Rigs wrote on May 12, 2017, 20:33:

eRe4s3r wrote on May 12, 2017, 17:32:

RedEye9 wrote on May 12, 2017, 16:55:

eRe4s3r wrote on May 12, 2017, 16:48:
While we are on about debunking movies and depictions of Mars, let's start with Life on Mars and the intro storm that triggered it all, well, it was complete non-scientific BS. (surprise surprise)
NASA: Fact and fiction of martian dust storms

TL;DR -> The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, and at 10% atmospheric density that means you literally couldn't even feel it inside anything that is made of any kind of solid material. A rocket lander can't be toppled by dust storms on Mars. The worst it might do is put a bit of sand on your solar panels.

And by the way, that sand? It's sticky as hell, it sticks to literally everything and maybe worse, it carries a static charge like nothing else. This is why you REALLY need to put your solar panels underneath domes too. Wind Power is completely out of consideration. The atmosphere is so thin (see above wind speeds -> 10% of earth) that you can't generate any worthwhile power.

Who cleans the domes, i see a future for the mafia yet.
Fake news Movies are fake, sad.
We gotta debunk fictional flicks now?.

Yeah, yeah we really do

Tons of people got really wrong ideas and conceptions about Mars (Starts with "Red planet" and ends with sand). And that movie in particular is the primary recent culprit. The way dusty sand behaves on Mars is so alien to our conceptions about dust that it needs to be hammered in again and again. Don't think of dust on Mars or even the Moon like sand on a beach. This stuff is like abrasive glue from hell. On the Moon, you have the added benefit of no wind, and believe me when I say, no wind + abrasive glue from hell is a lot better than abrasive glue from hell that flies around everywhere. On Mars, you got plenty of mild wind, and that makes Mars 1000000x worse for big unshielded domes When I say domes for solar panels, I really mean you need to fortify them in a sealed bunker during a dust storm. If you get that dust on them then every time you clean it you lose efficiency. Even a see-through dome would eventually become opaque.

The joke is, so far we haven't had any realistic mars colony sim AT ALL. They all got Mars wrong more or less, mostly more.

So, um, when are you scheduled to go back? Or did they 'lay' a super fast fiber optic pipeline across five Lagrange points between here and Mars that I didn't know about?

=-Rigs-=

Hehe, Sadly all of this you can learn from NASA websites and KSP science forum topics (Elon Musk presented his "Mars Project" a while back and there were lots of in depth discussions about it there) ^^ And Nasa has some really interesting in-depth analysis on how viable colonies are on Mars.

And they made some interesting maps, like this one here -> https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/Mars_radiation.jpg

Or something like this ->

they advocate creating a dedicated radiation shelter (located in a hollow water tank) inside their Mars Transit Habitat

Plans for a Mars colony are surprisingly far, the only problem is that all colony plans depend on robots building the colony first. You can't get there and not have properly radiation shielded buildings awaiting you. And last I heard sintering wasn't useful for that.

That said, SOME scientists think that solar power on Mars would be fine assuming you avoid sandstorms and bring a brush*
https://www.universetoday.com/21293/despite-dust-storms-solar-power-is-best-for-mars-colonies/

Although you'd have to lug tons of batteries with you too, and you can't repair nor replace them easily...

This comment was edited on May 12, 2017, 22:43.

eRe4s3r wrote on May 12, 2017, 17:32:
Yeah, yeah we really do

Tons of people got really wrong ideas and conceptions about Mars (Starts with "Red planet" and ends with sand). And that movie in particular is the primary recent culprit. The way dusty sand behaves on Mars is so alien to our conceptions about dust that it needs to be hammered in again and again. Don't think of dust on Mars or even the Moon like sand on a beach. This stuff is like abrasive glue from hell. On the Moon, you have the added benefit of no wind, and believe me when I say, no wind + abrasive glue from hell is a lot better than abrasive glue from hell that flies around everywhere. On Mars, you got plenty of mild wind, and that makes Mars 1000000x worse for big unshielded domes When I say domes for solar panels, I really mean you need to fortify them in a sealed bunker during a dust storm. If you get that dust on them then every time you clean it you lose efficiency. Even a see-through dome would eventually become opaque.

The joke is, so far we haven't had any realistic mars colony sim AT ALL. They all got Mars wrong more or less, mostly more.

So, um, when are you scheduled to go back? Or did they 'lay' a super fast fiber optic pipeline across five Lagrange points between here and Mars that I didn't know about?

=-Rigs-=

This comment was edited on Mar 3, 2018, 21:12.

Ripperjack wrote on May 12, 2017, 15:28:
This trailer would have been a million times more awesome, if they had George Takei to narrate it.

Either him, or Shatner or Patrick Stewart would have been epic.

RedEye9 wrote on May 12, 2017, 16:55:

eRe4s3r wrote on May 12, 2017, 16:48:

SpectralMeat wrote on May 12, 2017, 12:02:

BobBob wrote on May 12, 2017, 11:49:
The surface of Mars does not look red when you're on it.

Explained.

Thanks man, that's some pretty interesting stuff.

While we are on about debunking movies and depictions of Mars, let's start with Life on Mars and the intro storm that triggered it all, well, it was complete non-scientific BS. (surprise surprise)
NASA: Fact and fiction of martian dust storms

TL;DR -> The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, and at 10% atmospheric density that means you literally couldn't even feel it inside anything that is made of any kind of solid material. A rocket lander can't be toppled by dust storms on Mars. The worst it might do is put a bit of sand on your solar panels.

And by the way, that sand? It's sticky as hell, it sticks to literally everything and maybe worse, it carries a static charge like nothing else. This is why you REALLY need to put your solar panels underneath domes too. Wind Power is completely out of consideration. The atmosphere is so thin (see above wind speeds -> 10% of earth) that you can't generate any worthwhile power.

Who cleans the domes, i see a future for the mafia yet.
Fake news Movies are fake, sad.
We gotta debunk fictional flicks now?.

Yeah, yeah we really do

Tons of people got really wrong ideas and conceptions about Mars (Starts with "Red planet" and ends with sand). And that movie in particular is the primary recent culprit. The way dusty sand behaves on Mars is so alien to our conceptions about dust that it needs to be hammered in again and again. Don't think of dust on Mars or even the Moon like sand on a beach. This stuff is like abrasive glue from hell. On the Moon, you have the added benefit of no wind, and believe me when I say, no wind + abrasive glue from hell is a lot better than abrasive glue from hell that flies around everywhere. On Mars, you got plenty of mild wind, and that makes Mars 1000000x worse for big unshielded domes When I say domes for solar panels, I really mean you need to fortify them in a sealed bunker during a dust storm. If you get that dust on them then every time you clean it you lose efficiency. Even a see-through dome would eventually become opaque.

The joke is, so far we haven't had any realistic mars colony sim AT ALL. They all got Mars wrong more or less, mostly more.

eRe4s3r wrote on May 12, 2017, 16:48:

SpectralMeat wrote on May 12, 2017, 12:02:

BobBob wrote on May 12, 2017, 11:49:
The surface of Mars does not look red when you're on it.

Explained.

Thanks man, that's some pretty interesting stuff.

While we are on about debunking movies and depictions of Mars, let's start with Life on Mars and the intro storm that triggered it all, well, it was complete non-scientific BS. (surprise surprise)
NASA: Fact and fiction of martian dust storms

TL;DR -> The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, and at 10% atmospheric density that means you literally couldn't even feel it inside anything that is made of any kind of solid material. A rocket lander can't be toppled by dust storms on Mars. The worst it might do is put a bit of sand on your solar panels.

And by the way, that sand? It's sticky as hell, it sticks to literally everything and maybe worse, it carries a static charge like nothing else. This is why you REALLY need to put your solar panels underneath domes too. Wind Power is completely out of consideration. The atmosphere is so thin (see above wind speeds -> 10% of earth) that you can't generate any worthwhile power.

Who cleans the domes, i see a future for the mafia yet.
Fake news Movies are fake, sad.
We gotta debunk fictional flicks now?.

SpectralMeat wrote on May 12, 2017, 12:02:

BobBob wrote on May 12, 2017, 11:49:
The surface of Mars does not look red when you're on it.

Explained.

Thanks man, that's some pretty interesting stuff.

While we are on about debunking movies and depictions of Mars, let's start with Life on Mars and the intro storm that triggered it all, well, it was complete non-scientific BS. (surprise surprise)
NASA: Fact and fiction of martian dust storms

TL;DR -> The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, and at 10% atmospheric density that means you literally couldn't even feel it inside anything that is made of any kind of solid material. A rocket lander can't be toppled by dust storms on Mars. The worst it might do is put a bit of sand on your solar panels.

And by the way, that sand? It's sticky as hell, it sticks to literally everything and maybe worse, it carries a static charge like nothing else. This is why you REALLY need to put your solar panels underneath domes too. Wind Power is completely out of consideration. The atmosphere is so thin (see above wind speeds -> 10% of earth) that you can't generate any worthwhile power.

In fact this trailer here got it all wrong

This comment was edited on May 12, 2017, 17:03.

Forget celebrities. Go for the real deal.

This trailer would have been a million times more awesome, if they had George Takei to narrate it.

Well what about the 80s song Might As Well Be On Mars by the Pukka Orchestra. Great tune.

BobBob wrote on May 12, 2017, 11:49:
The surface of Mars does not look red when you're on it.

Explained.

Thanks man, that's some pretty interesting stuff.

The surface of Mars does not look red when you're on it.

Explained.

Looks like this will be the more grown up version of Planetbase