MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 17:00:
I'm kind of curious, I want to find some real numbers on the total number of Wasteland 2 sales... supposedly the game sold over 400,000 copies on Steam alone? That's surprising, and if true, that makes the Wasteland 3 investment more appealing, I guess.

Well, according to Steamspy there's >650K owners of Wasteland 2 on steam. http://steamspy.com/app/240760

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 17:00:
There is also the caveat that the board of directors have discretion for any returns over 70%, not sure how that is going to play out at all either.

Yeah, that right there screams "Run! RUN AWAY!" to me.

Creston wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 11:53:
I would highly advice anyone thinking of investing to wait until fig has actually at least once paid out such an investment return. Because it all seems way too susceptible to the "I know we sold 40 million copies at full retail, but we made no profits at all, honest!" Hollywood Accounting(tm) shenanigans to me.

They explain the math a bit if you look a little deeper on the site, it's somewhat unfavorable to investors, in my opinion. I would only ever recommend doing a pledge just to get the game cheaper than retail, but some people may want to add some extras.

Looking at the Investment for Wasteland 3 for example:

The game needs to sell 296,600 copies !?!? in order for the investors to break even. Now, I'm looking forward to Wasteland 3 with great anticipation, but I doubt it'll approach 300k sales anytime soon. I'm also not sure what the time limit is, ie. 5 years down the line when the game sells more than 300k copies, mostly on sale, are you already considered 'out' in terms of distributions, etc.

I'm kind of curious, I want to find some real numbers on the total number of Wasteland 2 sales... supposedly the game sold over 400,000 copies on Steam alone? That's surprising, and if true, that makes the Wasteland 3 investment more appealing, I guess.

There is also the caveat that the board of directors have discretion for any returns over 70%, not sure how that is going to play out at all either.

I'm cheap enough that I will never invest, but they clearly have gotten more than a few people on Pillars 2 and Wasteland 3. I'm actually pretty interested to see how this Fig thing turns out in a year or two.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 01:02:

jdreyer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 23:19:
This looks pretty good. A bit short on cash right now, but if it hasn't been pulled in 30 days, I may back.

What is Fig? Never heard of it.

Fig, you can Pledge(standard Kickstarter style, money for a project, get a game+whatever extras at the end) or you can Invest.

The investments seem to start at a much higher monetary value, Pillars of Eternity 2 investment was $1000 minimum, but there was the chance for a more substantial return on the investment, assuming the game does well.

Full Disclosure, I have only pledged, never invested on Fig, not interested in investing like that in games personally. Fig is run by game developers/industry people such as Brian Fargo, Feargus Urquhart, and Tim Schafer, among others.

PoEt 2 got less total donations, but gathered more money than PoEt 1(pre-release) through investments/pledges/matching investments from Fig.

Wasteland 3 was also on there, successfully funded, and now Phoenix Point.

tl,dr: alternative to Kickstarter, might be a bit more financially helpful to game developers. Slightly different model.

I would highly advice anyone thinking of investing to wait until fig has actually at least once paid out such an investment return. Because it all seems way too susceptible to the "I know we sold 40 million copies at full retail, but we made no profits at all, honest!" Hollywood Accounting(tm) shenanigans to me.

GinRummy wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 08:36:
So you had your chance.

Darn

JaguarUSF wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 05:52:

Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:41:
Is it good?

I love love love Chaos Reborn. Here's me reviewing it.

Watching now.

Pr()ZaC wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 21:46:
Pity it costs 30 bucks to get the digital copy of the game.I'd back it for 20.

If you had backed anything on Fig before you should have gotten an early backer pledge access, like I did, that let you back for $20 a couple days early. Alternately, for most of the first day it went public it had an early bird of $25 for those who were quick on the ball. So you had your chance.

If you're diligent you might be able to catch a window where one of the early bird backers upgrades their pledge and opens a spot. I've managed to do that on a couple Kickstarter projects late.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:06:
What the hell, this looks AWESOME! I will back it for 30 at least. But, what kind of studio are they working in, haha!? He's walking around with an oil lantern, and it's a dark, dank brick interior. Just make the game cool, Julian, no need to punish your workers.

I think thats called scenography. This is basically an advert.

With that said, the gameplay and setting looks interesting. Sort of a cross between XCOM, the Thing and The Mist. Wonder if there will be any research, unlocks, base building going on. Wasn't mentioned in the video.

ETA: Q4, 2018.

*edit* Seems reseach is in, as is soldier advancement, equipment unlocks etc. Written below in the description.

Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:41:
Is it good?

I love love love Chaos Reborn. Here's me reviewing it.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 26, 2017, 01:02:

jdreyer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 23:19:
This looks pretty good. A bit short on cash right now, but if it hasn't been pulled in 30 days, I may back.

What is Fig? Never heard of it.

Fig, you can Pledge(standard Kickstarter style, money for a project, get a game+whatever extras at the end) or you can Invest.

The investments seem to start at a much higher monetary value, Pillars of Eternity 2 investment was $1000 minimum, but there was the chance for a more substantial return on the investment, assuming the game does well.

Full Disclosure, I have only pledged, never invested on Fig, not interested in investing like that in games personally. Fig is run by game developers/industry people such as Brian Fargo, Feargus Urquhart, and Tim Schafer, among others.

PoEt 2 got less total donations, but gathered more money than PoEt 1(pre-release) through investments/pledges/matching investments from Fig.

Wasteland 3 was also on there, successfully funded, and now Phoenix Point.

tl,dr: alternative to Kickstarter, might be a bit more financially helpful to game developers. Slightly different model.

Thanks for the explanation MLTS. That's an interesting funding system.

jdreyer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 23:19:
This looks pretty good. A bit short on cash right now, but if it hasn't been pulled in 30 days, I may back.

What is Fig? Never heard of it.

Fig, you can Pledge(standard Kickstarter style, money for a project, get a game+whatever extras at the end) or you can Invest.

The investments seem to start at a much higher monetary value, Pillars of Eternity 2 investment was $1000 minimum, but there was the chance for a more substantial return on the investment, assuming the game does well.

Full Disclosure, I have only pledged, never invested on Fig, not interested in investing like that in games personally. Fig is run by game developers/industry people such as Brian Fargo, Feargus Urquhart, and Tim Schafer, among others.

PoEt 2 got less total donations, but gathered more money than PoEt 1(pre-release) through investments/pledges/matching investments from Fig.

Wasteland 3 was also on there, successfully funded, and now Phoenix Point.

tl,dr: alternative to Kickstarter, might be a bit more financially helpful to game developers. Slightly different model.

This looks pretty good. A bit short on cash right now, but if it hasn't been pulled in 30 days, I may back.

What is Fig? Never heard of it.

Beamer wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:41:

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:06:
*EDIT 2* $30 and up pledges also come with a key for Chaos Reborn, his recent strategy game.

I backed Chaos Reborn at a fairly high level, I think name in credits and everything. Never even downloaded it.

Part of the issue is it came with early access, and I didn't want to play something not complete, and I never figured out when it was complete. Never saw coverage, never saw reviews. Is it good?

Also, didn't he recently announce a turn based game? Or was that someone else doing something inspired by him? Other than the one from the FTL guys.

Well, I got Chaos Reborn on some deep sale or bundle on Gog, but it's pretty deep in the queue, haven't played it yet. Reviews seem pretty good for it though, on Gog and Steam. I was just pointing out that the $30 price tag isn't so bad, basically 20 bucks for Phoenix Point, 10 for Chaos Reborn.

Phoenix Point looks it's way more up my alley than Chaos Reborn is, but I will get to CR... eventually.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Apr 25, 2017, 22:06:
*EDIT 2* $30 and up pledges also come with a key for Chaos Reborn, his recent strategy game.

I backed Chaos Reborn at a fairly high level, I think name in credits and everything. Never even downloaded it.

Part of the issue is it came with early access, and I didn't want to play something not complete, and I never figured out when it was complete. Never saw coverage, never saw reviews. Is it good?

Also, didn't he recently announce a turn based game? Or was that someone else doing something inspired by him? Other than the one from the FTL guys.

What the hell, this looks AWESOME! I will back it for 30 at least. But, what kind of studio are they working in, haha!? He's walking around with an oil lantern, and it's a dark, dank brick interior. Just make the game cool, Julian, no need to punish your workers.

Was this the game they were working on years ago? It must be, the X-Com-ish new Gollop game. I thought the art style for that was a bit different... but I may be confusing it with some other project.

*EDIT* Plus I already broke my Fig cherry with Pillars 2, no excuses (aside from common sense to avoid crowdfunding! ) left.

*EDIT 2* $30 and up pledges also come with a key for Chaos Reborn, his recent strategy game.

I chipped in for this. His games have always been good, although I hope the design doesn't turn out to be too ambitious.

Me likes the V.A.T.S. inspired aiming and some of the Resident Evil-esque enemies.
Pity it costs 30 bucks to get the digital copy of the game.
I'd back it for 20.

damn that looks bad ass