Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 17:19:
So you're saying IBM fabricated the data they presented to the conference?
descender wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 16:50:
The IBM/Mac story is a nice story until you realize that they let all of their Mac home users choose to migrate over first, obviously reducing the number of tech calls they were making since they were now using a system they knew how to use. They get to conveniently leave out re-training as part of that deployment cost. They also leave out the part where IBM's infrastructure was built ready to host a mac environment which most offices are not remotely equipped for... There are just entirely too many factors overlooked in that IBM story to actually apply any conclusions to another company. Converting a company from PC to Mac is an absolute nightmare and is definitely not cheaper for anyone involved. Mac's, specifically Macbooks, make sense for developers... and really no one else.
Creston wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 16:13:Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:31:
There are reasons to complain about Macs and about Apple in particular. But IBMs well documented switch to Macs for enterprise resulting in drastically lower total cost of ownership makes it pretty clear that Macs are a viable enterprise computing device. They cost more up front, but they also require vastly less user and technical support, leading to smaller IT budgets overall.
Please. I have ~ 30 users that use Macs, and they open just as many, if not more, tickets as my Windows users do. Their apps are just as shitty as the Windows apps, but now you have to find another way to fix it.
I've also been trying to unlock two iPads where the users forgot their unlock codes, and literally no solution works. They won't go into recovery mode, they won't go into DFU mode, nothing. No combination of arcane button presses works. (And why can't you just boot into a simple menu where you CHOOSE which mode you want? Oh wait, Steve Jobs hated buttons. Ugh.)
I'm taking them to the Apple store tomorrow in the hopes that they can get something done.
"Ready for the enterprise." Uh-huh.
Ozmodan wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 17:02:
Bullshit! Been supporting PC's and Mac's forever and there is virtually no difference. Most support calls are how to use software not OS problems. My best friend is an IBM'er and they don't even use Macs except for a few pieces of select equipment that require them. Your info is faulty.
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:42:Ozmodan wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:38:
Huh? Was over at IBM yesterday, not a MAC in sight. I have never heard an IBM'er ever mention Mac's as a replacement for PC's. What koolaid are you drinking?
Top Google hit for "IBM mac savings"
The article enumerates the reasons for lower cost of ownership better than I could, but the bottom line is that they require less man hours to administrate, have fewer security holes, and generate fewer user support tickets. Extend that across an enterprise, and the economic viability of Macs for enterprise becomes clear. As for not seeing a Mac anywhere, IBM's global workforce "only" has 100,000 of them deployed right now.
"Ready for the enterprise." Uh-huh.
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:31:
There are reasons to complain about Macs and about Apple in particular. But IBMs well documented switch to Macs for enterprise resulting in drastically lower total cost of ownership makes it pretty clear that Macs are a viable enterprise computing device. They cost more up front, but they also require vastly less user and technical support, leading to smaller IT budgets overall.
Creston wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 16:13:
Please. I have ~ 30 users that use Macs, and they open just as many, if not more, tickets as my Windows users do. Their apps are just as shitty as the Windows apps, but now you have to find another way to fix it.
I've also been trying to unlock two iPads where the users forgot their unlock codes, and literally no solution works. They won't go into recovery mode, they won't go into DFU mode, nothing. No combination of arcane button presses works. (And why can't you just boot into a simple menu where you CHOOSE which mode you want? Oh wait, Steve Jobs hated buttons. Ugh.)
I'm taking them to the Apple store tomorrow in the hopes that they can get something done.
"Ready for the enterprise." Uh-huh.
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 12:28:You can just take you high salary, lofty titles, liberal opinions and shove it. Blues is just for us crotchety 40-somethings that build our own PCs and can't imagine why anyone would want a computer that is Unix compliant and optimal for software development, but can't play the latest Doom at 60fps Ultra Settings.Timmeh wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 12:17:
Said the crack smoking apple employee
Lol, Google engineering employee actually. On my team, our workstations all run Goobuntu (Google's custom version of Ubuntu), and our laptops are all... 15" MacBook Pros, with a few opting for 13" MacBook Airs.
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:31:
There are reasons to complain about Macs and about Apple in particular. But IBMs well documented switch to Macs for enterprise resulting in drastically lower total cost of ownership makes it pretty clear that Macs are a viable enterprise computing device. They cost more up front, but they also require vastly less user and technical support, leading to smaller IT budgets overall.
Timmeh wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 12:17:
Said the crack smoking apple employee
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:42:Ozmodan wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:38:
Huh? Was over at IBM yesterday, not a MAC in sight. I have never heard an IBM'er ever mention Mac's as a replacement for PC's. What koolaid are you drinking?
Top Google hit for "IBM mac savings"
The article enumerates the reasons for lower cost of ownership better than I could, but the bottom line is that they require less man hours to administrate, have fewer security holes, and generate fewer user support tickets. Extend that across an enterprise, and the economic viability of Macs for enterprise becomes clear. As for not seeing a Mac anywhere, IBM's global workforce "only" has 100,000 of them deployed right now.
Ozmodan wrote on Mar 8, 2017, 11:38:
Huh? Was over at IBM yesterday, not a MAC in sight. I have never heard an IBM'er ever mention Mac's as a replacement for PC's. What koolaid are you drinking?