminds me of the opening scene in Private Ryan where the guy's helmet gets shot and he takes it off to look at it then gets his brains blown out.

52 is not middle-aged, that's long past it. 35-40 is middle-aged. I know we're all vain enough we like to think we're not getting old...that old...but that's the reality. It's almost comical and more than a little sad they'd refer to middle-aged as 45-65. 65? Really? Let's - society - adopt a rule, ok? When you hit the big Five Oh you're officially past middle-age. Anything else is vanity.

Party pooper! But, yeah... not likely.

Im going to make an educated guess and say that it's not an alien megalithic structure that's causing the dip in the star's brightness.