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MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs?

Microsoft Support explains that the latest AMD and Intel CPUs running older versions of Windows may be turned away at the door by Windows Update, saying impacted users will have to update to Windows 10 for driver and OS updates (thanks DSOGaming). Here's the situation:

Symptoms
When you try to scan or download updates through Windows Update, you receive the following error message:

Unsupported Hardware
Your PC uses a processor that isn’t supported on this version of Windows and you won’t receive updates.

Additionally, you may see an error message on the Windows Update window that resembles the following:

Windows could not search for new updates
An error occurred while checking for new updates for your computer.
Error(s) found:
Code 80240037 Windows Update encountered an unknown error.

Cause
This error occurs because new processor generations require the latest Windows version for support. For example, Windows 10 is the only Windows version that is supported on the following processor generations:

  • Intel seventh (7th)-generation processors
  • AMD “Bristol Ridge”
  • Qualcomm “8996"

Because of how this support policy is implemented, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 devices that have a seventh generation or a later generation processor may no longer be able to scan or download updates through Windows Update or Microsoft Update.

Resolution
We recommend that you upgrade Windows 8.1-based and Window 7-based computers to Windows 10 if those computers have a processor that is from any of the following generations:

  • Intel seventh (7th)-generation "Intel Core" processor or a later generation
  • AMD seventh (7th)-generation (“Bristol Ridge") processor or a later generation
  • Qualcomm “8996" processor or a later generation

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80. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 24, 2017, 11:32 Mr. Tact
 
Verno wrote on Mar 24, 2017, 11:18:
I'm much more annoyed at them for forcing Windows Updates on users or the obfuscation related to privacy settings.

Anyways this is off the front page and I'm reclaiming this browser tab, good discussion and I appreciate everyones viewpoints here, I will think about them further
Totally agree the forced updates (and automatic reboots) are complete BS. I also agree it was a good discussion, thanks for your contributions. Have a good one.
 
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79. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 24, 2017, 11:18 Verno
 
That's the thing though, they're doing the Google model but doing it right. Google gives you no choice. Microsoft gives you 4 different levels of info dissemination and let's you choose, the first being very reasonable and confined to a list of installed Microsoft Store apps and crash diagnostics. I mean we live an interconnected age, EVERYONE does analytics and collection now. It's no longer a question of avoiding it but ensuring its done responsibly. You are getting absolutely screwed by other companies, much worse than this, whether you realize it or not. It doesn't make it ok for anyone to act irresponsibly but I would argue they haven't done that here. I would prefer no info to some info, sure but I'm realistic.

I'm much more annoyed at them for forcing Windows Updates on users or the obfuscation related to privacy settings.

Anyways this is off the front page and I'm reclaiming this browser tab, good discussion and I appreciate everyones viewpoints here, I will think about them further
 
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78. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 24, 2017, 09:23 Mr. Tact
 
Verno wrote on Mar 24, 2017, 08:35:
I mean I get what you're saying but Microsoft is a corporation, not a registered charity organization. They exist to make profit so I'm not sure why that's such a bad thing. Selling user analytics is definitely money but crash dumps and diagnostics? No one is buying that info anyway so I'm not sure how its profitable but ok, I give up. I tried to address the misconceptions one by one with facts but I think the reality is that there is nothing they could do to fully assuage some people. I hated the error reporting system in Windows XP/7 but if that's what you want then /shrug.
I suspect we really aren't that far apart in our position/opinion of the situation, you are just far more forgiving than I am willing to be. Yes, Microsoft is a corporation. Yes, they are trying to make a profit. This is why I don't mind paying them money for their product. Wow -- typing that made me realize something...

The whole give Win10 away thing... that really was their attempt at moral justification to do the data collection. Google gives you email and searches for "free" -- the deal being they sell ads and get the data in exchange. Giving Win10 away was an attempt to mimic the Google model. We'll give you this OS for free, and we get to place ads in it and get the data in exchange. Well done, Microsoft. I have said for many years -- if Google gave me an option to pay them for email and searches and not show me ads or collect my data I would certainly consider it. I've been giving Yahoo $20 a year for over a decade now. I use their disposable email address system which is amazingly useful and convenient.

I don't think Microsoft is or expect them to be a charity. But I really dislike their attempt to copy the Google model. And I'd happily pay a premium on my OS cost to avoid it. And yes, I'm probably in a small minority. The majority of the sheep will take the free OS and go on their merry ways. I don't mind admitting I'm not like most people.

 
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77. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 24, 2017, 08:35 Verno
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 23, 2017, 13:58:
Why would it be hypocritical? I never indicated Google's scanning was beneficial to me, just that I failed to see what they were gaining. As far as this theoretical assistance from crash dumps -- prompt me to up load them or not. In all the years I've used XP and Win7 the crashes have been few and far between. On those rare occasions I probably wouldn't have minded allowing a dump upload. There is no need for the constant data collection other than their desire to exploit it/me for profit. Just as Google is trying to do and failing as far as I can tell.

I mean I get what you're saying but Microsoft is a corporation, not a registered charity organization. They exist to make profit so I'm not sure why that's such a bad thing. Selling user analytics is definitely money but crash dumps and diagnostics? No one is buying that info anyway so I'm not sure how its profitable but ok, I give up. I tried to address the misconceptions one by one with facts but I think the reality is that there is nothing they could do to fully assuage some people. I hated the error reporting system in Windows XP/7 but if that's what you want then /shrug.

I'm perfectly fine with Windows 10 and this direction so long as users remain informed and given choices. When that stops then I will stop being so understanding. I do think they are walking a fine line here and there are definitely some valid complaints about the heavy handed way they handled Updates, drivers and the annoying way they distribute/obfuscate the privacy configuration.

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76. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 13:58 Mr. Tact
 
Verno wrote on Mar 23, 2017, 13:11:
Collecting crash dumps and diagnostics is directly useful to you, that feedback goes into improving the software. It is really hypocritical to say that when all Google scanning is doing for you is advertisements.
Why would it be hypocritical? I never indicated Google's scanning was beneficial to me, just that I failed to see what they were gaining. As far as this theoretical assistance from crash dumps -- prompt me to up load them or not. In all the years I've used XP and Win7 the crashes have been few and far between. On those rare occasions I probably wouldn't have minded allowing a dump upload. There is no need for the constant data collection other than their desire to exploit it/me for profit. Just as Google is trying to do and failing as far as I can tell.
 
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75. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 13:11 Verno
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 23, 2017, 11:17:
Cool, good info. Glad to know someone dug through the documentation to figure it out. However, my conspiracy theory sensor (which I try my very best to suppress) wonders if there might be undocumented collection.

I'm not particularly worried about that, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it exists. Thanks.

Ok well I don't see how they're being dick heads then. They are definitely about other things but in this case they are a more responsible corporate parent than Google is. Heck even the WindowsUpdate stuff isn't bad, they're just not updating the platform and that's fine.

I can only speak for myself but email scanning is way, way more intrusive than a company collecting non-identifiable diagnostic info. Sure Microsoft does have other disclosure levels but at least the user gets to pick which one at install time, they aren't locked into Google levels of privacy invasion. They can also change all of the privacy related toggles at any time.

So yeah much ado about nothing to me. When Microsoft starts removing the ability to change those settings above the Basic info level? I won't like that and I'll be right there with you bitching about it.

But it really sticks in my craw to have such nonsense as an installed part of my OS. Especially since I'm certain nothing Microsoft will collect from me will be helpful to me.

Collecting crash dumps and diagnostics is directly useful to you, that feedback goes into improving the software. It is really hypocritical to say that when all Google scanning is doing for you is advertisements.
 
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74. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 13:01 Mr. Tact
 
I guess it comes down to is this, I do what I can to limit my online profile.

And yeah, Google, Amazon, and any site I allow to setup a browser cookie probably knows more about me than I'd like them to know. But, probably less than many others who have Facebook, Linked-in and whatever other social media accounts -- who share so much more than I do online and are less diligent than I am. And yeah, if you know my address, or real name -- you can look me up on the county assessor's web-site and find out what I pay in real estate taxes.

But it really sticks in my craw to have such nonsense as an installed part of my OS. Especially since I'm certain nothing Microsoft will collect from me will be helpful to me.
 
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73. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 11:34 Beamer
 
It's impossible to stop what Google knows. You can block everything on your end, but you can't block things on their end. They can still put together who you are extremely easily.

These days, nearly everyone can. Instagram drives me insane with this. I don't connect it to any other apps, and I use a throwaway email for it, yet it still keeps suggesting HS people it can only be finding via Facebook. I didn't connect to my Facebook. I didn't use the same email. If it can still find it, whatever go for it, but what drives me nuts is it lies and says it's suggesting them based on what I've liked, but I keep my Instagram walled to a small group of individuals, none of whom know anyone I went to HS with.

These days, there is no privacy. None. You can lock your system down as much as you want, but other people don't have theirs locked down, and so much of the tracking is done on a server level. Hell, at this point we're nearing where Google and Microsoft can identify us as individuals based on our typing and mousing techniques.
 
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72. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 11:17 Mr. Tact
 
Verno wrote on Mar 23, 2017, 09:31:
What they collect. What the levels of info mean from TechNet.
Cool, good info. Glad to know someone dug through the documentation to figure it out. However, my conspiracy theory sensor (which I try my very best to suppress) wonders if there might be undocumented collection.

I'm not particularly worried about that, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it exists. Thanks.
 
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71. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 11:13 Mr. Tact
 
Redmask wrote on Mar 23, 2017, 08:11:
Google has your whole fucking email trove and you're worried about this, haha. An ad blocker does nothing to really protect your privacy, your devices are finger printed in several different ways.
You know I've never really understood this. What are all you people doing in your email? There is almost nothing in my email which I wouldn't be willing to print and staple to my garage door. A couple of financial documents I sent to my adviser would be the most private. I certainly don't understand why any corporation would consider it a "trove". There are private conversations which wouldn't mean much to anyone else... whatever. Google's supposed reason to "look" at that stuff is to show me targeted ads, which they hope to get paid for. However, since I never see any of those ads I fail to see what advantage they are gaining.
At least you admit that you're holding Microsoft to a different standard than other companies. Microsoft is not changing from past behavior, they have always been a bag of dicks and will always be that way. They exist to make money for their shareholders, not have a hugbox with their customers. They are changing with the times. If you don't like this and its such a huge deal then there are other options out there, go use them. You aren't putting the genie back in the bottle. You can't fight it, they make the software and they sell you a license. You don't own shit and have zero control. I'm not making excuses for them, that's just how it is now. Fuck its been that way for a long time. I like Windows so I'm going to keep using it until they push too far one day and when that day comes I will go use something else. I doubt any of you even give a real fuck about this.
Being a dick is not a good reason to continue being a dick. Of course we can fight it. Now, our odds might be bad, and we may lose, or it might take years to win, but we can fight it. Laws could be written to change their behavior. Just take a look at race relations in the US. Certainly a much harder problem, and it wasn't easy but change was made. Are things perfect? Hell no. But it's pretty easy to say things are much better now than they were in the 1950s -- or before that.

As far as excusing them -- that's exactly what you are doing. You are excusing them from their behavior by saying, "that's just how it is now. Fuck its been that way for a long time." If that's not excusing them, I don't know what you would call it. I will agree with you that many people do put their whole lives on-line. But I'm not one of them, and I'm against any company attempting to do so. Just because Microsoft forces me to sign a licence agreement to allow their activity doesn't mean it is right. Nor does it mean actions can't be taken to stop them.
 
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70. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 09:31 Verno
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 15:47:
However, we don't know what Microsoft is collecting. We only know what they say they are collecting. As far as I know, no one has been able to determine this and Microsoft isn't talking about the specifics of what they collect. As far as setting up only "Basic" information collection during installation -- as I said, we don't know what that is. Additionally, it has already been shown that Microsoft can and has changed those settings in updates. You have to check your setting after any update, which can happen at any time since you have no control over it.

What they collect. What the levels of info mean from TechNet.

The user is presented with all toggles at install time and the situation you're describing with it changing things was just reversion to defaults due to the way updates were being done, they've already addressed it. They also encrypt it and protect it on the hard drive so that hackers can't divulge any of it, that's part of the reason there is some obfuscation about the methodology.

I understand if people aren't thrilled with them collecting info but to say they aren't doing it responsibly is false, just like the accusation that it's spyware. I'm not sure how people reconcile using an OS from a company they don't trust to the point where they question everything going on. They say they're collecting diagnostic info, I don't need to see every single data point individually. When trust is broken then it becomes a problem.

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69. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 23, 2017, 08:11 Redmask
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 23:40:
That would be why I almost always use Steam off-line, don't own an Apple product (never have) and why I use a different disposable email address for any website I register for. Google, yeah -- I'll admit they have me, to whatever extent they can get from reading my email and looking at my searches. Not that it does them a lot of good seeing as I'm reasonably intelligent and hence I use an ad-blocker. So they don't get much advantage. (oh, and I've never been on Facebook or other social media sites)

The fact that other companies or individuals engage in any activity is not justification for other to engage in those activities.

Google has your whole fucking email trove and you're worried about this, haha. An ad blocker does nothing to really protect your privacy, your devices are finger printed in several different ways. At least you admit that you're holding Microsoft to a different standard than other companies.

Microsoft is not changing from past behavior, they have always been a bag of dicks and will always be that way. They exist to make money for their shareholders, not have a hugbox with their customers. They are changing with the times. If you don't like this and its such a huge deal then there are other options out there, go use them. You aren't putting the genie back in the bottle. You can't fight it, they make the software and they sell you a license. You don't own shit and have zero control.

I'm not making excuses for them, that's just how it is now. Fuck its been that way for a long time. I like Windows so I'm going to keep using it until they push too far one day and when that day comes I will go use something else. I doubt any of you even give a real fuck about this.
 
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68. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 22, 2017, 23:40 Mr. Tact
 
That would be why I almost always use Steam off-line, don't own an Apple product (never have) and why I use a different disposable email address for any website I register for. Google, yeah -- I'll admit they have me, to whatever extent they can get from reading my email and looking at my searches. Not that it does them a lot of good seeing as I'm reasonably intelligent and hence I use an ad-blocker. So they don't get much advantage. (oh, and I've never been on Facebook or other social media sites)

The fact that other companies or individuals engage in any activity is not justification for other to engage in those activities.
 
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67. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 22, 2017, 22:15 Redmask
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 15:47:
I truthfully don't understand why anyone defends them. They are acting like dicks, plain and simple.


They are acting like every other business does these days. Why is Microsoft held to a different standard than Apple, Google or literally any other application vendor in the marketplace? Fuck just reading my Steam EULA makes me shudder. Have you people somehow been totally asleep to what happened over the past 5 years? You're all connected to networks permanently now and you're juicing cell phone providers way more than Microsoft could ever hope and pray to.

I don't feel any sympathy for users trying to stick with a 10+ year old OS that is past its sell-by because they're paranoid that Microsoft might want to collect info they give away freely every day to other companies. Sorry I just can't care about that shit. Someone who is actually that privacy conscious and not just pretending probably isn't using a closed source operating system in the first place.

Microsoft has always been a bunch of dicks by the way, they're a fucking corp and not anyones little friend who betrayed them. They want your money. They don't give a fuck about you. You don't like what they're doing, use something else. That is the only shit they listen to, the sound of your money going somewhere else.
 
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66. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 22, 2017, 20:12 Mr. Tact
 
Okay -- assuming you're right, and I have no reason to think you aren't, the manufacturer probably loaded the drivers for me.

I still think it comes down to what I said before...
Mr. Tact wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 15:47:
They are acting like dicks, plain and simple. Is it illegal? Probably not. But it is surely atrocious behavior.
 
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65. Re: GOG Galaxy Leaves Beta Mar 22, 2017, 19:04 descender
 
Unless something has changed that I missed... USB3 only works via 3rd party drivers, W7 has no innate support for it. The creator tool that you would need to use to install W7 from a USB3.0 port is made by Intel. MS provides no support for installing or running anything via USB3 in W7. Intel provides the drivers/support for that because USB3 is really an external feature on the chipset... just like nVidia provides support for video cards etc. Vendors usually support deprecated OS's far beyond their official EOL.

The reason I brought it up is because many people keep claiming that CPU's are handled the same as every other piece of hardware, but it isn't the case. New CPU's will always rely on kernel updates to the OS that MS has to provide to support all of their new "features" and instruction sets properly. These are generally internal features on the CPU itself and are hard-coded into windows. The CPU's will probably "work" without these updates because a majority of CPU code is backward compatible and standardized, but they will be crippled in some way and not be running as fast or as stable as they should.

If Intel/AMD were able to support the CPU's themselves with driver updates then there would be no reason for MS to care what hardware you were using, new or old, because it wouldn't cost them anything to provide any support for it. Continually supporting deprecated software is basically throwing money in a hole that you already intended to put a lid on.

What MS said here was basically that they aren't updating the Windows 7 kernal to support any new CPU's anymore. Since they aren't supported they can't guarantee that future updates will not break something with them, so you can't have any more updates because they aren't testing them to make sure that they won't burn your house down.

Yes, they want to push people to upgrade to their new OS, but there is also a large pile of fairly obvious reasons from a business and technical perspective.
 
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64. Re: GOG Galaxy Leaves Beta Mar 22, 2017, 18:20 Mr. Tact
 
descender wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 17:30:
They don't support NVMe or USB3 in Windows 7, but I don't hear you guys crying about that
Err, they don't? The PC I bought 4.5 years ago had USB 3.0 and Win7 and I'm pretty sure it was supported.... but I'll leave the possibility open the 3.0 ports are really running as 2.0 ports, I never checked and probably wouldn't have noticed if they were.
 
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63. Re: GOG Galaxy Leaves Beta Mar 22, 2017, 17:30 descender
 
Their failure to cut off updates for XP is part of the reason why it lingered on for so long. They aren't looking to make the mistake of allowing the business world to take 5 years to get on the latest OS again. I don't know why they chose now, probably because they actually have the ability to do it now. The reason XP "worked" with later hardware was due to extended enterprise contracts, iit didn't just "magically work"... they have to update it to fulfill contracts. They no longer have to do this because of the well-timed EOL cutoffs to 7/8. I'm not missing your point, I understand it and I'm denying it's legitimacy altogether.

You are still completely missing my point, though. Who are you to tell MS what they can and can not support with their own software? And how long they should do it? No one seems to have an answer to that one, no matter how many times I ask. Is it a shitty decision? Maybe... to you... Is there anything that you can do about it but whine and kick your feet? Nope.

You claim that anyone who disagrees with MS are fucking idiots

Uh, no. I literally said that if you ignored their obvious and blatant warnings and still bought the CPU expecting it to work... THEN you are an idiot. They only did exactly what they said they were going to do. How else would you describe a person that ignores that sort of warning?

which is the consumer's choice to make, always was, always will be
No. No. No. This could not be farther from the truth and you guys have to stop saying it. It was never the consumers choice to decide what hardware MS has to support and in what OS. It's the consumers choice to use the OS that MS has provided... or not. That's it. That's your choice. They don't support NVMe or USB3 in Windows 7, but I don't hear you guys crying about that... so this obsession with the CPU support is just a typical self-centered mentality.

Of course it isn't for "the greater good" of you as a retail consumer... why would it be? Nothing they do is. As a home user, you are a piddly shit little slice of MS's overall business model. You get as little as they have to provide you and nothing more because you don't pay for it. It's a decision only made for "the greater good" of MS and their ability to support their own software and you fail to understand (willfully I think) the reasons why they would do it.

Yeah, it's a shitty arbitrary decision. Yeah, it is partially to force people to upgrade... I'm not denying that... it was always going to be an arbitrary cutoff and the EOL schedule makes it abundantly obvious what they are really up to. I'm just not acting the spoiled child demanding that they change their decision because I didn't ignore their warnings about new CPU's being unsupported from OVER A YEAR AGO.

There is not a single person that should be caught off guard by this announcement.
 
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62. Re: New GeForce Drivers and GTX 1080 Ti Reviews Mar 22, 2017, 16:55 Simon Says
 
descender wrote on Mar 22, 2017, 10:46:
No, it literally isn't. This is the incorrect assumption that is leading you all down the wrong path. If you have to start your arguments here you've already missed the boat. Even if it was the same CPU that doesn't mean they can just assume it works every time with every patch, they would still have to dedicate a team to testing that particular hardware every time they do an update. Who is paying for that?

You are also making this uninformed assumption about ONE particular CPU. What about Ryzen? What about the next Intel CPU next year or the year after? And every other CPU that is going to be released before 2020? Who decides when a piece of hardware is "different enough" to allow them to drop support for it? You?! How do you think this is even remotely a reasonable request?

You simply will not have full hardware support on ANY OS up to the day it dies. It would be impossible to provide such support. MS gave PLENTY OF NOTICE to consumers about this decision and if you purchased a Kaby/Ryen CPU expecting to use it in Windows 7 then again... you're a fucking idiot.

It's not MS's choice to make which OS we want to run and take risks with regarding the updates.
Wrong again. It is literally only their choice.

It's my own goddamn choice if I want to run windows 95 or 98 or XP or whatever OS on whichever CPU I please
This is the first semi-correct thing in your entire post. Yes, you have that choice... just like they have the choice to support their own software with updates, for how long, and what hardware to support.

You don't seem to understand that "supporting" a CPU doesn't mean "just make sure it turns on" for some random home user. They have to be able to guarantee that it will work across all business applications and environments if they are going to "officially" support it. They are liable for all sorts of damages if they aren't careful, so "just let me install it if I want to" is literally not an option. It isn't your risk to take, it is their risk and their liability.

They aren't "lying", they simply don't have to give any other reason other than "they don't want to support it". That is the only reason they have actually given. You are the ones pushing this fanciful conspiracy that they "could easily support it but refuse to" with zero evidence.

Even if they weren't the same, sky and kaby, its still irrelevant...

You're still completely missing the point... Which is that its the first time in MS's history that they artificially disabled windows updates when it detects newer hardware, they used to simply stop supporting it, and its fine, but nevertheless, windows updates still weren't artifically blocked and it didn't cause problems. Windows updates still works on unsupported hardware on WinXP. They never did in the past and it never caused any serious problems because yeah enterprise had been warned and average joes didn't care or dealt with it graciously without any coercing needed. So why now?

You naively believe its "for the greater good" while shouting down anyone who disagrees that they're "fucking idiots" while its patently obvious that its to coerce you into the only choice they want you to make ( which is the consumer's choice to make, always was, always will be ), theirs, when you buy newer hardware. Its the only reason, if it was really for the sake of enterprises then some versions of Win7, those targeted especially at the consumers, not the enterprises, would still have windows update righteously intact on newer hardware.

You claim that anyone who disagrees with MS are fucking idiots, fine, its your deeply flawed opinion. But the fact of the matter is that its not for the greater good, its not for enterprises either. Its to coerce the average consumer onto 10, purely and simply and if you can't see this, it seems there's nothing I can do to convince you that the shadows on the wall of your mind aren't real. So I'm out of this proverbial cave, case closed as far as I'm concerned, good luck with your issues.
 
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61. Re: MS Forcing Win10 on Latest CPUs? Mar 22, 2017, 15:52 Beamer
 
There's no way spyware is why more desktops run Windows 7. More likely, no one updates desktop OSs unless they buy a new desktop (or the OS they have is horrifically bad.) Since desktops aren't rapidly aging, people just aren't replacing their hardware and therefore seeing little reason to move to Windows 10.

Anyway, OSs collect data. That's just what 2017 is. As mentioned, your phone does it, your tablet does it. If you sneeze Google and Facebook know. Sometimes it's for marketing purposes, often it's just to see what the hell you do with your device and where issues occur.

Most people don't care. There's no way it's responsible for more than a percentage or two of conversion.
 
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