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30. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 25, 2017, 04:16 jdreyer
 
Flatline wrote on Apr 24, 2017, 14:07:
I just sat in on a briefing with John Deere on their industrial level equipment that has this software.

The funny thing is that they make a big deal of saying "the data belongs to you!"

I had to bite my tongue to say "yeah but the equipment doesn't!"

You should have said it. Even if they could have ID'd ya.
 
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29. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 24, 2017, 14:07 Flatline
 
I just sat in on a briefing with John Deere on their industrial level equipment that has this software.

The funny thing is that they make a big deal of saying "the data belongs to you!"

I had to bite my tongue to say "yeah but the equipment doesn't!"
 
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28. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 24, 2017, 01:50 jdreyer
 
panbient wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 21:33:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:55:
John Deere just told the copyright office that only corporations can own property, humans can only license it.

Welcome to the corporatocracy. Here's the distillation of the article:

GM went so far as to argue locking people out helps innovation. That’s like saying locking up books will inspire kids to be innovative writers, because they won’t be tempted to copy passages from a Hemingway novel. Meanwhile, outside of Bizarroland, actual technology experts—including the Electronic Frontier Foundation—have consistently labeled the DMCA an innovation killer. They insist that, rather than stopping content pirates, language in the DMCA has been used to stifle competition and expand corporate control over the life (and afterlife) of products.

Funny, that DMCA complaint pretty much sums up the entirety of the complaints about the Canadian Radio and Tele-Communication Canadian Content laws. Initially intended to promote and support Canadian media instead it turned into "here's your once an hour Bryan Adams / Barenaked Ladies / Celine Dion / Shania Twain / Tragically Hip / Guess Who song".

New material? Oh, no no no, that would be risky and people might not instantly recognize it as inherently Canadian. If you want real success in Canadian media you bleach your white bread until it shines then tattoo a Maple Leaf on your face just the same as the old guys did decades ago.

Also, no Rush?
 
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27. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 24, 2017, 01:45 jdreyer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 11:51:
"John Deere just told the copyright office that only corporations can own property, humans can only license it."

Hmm, is there some way to tie in the Citizens United ruling here... corporations are people, if corporations can own property, then people can own property.. seems logical to me.

It's nice being a corporation. You can do whatever you like, but never go to jail.
 
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26. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 22:28 Mr. Tact
 
I wonder.. I assume other tractor/farm equipment manufacturers must be taking similar action or supporting Deere? I mean, John Deere might be the biggest (an assumption only) but they are far from the only. So, if the others were not doing this you'd assume there would be stampede to the competitors. Of course, that isn't much help if you already own a multi- $100k tractor from John Deere...  
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25. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 21:33 panbient
 
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:55:
John Deere just told the copyright office that only corporations can own property, humans can only license it.

Welcome to the corporatocracy. Here's the distillation of the article:

GM went so far as to argue locking people out helps innovation. That’s like saying locking up books will inspire kids to be innovative writers, because they won’t be tempted to copy passages from a Hemingway novel. Meanwhile, outside of Bizarroland, actual technology experts—including the Electronic Frontier Foundation—have consistently labeled the DMCA an innovation killer. They insist that, rather than stopping content pirates, language in the DMCA has been used to stifle competition and expand corporate control over the life (and afterlife) of products.

Funny, that DMCA complaint pretty much sums up the entirety of the complaints about the Canadian Radio and Tele-Communication Canadian Content laws. Initially intended to promote and support Canadian media instead it turned into "here's your once an hour Bryan Adams / Barenaked Ladies / Celine Dion / Shania Twain / Tragically Hip / Guess Who song".

New material? Oh, no no no, that would be risky and people might not instantly recognize it as inherently Canadian. If you want real success in Canadian media you bleach your white bread until it shines then tattoo a Maple Leaf on your face just the same as the old guys did decades ago.
 
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24. Re: Report on comment 1131750 Apr 23, 2017, 16:03 Orogogus
 
descender wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 11:13:
Rehabilitation works because it works, not because of your latent racism.

Latent, my ass.
 
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23. No subject Apr 23, 2017, 14:30 MeanJim
 
John Deere, you just guaranteed that I will never own or license anything from your company, ever.  
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22. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 12:29 HorrorScope
 
Slick wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 04:40:
Someone had to do it... it's "Voilà" not "Viola" which is a string instrument, and definitely not "Walla" which is just baby-talk. :<

I'm getting closer!
 
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21. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 12:00 Beamer
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 10:37:
Historically, deterrence and prohibition on the sociocriminal level never worked. And the US penal system is famous for its awfull rehabilitation rates, its better at producing more crime and violence from non-violent and petty criminals than doing the opposite. So you want more socioeconomic problems? Sure, get their ass in the anus pounder. What you want first on this side is a reform to WHAT WORKS and there are plenty of good examples from the scandinavian penal model, which is the most successfull in the world.

Leftists love to point to Sweden because 1) They've banned pointing out the obvious HBD angles and 2) it's full of Swedes.

But I don't observe the ban. The US has huge African and Mestizo populations, two of the most violent demographics in the world. If Sweden had our demographics, they'd be dealing with our problem, and their solutions would be more compelling. But maybe we'll find out, as they're busily importing a problematic demographic as we speak.

It's the same with socialism. The demographics of successfully socialist countries are usually what explains the success.

Are you claiming people of African and Mestizo heritage, that have never been anywhere near those regions, are inherently more violent?

Please stop posting.
 
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20. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 11:51 Mr. Tact
 
"John Deere just told the copyright office that only corporations can own property, humans can only license it."

Hmm, is there some way to tie in the Citizens United ruling here... corporations are people, if corporations can own property, then people can own property.. seems logical to me.
 
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19. Report on comment 1131750 Apr 23, 2017, 11:13 descender
 
murder has actually shot up substantially in America over the last few years
5% from an already historically low rate, not what I would call significant. Just as likely to be due to police murders now actually getting reported as murders than any angry black man effect you've dreamed up.

owing to the Ferguson Effect, and the consequent depolicing
Not a thing that actually "caused murders" and not a thing that actually happened.

improving trauma care has a lot to do with the long-term trend of falling murder rates.
Only expected to depress fatalities by 3-4% per year, insignificant.
You can't only look at the murder rate to determine overall decreases in crime because there are clearly other factors that depress the murder rate that still involve a crime being committed. Also, you can't wipe away a 40% reduction in murder rate over the last few decades with a 2 year increase.

Crime rates have been subject to a lot of book-cooking, while murder rates have not.
Absolute pulled out of your ass nonsense. You don't like the crime statistics so you ignore them for the one type of crime that has shown an increase over your convenient time period.

Rehabilitation works because it works, not because of your latent racism. Recidivism rates are what you should be looking at, and are why the US penal system is such a complete and utter failure.
 
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18. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 10:41 JohnQP
 
Deterrence works or it wouldn't be used in anything. The actual facts run contrary to your claims. If the US penal system made things worse than crime would have been increasing year over year, decade over decade, where it's been going down instead.

Naturalistic fallacy (ought from is) aside, murder has actually shot up substantially in America over the last few years, owing to the Ferguson Effect, and the consequent depolicing. Not that I'm arguing with the point you're making...

P.S., improving trauma care has a lot to do with the long-term trend of falling murder rates.

P.P.S., crime rates offer us much less reliable statistics than murder rates do. Crime rates have been subject to a lot of book-cooking, while murder rates have not.
 
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17. removed Apr 23, 2017, 10:37 JohnQP
 
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16. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 10:30 Wallshadows
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 00:44:
Stupid crimes like manslaughter and capital crimes like murder are virtually always crimes of passion.

I've always heard about crimes of passion but never really fully understood their significance when it came to where the perpetrator would fall on a scale of murder or manslaughter.

Is it the lack of pre-meditation? Is it more of a psychological trigger?
 
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15. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 10:10 NetHead
 
ZeroPike1 wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 14:48:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:59:
Russian man gets longest-ever US hacking sentence, 27 years in prison.

And yet people convicted of manslaughter routinely get half that.

Human life is getting cheaper by the day. But if you get your tractor fixed with third party parts, or hack into digital systems your life is over.


Disobey one corporation and become the property of another.
 
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14. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 09:51 RedEye9
 
NKD wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 22:56:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:59:
Russian man gets longest-ever US hacking sentence, 27 years in prison.

And yet people convicted of manslaughter routinely get half that.

I hate to skirt closely to giving a number value to human life, but this dude didn't hack some website to have Dickbutt on the front page. He committed zillions of counts of fraud and hundreds of millions of dollars of damage. I think that's enough to warrant some serious time, even if no one died.
Pointing out that you read and understood the article will get you no where around these parts.
 
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13. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 04:59 VaranDragon
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 00:44:
Wallshadows wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 23:47:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:59:
Russian man gets longest-ever US hacking sentence, 27 years in prison.

And yet people convicted of manslaughter routinely get half that.

Half that being lucky. The last murder which took place round here was something like 20 years ago. Dude got mad when he was cut off from drinking so he went to his truck, got a rifle and killed the person who cut him off.

Got a four year sentence which then got lowered to less than two.

Stupid crimes like manslaughter and capital crimes like murder are virtually always crimes of passion. And they almost always involve an altered state of mind due to psychosis, intelligence, but more likely drugs and/or alcohol. That's very much different organized crime where theft is the name of the game. This wasn't some clown robbing a corner store, this was exceptionally high-level stuff. So yeah, stiff sentences are warranted and needed.

Yup, I guess he just didn't steal enough. He could have stolen more as an investment banker and just got a fine and a slap on the wrist. I mean really, what an amateur.
 
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12. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 04:40 Slick
 
HorrorScope wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 16:29:
Aren't their stars and such that state you should incorporate yourself? Then viola (walla [snickers]), you to can now have enhanced rights beyond a mere mortal. When that settles in, you know there is something inherently devious about capitalism.

Someone had to do it... it's "Voilà" not "Viola" which is a string instrument, and definitely not "Walla" which is just baby-talk. :<
 
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11. Re: Saturday Legal Briefs Apr 23, 2017, 00:44 Cutter
 
Wallshadows wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 23:47:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 13:59:
Russian man gets longest-ever US hacking sentence, 27 years in prison.

And yet people convicted of manslaughter routinely get half that.

Half that being lucky. The last murder which took place round here was something like 20 years ago. Dude got mad when he was cut off from drinking so he went to his truck, got a rifle and killed the person who cut him off.

Got a four year sentence which then got lowered to less than two.

Stupid crimes like manslaughter and capital crimes like murder are virtually always crimes of passion. And they almost always involve an altered state of mind due to psychosis, intelligence, but more likely drugs and/or alcohol. That's very much different organized crime where theft is the name of the game. This wasn't some clown robbing a corner store, this was exceptionally high-level stuff. So yeah, stiff sentences are warranted and needed.
 
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