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Happy Earth Day! I'm personally fond of the Earth, as I spend much of my time here. Here's hoping we can find better ways to balance our civilization with nature, though that may require focusing on the environment for a second day every year. I know, I'm one of those radicals.

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24. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 25, 2017, 04:19 jdreyer
 
bigspender wrote on Apr 24, 2017, 03:17:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 23:06:
bigspender wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 19:24:
Happy Earth Day!

Remember Less Meat = Less Heat :-)

Depends on the meat. If a bunch of humans got eaten that would have a positive effect on the environment I dare say.


LOL

Reminds me of Billy Connolly's plan to stop starvation and overpopulation. Everyone gets to eat one person they don't like haha

Heh. Wouldn't work for me though, been veg for decades. And thanks partly to you, mostly Ornish these days.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 24, 2017, 03:17 bigspender
 
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 23:06:
bigspender wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 19:24:
Happy Earth Day!

Remember Less Meat = Less Heat :-)

Depends on the meat. If a bunch of humans got eaten that would have a positive effect on the environment I dare say.


LOL

Reminds me of Billy Connolly's plan to stop starvation and overpopulation. Everyone gets to eat one person they don't like haha
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 24, 2017, 01:38 jdreyer
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 10:15:
Depends on the meat. If a bunch of humans got eaten that would have a positive effect on the environment I dare say.

Doesn't seem to be the case in Africa.

They just need to up their intake to have an effect.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 12:20 El Pit
 
Dacote wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 11:20:
JohnQP wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 10:09:

March for Science, a guaranteed republicon free event.

If there's anything about genetics or evolution, Democrats will be absent as well.
Those fact things like percentages are not in your favor. But keep trying, it's cute.
Significantly fewer Republicans believe in evolution than did so four years ago, setting them apart from Democrats and independents.


Well, Republicans make even me doubt evolution. I mean - evolution is about moving FORWARD as a species, right?
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 12:06 Nucas
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 10:09:

March for Science, a guaranteed republicon free event.

If there's anything about genetics or evolution, Democrats will be absent as well.

hahahah wishing that doesn't make it so, old sport.
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 11:20 Dacote
 
JohnQP wrote on Apr 23, 2017, 10:09:

March for Science, a guaranteed republicon free event.

If there's anything about genetics or evolution, Democrats will be absent as well.
Those fact things like percentages are not in your favor. But keep trying, it's cute.
Significantly fewer Republicans believe in evolution than did so four years ago, setting them apart from Democrats and independents.

 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 10:15 JohnQP
 
Or psychometrics, for that matter.

I think Cancer deaths are increasing as a result of improved diagnosis. Cancer has been killing people since the start of human race.

A big part of it is that people live longer. In other words, if you eliminate every cause of death except x, rates of x will tend to rise. Somethin's gotta kill ya...

you'll basically either die of Cancer or Heart Disease.

Yup.

Depends on the meat. If a bunch of humans got eaten that would have a positive effect on the environment I dare say.

Doesn't seem to be the case in Africa.
 
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 10:09 JohnQP
 

March for Science, a guaranteed republicon free event.

If there's anything about genetics or evolution, Democrats will be absent as well.
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 23, 2017, 00:45 Cutter
 
bigspender wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 19:24:
Happy Earth Day!

Remember Less Meat = Less Heat :-)

That's what she said. Hi-O! Biker
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 23:06 jdreyer
 
bigspender wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 19:24:
Happy Earth Day!

Remember Less Meat = Less Heat :-)

Depends on the meat. If a bunch of humans got eaten that would have a positive effect on the environment I dare say.

 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 22:08 Mr. Tact
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 22:03:
RIP Erin Moran from Happy Days
Was reasonably young, 56 -- hope it wasn't a drug thing.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 22:03 RedEye9
 
RIP Erin Moran from Happy Days  
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 19:26 Orogogus
 
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 17:24:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 17:05:
Cutter wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 15:45:
What's really amazing is that most cancer would never occur with a better standard of living and better diet and exercise.

I actually think this is semi-false. I believe diet has a large roll in cancers but exercise and standard of living would only have minimum affects. Take a look at Andy Whitfield, a man in his prime with diet and exercise and struck down with Lymphoma.


First the death of Andy is a single, anecdotal piece of evidence.

Second, the statistical evidence is pretty strong actually. Exercise can prevent some kinds of cancers in the 25-30% range, hardly a "minimum effect."

25-30% reduced risk is significantly different from cancer never occurring.
 
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 19:24 bigspender
 
Happy Earth Day!

Remember Less Meat = Less Heat :-)
 
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10. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 18:05 jdreyer
 
panbient wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 17:58:
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 14:03:
And here's how they caught them:

“When a lot of the fake peer reviews first came up, one of the reasons the editors spotted them was that the reviewers responded on time,” Wager told Ars. Reviewers almost always have to be chased, so “this was the red flag. And in a few cases, both the reviews would pop up within a few minutes of each other.”

Hilarious.

Reminds me of a major drug bust in Quebec a few years ago when the cops got lucky on a random traffic stop. The reason they pulled the driver over in the first place?

They were going the speed limit and using their turn signals, which seemed suspicious for a driver with Quebec plates on Quebec roads.

Not even half joking, that's the line they gave to the press.

Okay, now THAT is freakin hilarious.
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 17:58 panbient
 
jdreyer wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 14:03:
And here's how they caught them:

“When a lot of the fake peer reviews first came up, one of the reasons the editors spotted them was that the reviewers responded on time,” Wager told Ars. Reviewers almost always have to be chased, so “this was the red flag. And in a few cases, both the reviews would pop up within a few minutes of each other.”

Hilarious.

Reminds me of a major drug bust in Quebec a few years ago when the cops got lucky on a random traffic stop. The reason they pulled the driver over in the first place?

They were going the speed limit and using their turn signals, which seemed suspicious for a driver with Quebec plates on Quebec roads.

Not even half joking, that's the line they gave to the press.
 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 17:24 jdreyer
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 17:05:
Cutter wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 15:45:
What's really amazing is that most cancer would never occur with a better standard of living and better diet and exercise.

I actually think this is semi-false. I believe diet has a large roll in cancers but exercise and standard of living would only have minimum affects. Take a look at Andy Whitfield, a man in his prime with diet and exercise and struck down with Lymphoma.


First the death of Andy is a single, anecdotal piece of evidence.

Second, the statistical evidence is pretty strong actually. Exercise can prevent some kinds of cancers in the 25-30% range, hardly a "minimum effect."
 
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7. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 17:16 jdreyer
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 15:45:
Skeptic magazine did a full edition on the War on Cancer a year or two back. They found there was a lot of this. A lot of waste. A lot of deceit. And very little actual progress overall in spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars that's been poured into since the 1950s. A few of the less aggressive forms have seen some big gains but on the whole it was something like only a 17& reduction since the 50s. That's pretty mind-boggling given how much money is involved in that industry - and make no mistake it is that. What's really amazing is that most cancer would never occur with a better standard of living and better diet and exercise.


There's no money to be made in prevention. Why do you hate capitalism?
Are you a commie?
 
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6. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 17:05 Tipsy McStagger
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 22, 2017, 15:45:
What's really amazing is that most cancer would never occur with a better standard of living and better diet and exercise.

I actually think this is semi-false. I believe diet has a large roll in cancers but exercise and standard of living would only have minimum affects. Take a look at Andy Whitfield, a man in his prime with diet and exercise and struck down with Lymphoma.

I think Cancer deaths are increasing as a result of improved diagnosis. Cancer has been killing people since the start of human race.

I think the reason billions get invested into the cure is because you'll basically either die of Cancer or Heart Disease. Discovering the cure for cancer would be akin to being the forefathers of electricity.

Lots of wack jobs say "They have a cure but the pharmaceutical companies are hiding it because they make more off the treatments." which is a ludicrous statement for two reasons:
#1 - What scientist, even non-scientists like megalomaniac CEOs wouldn't want their name associated with curing it?
#2 - A cure would herald in more profits than you could imagine. Many people would take out a mortgage like loan on a cure for their cancer. Given, you need collateral.. but maybe that's where a futuristic dystopian society of slave labour might come in.

 
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5. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 22, 2017, 16:45 Dacote
 
While there are many successful treatments today that didn't exist just a couple decades ago, a wholesale "cure for cancer" remains elusive for many reasons. There are more than 100 types of cancer, characterized by abnormal cell growth. There are many different causes, ranging from radiation to chemicals to viruses; an individual has varying degrees of control over exposure to cancer-causing agents.

Cancer cells, and how they grow, remain unpredictable and in some cases mysterious. Even after seemingly effective treatments, crafty cancer cells are able to hide out in some patients and resurface.
http://www.livescience.com/11041-10-deadliest-cancers-cure.html
 
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