jdreyer wrote on Mar 20, 2017, 05:33:
Dude, you know I love you, but when every single person in a thread comes to the same conclusion about something you have posted, you seriously need to revisit what you said and try and see if it matches up with what your thoughts were, cuz there's some serious miscommunication going on.
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 19, 2017, 12:30:
This speech from the 1993 film production of The Killer Angels, Gettysburg, seemed apropos to the conversation. To sum it up, no two people will ever be truly equal, but what matters is that we judge a person, not a group, and do all we can to treat each other justly and fairly.
Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 23:58:
It has now become appallingly clear that basic comprehension is almost gone. Not from all, but many of you. I've read all your follow-up comments, and while they are interesting, to say the least, I have no idea how many of you came up with your responses. The point I made have been as clear as possible about the racist viewpoints from a senior BioWare employee, and BioWare's continued support of his positions. Armed with that knowledge do whatever you wish. I will not buy MEA or any other BioWare titles while they keep this person on their payroll.
fin.
NewMaxx wrote on Mar 19, 2017, 06:52:
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 15:41:
but it wasn't white people who came here against their will in chains, to serve as chattel slaves, and then to be freed only to face lynchings and Jim Crow, and it wasn't white people who were driven from their lands and nearly hunted to extinction in the name of the "Progress of Civilization" and "Manifest Destiny".
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 15:41:
As an aside, while racism against whites certainly exists, generally speaking, when "Racism in America" is being discussed, it's a discussion of how a dominant racial group, i.e. whites, used their dominance to exploit and oppress certain minority races and religious and ethnic groups, and simultaneously enshrined that dominance into the law and broader social hierarchy. Black people and Native Americans are both capable of negatively stereotyping and prejudging white people, but it wasn't white people who came here against their will in chains, to serve as chattel slaves, and then to be freed only to face lynchings and Jim Crow, and it wasn't white people who were driven from their lands and nearly hunted to extinction in the name of the "Progress of Civilization" and "Manifest Destiny".
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 15:41:You mean there is not a corresponding video for white folk. Chris Rock - How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police!
As an aside, while racism against whites certainly exists, generally speaking, when "Racism in America" is being discussed, it's a discussion of how a dominant racial group, i.e. whites, used their dominance to exploit and oppress certain minority races and religious and ethnic groups, and simultaneously enshrined that dominance into the law and broader social hierarchy. Black people and Native Americans are both capable of negatively stereotyping and prejudging white people, but it wasn't white people who came here against their will in chains, to serve as chattel slaves, and then to be freed only to face lynchings and Jim Crow, and it wasn't white people who were driven from their lands and nearly hunted to extinction in the name of the "Progress of Civilization" and "Manifest Destiny".
jdreyer wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 05:42:Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 01:24:Actually, no. How do you go from "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" to "all white people are terrorists?" The fact is between 2001 and today, white right wing terrorists have killed more people than Islamic extremists. And white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement. So no, the vast majority of white people are not terrorists, but white extremism exists in the US, and is emboldened by Trump's election. It's a shame you don't read the news, or you would have caught wind of it: attacks on Jewish institutions and cemeteries, attacks on Indians under the incorrect assumption they are Arabic, among others. The reason EA stands by the tweets is that they are factually correct.Quboid wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 21:34:
Racism against whites certainly exists but I'm not seeing anything particularly awful in his tweets.
I don't read the news but I have to be angry about something. Nor do I understand the current political culture as evidenced by my own statements. My current cause of the week is something I saw on twitter and the youtubes only because I don't know how to block then. SNIP edited for clarity
Lastly, while I'm no huge fan of the games EA produces or how they produce them, the fact is EA is among the most tolerant and diverse workplaces in the nation.
Quboid wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 11:07:Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 01:24:Quboid wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 21:34:
Racism against whites certainly exists but I'm not seeing anything particularly awful in his tweets.
Because I didn't post the more severe stuff like this gem. "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" Here's the backup in case he ever decides to delete this Twitter post.
I don't know how anyone can interpret that in any other way than precisely what it means. He's literally saying ALL white people are terrorists on the same level as Al-Qaeda and ISIS individuals who brutally murder people. It's outrageously awful and has no place in the real world, much less business. He needs to go. The sooner EA and BioWare clean house of these societal parasites, the better. Gaming is getting "progressively" bad, and real bad in the last year or so. I just want to play games and have amazing adventures. I don't want the political stuff. I hate politics.
JDreyer already mentioned this but - how did you go from his comment to "ALL white people"? (Also, and I know this is very much besides the point, but there are many terrorists who aren't nearly as bad as Al-Qaeda or ISIS.)
Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 01:24:Quboid wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 21:34:
Racism against whites certainly exists but I'm not seeing anything particularly awful in his tweets.
Because I didn't post the more severe stuff like this gem. "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" Here's the backup in case he ever decides to delete this Twitter post.
I don't know how anyone can interpret that in any other way than precisely what it means. He's literally saying ALL white people are terrorists on the same level as Al-Qaeda and ISIS individuals who brutally murder people. It's outrageously awful and has no place in the real world, much less business. He needs to go. The sooner EA and BioWare clean house of these societal parasites, the better. Gaming is getting "progressively" bad, and real bad in the last year or so. I just want to play games and have amazing adventures. I don't want the political stuff. I hate politics.
Kxmode wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 20:24:
What I have a problem with is BioWare (and by extension EA) keeping him employed when they know of his constant racist and violent expressions: For example, "Justice is not the same as legal. The law is not always just. The US deserves no peace until it acts upon the moral imperative to be just."
Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 01:24:
Because I didn't post the more severe stuff like this gem. "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" Here's the backup in case he ever decides to delete this Twitter post.
Kxmode wrote on Mar 18, 2017, 01:24:Actually, no. How do you go from "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" to "all white people are terrorists?" The fact is between 2001 and today, white right wing terrorists have killed more people than Islamic extremists. And white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement. So no, the vast majority of white people are not terrorists, but white extremism exists in the US, and is emboldened by Trump's election. It's a shame you don't read the news, or you would have caught wind of it: attacks on Jewish institutions and cemeteries, attacks on Indians under the incorrect assumption they are Arabic, among others. The reason EA stands by the tweets is that they are factually correct.Quboid wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 21:34:
Racism against whites certainly exists but I'm not seeing anything particularly awful in his tweets.
Because I didn't post the more severe stuff like this gem. "The real terrorists are already on American soil and they are white" Here's the backup in case he ever decides to delete this Twitter post.
I don't know how anyone can interpret that in any other way than precisely what it means. He's literally saying ALL white people are terrorists on the same level as Al-Qaeda and ISIS individuals who brutally murder people. It's outrageously awful and has no place in the real world, much less business. He needs to go. The sooner EA and BioWare clean house of these societal parasites, the better. Gaming is getting "progressively" bad, and real bad in the last year or so. I just want to play games and have amazing adventures. I don't want the political stuff. I hate politics.
Kxmode wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 20:24:Um, you do realize that the law is not always just, right? Remember the Jim Crow laws? Remember the Fugitive Slave Act? Remember fucking slavery, the legally enshrined definition of human beings as property? Jesus H Christ dude, what are you on about?Eirikrautha wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 16:46:
FTFY, brah.
I don't need ideological reasons to skip this mess. I really don't care if the ugly chicks are because BioWare wants to protest the sexualization of women in video games, or they just have crappy artists. They're ugly models with janky animations and a bland story. Pass!
Please don't fix my words.
Let me help you understand the difference between ideology and racism. As the name implies "ideology" is a system of ideas and ideals that form the basis for economic, political theory, and general policy (e.g. "I think it would be ideal to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour"). Racism is not ideology. It's pure, undiluted hatred. More specifically, it is "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." Ironically, Martin Luther King Jr. said it best: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
I am not irate with Manveer Heir for his overt racism. He has free will to do whatever he wishes. What I have a problem with is BioWare (and by extension EA) keeping him employed when they know of his constant racist and violent expressions: For example, "Justice is not the same as legal. The law is not always just. The US deserves no peace until it acts upon the moral imperative to be just." https://archive.is/AyFkk
If BioWare and EA, as part of their culture, support and condone the employment of people who express incredibly hateful rhetoric, I will not reward their bad behavior. It benefits you to know the significance between ideology and racism.Why are you a gamist? Being prejudicial against Bioware is adopting the same behavior as those you rail against.
Update: From Twitter: "According to @manveerheir, he has the support of Bioware top management for his comments on twitter." Image posted for proof. Yeah, so I won't be buying BioWare products as long as they continue to support racism towards a group of people. Very sad.
Quboid wrote on Mar 17, 2017, 21:34:
Racism against whites certainly exists but I'm not seeing anything particularly awful in his tweets.