And to think Madonna was right all those years ago, 'Borderline, feels like I'm going to lose my mind. You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline....'

RedEye9 wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 16:46:
“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

Edward Snowden

This^^

“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

Edward Snowden

Beamer wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 15:16:

Suckage wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 12:17:
I'm just about ready to switch back to dumbphones for when I travel.

Why?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this at all. But some jackass looking at your emails isn't worth using a flip phone. Depending on your you look, there's like a 10% chance of it happening. If they look, you're inconvenienced, but nothing is taken from you permanently and nothing is recorded anywhere. It's just some jackass looking at your emails. There's a tiny, tiny chance it gets copied somewhere.

I'm not of the "I have nothing to hide, therefore I'll let them do what they want" mindset. I think they need to stop this. However, carrying a flip phone won't stop this from happening, only stop it from happening to me, at the expense of having to use a flip phone when I travel abroad. That massive inconvenience isn't worth the minimal risk to myself of this happening. I'd have to buy a flip phone, and I'd lose access to the internet and WhatsApp, two of the most useful tools for traveling outside the US.

The ACLU is hiring you know.

Suckage wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 12:17:
I'm just about ready to switch back to dumbphones for when I travel.

You should also donate to the ACLU.

They're in the process of hiring 100 more attorneys to handle all the BS the new administration is throwing out there.

Quboid wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 15:53:
I feel like it hasn't occurred to them that just because it's not unconstitutional doesn't mean they have to do it. Like, it could be legal for them to do this but they not do it anyway because it's a stupid idea.

Oh, make no mistake, it IS unconstitutional, but the fucking SCOTUS decided that apparently the constitution doesn't apply within 15 miles of the border. It's the most laughably ridiculous overreach of governmental "We're fucking with you just because we can" ever witnessed.

Beamer wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 15:16:
Depending on your you look, there's like a 10% chance of it happening. If they look, you're inconvenienced, but nothing is taken from you permanently and nothing is recorded anywhere. It's just some jackass looking at your emails. There's a tiny, tiny chance it gets copied somewhere.

But if you're trying to catch a connecting flight, being delayed for two hours while some border patrol asswipe tries to find whatever it is that gets his tiny pecker hard is really, REALLY fucking annoying.

How does them checking your stuff actually work? What if your phone's email client doesn't have any accounts defined? What if you don't have the Facebook app installed?

Beamer, what does "Depending on your you look", is that "on where you look (for your statistics)" or "on how you look (racial profiling)"?

I feel like it hasn't occurred to them that just because it's not unconstitutional doesn't mean they have to do it. Like, it could be legal for them to do this but they not do it anyway because it's a stupid idea.

Suckage wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 12:17:
I'm just about ready to switch back to dumbphones for when I travel.

Why?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this at all. But some jackass looking at your emails isn't worth using a flip phone. Depending on your you look, there's like a 10% chance of it happening. If they look, you're inconvenienced, but nothing is taken from you permanently and nothing is recorded anywhere. It's just some jackass looking at your emails. There's a tiny, tiny chance it gets copied somewhere.

I'm not of the "I have nothing to hide, therefore I'll let them do what they want" mindset. I think they need to stop this. However, carrying a flip phone won't stop this from happening, only stop it from happening to me, at the expense of having to use a flip phone when I travel abroad. That massive inconvenience isn't worth the minimal risk to myself of this happening. I'd have to buy a flip phone, and I'd lose access to the internet and WhatsApp, two of the most useful tools for traveling outside the US.

Suckage wrote on Mar 15, 2017, 12:17:
I'm just about ready to switch back to dumbphones for when I travel.

I can imagine them asking to see your phone, then you flip it open and start to hand it over... They'll either shake their head and wave you through, or inform you you've just been "randomly selected" for a more thorough screening.

I'm just about ready to switch back to dumbphones for when I travel.

My dad is coming to visit me in a few weeks. I may tell him to leave his phone at home so he doesn't get stuck for several hours because some border patrol dildo feels the need to abuse his authority.