WTF is Snuggle Truck?!?!

If I had a ballot, I'd put Donkey Kong, FF7, Solitaire and Myst in there.

Donkey Kong was probably one of the most iconic arcade cabinets of all time.

FF7 was groundbreaking at the time it came out, with the way it used polygons and 3d scenery, and it ushered in a new age of games.

Solitaire has been played by roughly 7 billion people.

And Myst, for whatever reason, was an iconic game that shifted umpteen million PCs.

The rest were good games (in many cases better than the four previously listed), but really didn't have that much of an influence or were just iterations on stuff that came before.

I could be persuaded for a case for Wii sports.

Why is Portal in this list and not Doom? I mean Portal was a nice little puzzle game and it was followed by some other puzzle games, but Doom basically started the whole FPS genre which Halo was only a small part off...

Wesp5 wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 10:54:
Why is Portal in this list and not Doom? I mean Portal was a nice little puzzle game and it was followed by some other puzzle games, but Doom basically started the whole FPS genre which Halo was only a small part off...

I said the Hall is a newb, but it is not brand new. Here's word on the current roster:

Inductees to the World Video Game Hall of Fame—DOOM, Grand Theft Auto III, The Legend of Zelda, The Oregon Trail, Pac-Man, Pong, The Sims, Sonic the Hedgehog, Space Invaders, Super Mario Bros., Tetris, and World of Warcraft—are on permanent view in the museum’s eGameRevolution exhibit.

You can cast a vote in their poll and select the game you'd most like to see inducted. That's about all we get.

Realistically most of these titles should be included since they all broke ground or led the way for other titles. Why they only induct one title per year, though... maybe it makes them seem more legit.

The most deserving titles are IMO Windows Solitaire and Donkey Kong. All those new games can go and wait another decade or two.

El Pit wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 11:53:
The most deserving titles are IMO Windows Solitaire and Donkey Kong. All those new games can go and wait another decade or two.

Along that line some of the early work by Ozark Softscape and Dan Bunten should already be in there - M.U.L.E.

Wii Sports, Portal and Halo should be replaced with Wolf 3D, Doom and Quake.

I don't think solitaire should be on the list at all. What exactly did it inspire other then millions of lost hours of work. Only reason it's so popular is it came with all the windows operating systems, it's just a card game.

Where's Warcraft? it only launched the entire RTS genre. Simcity? there's no Sims without Simcity. Halo, Portal pffft, more worthy FPS games deserve those spots.

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There's a metric ton you can put in there. Another 10 coin-ops for sure. Something on the 2600, Commodore/Atari PC/Amiga, pretty much any game that started a genre. It looks like they want to spread it out, but the first few classes should/could be huge like 20 each.

MajorD wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 10:46:
WTF is Snuggle Truck?!?!

It's actually a mobile game where you drive a truck and try to keep stuffed animals in it as you go over obstacles. Funny thing, the first version of this game was called Smuggle Truck and you had to try and smuggle mexicans over the border- much more interesting IMO.

http://smuggletruck.com

Yosemite Sam wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 13:35:

Where's Warcraft? it only launched the entire RTS genre.

As an RTS fan going back to the beginning, Nope....nope nope nope.

No to Solitarie because it's a card game that just happens to be on a computer. And it's not like people went out of their way to buy it it was just bundled with the OS. And certainly nothing that's platform exclusive either.

Yosemite Sam wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 13:35:
I don't think solitaire should be on the list at all. What exactly did it inspire other then millions of lost hours of work. Only reason it's so popular is it came with all the windows operating systems, it's just a card game.

Still, it happened. It was there. No other game was so popular (included with Windows). Yeah, it was the one that every bored office drone and grandma played, but there were others to choose from and the one you only ever heard about was Solitaire. So whether it was just a digital recreation of a simple card game, it doesn't matter. It's one of the only games you can talk about that anyone that's ever touched a Windows PC would know about and that got it into popular culture.

Where's Warcraft? it only launched the entire RTS genre. Simcity? there's no Sims without Simcity. Halo, Portal pffft, more worthy FPS games deserve those spots.

I'd venture to say that Dune would be a better choice as a founder of the genre. Before Dune, they were just 'strategy games'. As for 'more worthy FPS games', yes, there are others that are worthy of the title of best FPS or first, but not many can be said to have popular and social appeal. Nearly everyone knows Halo. It didn't start the FPS genre but it refined and redefined it, for better or worse, especially on consoles. Doom is already on the list and while Quake was better technical-wise, Doom is better known socially and that's more of what this list is about.

We've kinda got tunnel-vision because we deal with and know about games every day. We know the details. We know the history. The wider public does not. You have to remember that. You have to put aside your 'PC Master Race' ego and think about what your family and neighbors and co-workers would know and would think. Because that shows how far the industry and the games have come. Not just in our little ecosystem. Think bigger.

=-Rigs-=

LiTh wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 14:23:

Yosemite Sam wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 13:35:

Where's Warcraft? it only launched the entire RTS genre.

As an RTS fan going back to the beginning, Nope....nope nope nope.

The only thing before Warcraft was Dune II. Although Dune II would be considered the first RTS, it didn't really "launch" the genre, as it was far from a commercial success in any way. (and I'd bet almost everyone saying "Rah rah Dune II!" ironically actually played Warcraft first) I'd say Dune II influenced Warcraft, and Warcraft launched the genre.

I think most of the oldies on this board probably played Dune 2, and I don't know why you think it wasn't a commercial success. It got a lot of glowing reviews, it was huge in my dorm, and it's one of three games that my dad has ever played (the other two being Freecell and Sudoku).

Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.

Orogogus wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:54:
Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.

I think that goes all the way back to the roots.

Orogogus wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:54:
I think most of the oldies on this board probably played Dune 2, and I don't know why you think it wasn't a commercial success. It got a lot of glowing reviews, it was huge in my dorm, and it's one of three games that my dad has ever played (the other two being Freecell and Sudoku).

Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.

Because this list isn't simply a list of "First games in every genre". Final Fantasy...literally the guy who created it said he was heavily influenced by the Ultima games, yet I don't see them on here.

And really? Dune II/Warcraft was the first time you thought that one game copies another? C'mon man, you're really stretching here.

Jagacademy wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:58:

Orogogus wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 15:54:
I think most of the oldies on this board probably played Dune 2, and I don't know why you think it wasn't a commercial success. It got a lot of glowing reviews, it was huge in my dorm, and it's one of three games that my dad has ever played (the other two being Freecell and Sudoku).

Warcraft was the first and pretty much only game where I ever thought, "Holy shit, you can just copy someone else's game like this without getting sued?" Ever since then I've assumed the answer is yes, you can, and gameplay can't be copyrighted.

Because this list isn't simply a list of "First games in every genre". Final Fantasy...literally the guy who created it said he was heavily influenced by the Ultima games, yet I don't see them on here.

What question are you answering here? I don't think I suggested that the list should be the first genre games. But I think Dune 2 had a huge impact and I think it sold well.

And really? Dune II/Warcraft was the first time you thought that one game copies another? C'mon man, you're really stretching here.

It was the first one I ever played that copied a look and feel so closely. But in general, X-Wing kind of looks and plays like Wing Commander. Final Fantasy is like Ultima. Tons of RPGs have hit points and magic points. But Warcraft had the same map/minimap/unit profile screen layout, the same controls, the same fog of war, the building/harvest/unit gameplay. I knew how to play without opening the manual, which wasn't always a thing back then.

If you had an earlier experience that was that similar, what was it?

Creston wrote on Mar 29, 2017, 10:52:
If I had a ballot, I'd put Donkey Kong, FF7, Solitaire and Myst in there.

Donkey Kong was probably one of the most iconic arcade cabinets of all time.

FF7 was groundbreaking at the time it came out, with the way it used polygons and 3d scenery, and it ushered in a new age of games.

Solitaire has been played by roughly 7 billion people.

And Myst, for whatever reason, was an iconic game that shifted umpteen million PCs.

The rest were good games (in many cases better than the four previously listed), but really didn't have that much of an influence or were just iterations on stuff that came before.

I could be persuaded for a case for Wii sports.

You can't honestly tell me that Street Fighter 2 didn't have much of an influence on gaming.. it's literally the cornerstone of every fighting game that came after it.