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I ended up letting the Gunnar-man roam the house without a doggie diaper yesterday, and he peed on the stove three different times. I don't know where this habit originated, but it has become completely ingrained (hence just giving up and diapering him). When we get a new stove that diaper's never coming off him. But it was a good way to celebrate National Pets Day. As for today, it's the anniversary of the first manned space flight by Yuri Gagarin back in 1961. That makes it Cosmonautics Day in Russia and some former Soviet territories, and the International Day of Human Space Flight elsewhere. Yesterday's stove episode was enough celebration for one week, so I think I'll skip launching myself into orbit today.

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30. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 17, 2017, 12:59 Ant
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 17, 2017, 12:14:
Ant wrote on Apr 16, 2017, 16:46:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 10:18:
I'm going diaperless on Easter.

Ew.
I still didn't pee on my stove even though it seemed like the thing to do.
I (pe/urinat)e in the rural backyard behind trees though.
 
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29. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 17, 2017, 12:14 RedEye9
 
Ant wrote on Apr 16, 2017, 16:46:
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 10:18:
I'm going diaperless on Easter.

Ew.
I still didn't pee on my stove even though it seemed like the thing to do.
 
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28. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 16, 2017, 16:46 Ant
 
RedEye9 wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 10:18:
I'm going diaperless on Easter.

Ew.
 
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27. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 22:41 Mr. Tact
 
Yeah. I found the Subaru one on YouTube -- which is similar. The dog getting in the car as a pup, then as an adult, then as an old dog...  



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26. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 20:41 Dacote
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 19:31:
Dacote wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 18:32:
I can't find the dog food commercial that shows a dog growing up but it brings me to tears ...
A Subaru commercial I think? Try searching on that...
Found it, IAMS "Casey", circa 1999?
https://vimeo.com/131214632
It will soon succumb to Internet linkrot.
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 19:31 Beamer
 
Quboid wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 16:46:
Blue wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 11:17:
He's 12-1/2 years old now

Bloody hell, what?!

I've never really thought about it but I imagined him being a young dog. I'm not sure why that surprises me so much but it seems like you were talking about him as a pup just a few years ago. They grow up so fast

Yeah, that was my thought: wow, I am (we are) old.
 



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24. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 19:31 Mr. Tact
 
Dacote wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 18:32:
I can't find the dog food commercial that shows a dog growing up but it brings me to tears ...
A Subaru commercial I think? Try searching on that...
 



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23. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 18:32 Dacote
 
I can't find the dog food commercial that shows a dog growing up but it brings me to tears, it ends with the dog slowing going up the stairs so this will have to do https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7QCh/iams-a-boy-and-his-dog-duck  
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 18:20  Blue 
 
Quboid wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 16:46:
Blue wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 11:17:
He's 12-1/2 years old now

Bloody hell, what?!

I've never really thought about it but I imagined him being a young dog. I'm not sure why that surprises me so much but it seems like you were talking about him as a pup just a few years ago. They grow up so fast

He's slowed down a bit over the years, but he remains very youthful. He has a submissive quality that makes him seem forever juvenile.

I can't speak for in the Cutterverse but in our universe, that's not likely to be unlearned in a hurry.

Who are we to argue with an expert?
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 17:53 Hoop
 
Astronauts wear diaper's, do you think its to prevent them from pissing all over the control board?  
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 17:37 Mr. Tact
 
Heard of doggy diapers, have/had no idea how common their use is. However, it seems like more than enough reason to bypass dog ownership, despite the fact I like dogs.  



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19. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 16:46 Quboid
 
Blue wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 11:17:
He's 12-1/2 years old now

Bloody hell, what?!

I've never really thought about it but I imagined him being a young dog. I'm not sure why that surprises me so much but it seems like you were talking about him as a pup just a few years ago. They grow up so fast

I can't speak for in the Cutterverse but in our universe, that's not likely to be unlearned in a hurry.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 16:36 Kxmode
 
Killer Kane wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 16:26:
I remember seeing some sort of "no spray" that deters this behavior

Windex. The Greeks know.
 
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 16:26 Killer Kane
 
I remember seeing some sort of "no spray" that deters this behavior  
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16. Re: Jupiter Has a Great 'Cold' Spot, Too. Apr 12, 2017, 15:13 Kxmode
 
Neptune: It's ALWAYS about you.
Jupiter: I can't help it. I'm kind of a big deal.
Saturn: Not that it MATTERS or anything...
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 14:46 Verno
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 14:23:
Well as someone who's had several dogs, and just about everyone I know has had them or still does, I've NEVER heard of this problem from any of them. I've NEVER heard of it at all in fact. The beauty of learned behavior is it can be unlearned. It's called operant conditioning. Sounds like you got bad advice. Seek elsewhere.

Here's the thing though, you aren't the center of the universe. There are a whole suite of things that happen all of the time regardless of your presence or awareness. Instead of pretending like things can't happen just because you haven't seen them occur, perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject.

I dated a woman who bred retrievers and sometimes the males will just mark the house regardless. The females wear a diaper for obvious reasons and the males often needed them too when they were acting out territorial/mating behavior. A male will often assert himself through marking as well and if there is uncertainty (moves, change of role, etc) this stuff manifests due to anxiety. You can't fix all animal behavioral problems with rewards and reinforcement by the way. Doggie diapers are often used in transition cycles of reinforcement by the way.
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 14:29 RedEye9
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 14:23:
Blue wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 11:17:
Cutter wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 10:24:
There must be a way of breaking him of that habit. I've never even heard of a dog wearing a diaper until now. Talk to some dog experts online. There must be professional trainers around where you live that can help.

This behavior is not a mystery. It's called marking. It came out in Gunnar after Hudson the wonder dog died. It may be from him being left alone on occasion for the first time in his life, and it's some form of separation anxiety. Or maybe it was him finally feeling like he was the top dog in the house.

We worked on this a long time and ended up falling back on the diaper at the recommendation of the vet, who pointed out that this may not feel as satisfying as curing him of the problem, but it has the effect we require, which is keeping the house pee free. He's 12-1/2 years old now, so I think we'll just deal with it this way rather than make everybody miserable trying to further correct it.

And in spite of you never having heard of them, what he wears is a common item called a "belly band." It's actually not altogether unusual for the marking habits of male dogs to extend into the house, and this is a typical way of dealing with them.

Well as someone who's had several dogs, and just about everyone I know has had them or still does, I've NEVER heard of this problem from any of them. I've NEVER heard of it at all in fact. The beauty of learned behavior is it can be unlearned. It's called operant conditioning. Sounds like you got bad advice. Seek elsewhere.
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 14:23 Cutter
 
Blue wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 11:17:
Cutter wrote on Apr 12, 2017, 10:24:
There must be a way of breaking him of that habit. I've never even heard of a dog wearing a diaper until now. Talk to some dog experts online. There must be professional trainers around where you live that can help.

This behavior is not a mystery. It's called marking. It came out in Gunnar after Hudson the wonder dog died. It may be from him being left alone on occasion for the first time in his life, and it's some form of separation anxiety. Or maybe it was him finally feeling like he was the top dog in the house.

We worked on this a long time and ended up falling back on the diaper at the recommendation of the vet, who pointed out that this may not feel as satisfying as curing him of the problem, but it has the effect we require, which is keeping the house pee free. He's 12-1/2 years old now, so I think we'll just deal with it this way rather than make everybody miserable trying to further correct it.

And in spite of you never having heard of them, what he wears is a common item called a "belly band." It's actually not altogether unusual for the marking habits of male dogs to extend into the house, and this is a typical way of dealing with them.

Well as someone who's had several dogs, and just about everyone I know has had them or still does, I've NEVER heard of this problem from any of them. I've NEVER heard of it at all in fact. The beauty of learned behavior is it can be unlearned. It's called operant conditioning. Sounds like you got bad advice. Seek elsewhere.
 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 13:45 El Pit
 
DAMN!!!! Michael Ballhaus, one of the greatest cinematographers ever, has died at age 81. He worked with the best directors (Coppola, Scorsese, Redford, and and and) and gave us brilliant photography for movies like The Departed, Gangs of New York, Bram Stoker's Dracula, GoodFellas, and many many more movies. This is a terrible loss for modern cinema and a very sad day for Hollywood and all movie fans.  



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11. Re: Out of the Blue Apr 12, 2017, 13:33 Dacote
 
Bill O'Reilly to go on vacation, hope it's permanent.  
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