This injunction specifically relates to lines of code used by developers creating software for Oculus Rift and Samsung Gear VR. If the injunction takes effect, it will have an impact on which games can be sold for those devices.
A spokeswoman for Oculus, Tera Randall, stated that the company is appealing the original verdict, describing it as, "legally flawed and factually unwarranted."
wtf_man wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 17:36:
I think they're just pissed that after they bought iD, probably one of the main reasons they bought iD (Carmack), left the company.
Verno wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 21:39:
It's a shame this kind of crap just interferes with adoption of new tech. VR will never get off the ground with this kind of nonsense going on.
eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:25:
And Trumps brother is part of the board You can't make this shit up that's how absurd it is. It's not just nepotism, it's elitist class-focused scumbags pushing each other into jobs where they don't belong. Creating in essence a caste system
wtf_man wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 17:36:
I don't think it's nepotism.
Throwing out a guess... Ms Carter is probably just supporting her husband and his business with some free, or low cost (getting paid way less than someone like Patric Stewart for 3 lines in a game) voice acting, and some marketing for the games based on her small bit of fame.
That said... my point was more about Mr. Altman being an Attorney, himself. That is probably why the company is so quick to litigate EVERYTHING.
Oh... and they don't need any money from Facebook, especially after Skyrim sales.
I think they're just pissed that after they bought iD, probably one of the main reasons they bought iD (Carmack), left the company.
Dev wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:51:Dacote wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:29:Actually, he is. I googled before posting sarcastic replies.eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:25:
And Trumps brother is part of the board You can't make this shit up that's how absurd it is. It's not just nepotism, it's elitist class-focused scumbags pushing each other into jobs where they don't belong. Creating in essence a caste system
Jimmy Hoffa is a silent partner. Creating in nonsense a casket-less system. spooky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_MediaZeniMax's Board of Directors consists of eight individuals:
[...]
Robert S. Trump (President, Trump Management, Inc.)
Edit:
Also
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Although to me, it's just as interesting that the board of directors includes people like:
Jerry Bruckheimer
Leslie Moonves
Dev wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:51:yippeeDacote wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:29:Actually, he is. I googled before posting sarcastic replies.eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:25:
And Trumps brother is part of the board You can't make this shit up that's how absurd it is. It's not just nepotism, it's elitist class-focused scumbags pushing each other into jobs where they don't belong. Creating in essence a caste system
Jimmy Hoffa is a silent partner. Creating in nonsense a casket-less system. spooky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_MediaZeniMax's Board of Directors consists of eight individuals:
[...]
Robert S. Trump (President, Trump Management, Inc.)
Dacote wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:29:Actually, he is. I googled before posting sarcastic replies.eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:25:
And Trumps brother is part of the board You can't make this shit up that's how absurd it is. It's not just nepotism, it's elitist class-focused scumbags pushing each other into jobs where they don't belong. Creating in essence a caste system
Jimmy Hoffa is a silent partner. Creating in nonsense a casket-less system. spooky
ZeniMax's Board of Directors consists of eight individuals:
[...]
Robert S. Trump (President, Trump Management, Inc.)
eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 15:25:RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 11:04:wtf_man wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 10:43:
You all know the reason that Zenimax is so quick to litigate, Right?
Lynda Carter's husband, Robert Altman, is a partner / one of the head honchos at Zenimax and he is an Attorney. This is also why they get Lynda to do Voice Acting in their games.
Nepotism!
I just knew it!
And Trumps brother is part of the board You can't make this shit up that's how absurd it is. It's not just nepotism, it's elitist class-focused scumbags pushing each other into jobs where they don't belong. Creating in essence a caste system
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 11:04:wtf_man wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 10:43:
You all know the reason that Zenimax is so quick to litigate, Right?
Lynda Carter's husband, Robert Altman, is a partner / one of the head honchos at Zenimax and he is an Attorney. This is also why they get Lynda to do Voice Acting in their games.
Nepotism!
I just knew it!
wtf_man wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 10:43:
You all know the reason that Zenimax is so quick to litigate, Right?
Lynda Carter's husband, Robert Altman, is a partner / one of the head honchos at Zenimax and he is an Attorney. This is also why they get Lynda to do Voice Acting in their games.
Saboth wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 08:45:
Yeah, I never understood how someone can claim bits of code. It's nothing but another language. It's like a book company suing another book company because an author wrote '"You've got to be kidding me," he said."' in another book. There's only so many ways to write something. You've got to use the same function calls and syntax no matter where you work. Now, if Oculus had thousands of lines of exact code that was obviously copied and pasted out of programs he wrote for someone else, I could maybe see making a case of it. But a programmer is going to code the same way no matter where he works.
Kxmode wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 02:59:
I do not know the nitty-gritty details of the overall case, but from a cursory review, Zenimax's accusations are flimsy. Their primary charge is that John Carmack willfully stole id's C++ VR source and then repurposed it for Rift development; which is all kinds of level of stupid.
That kind of accusation does not work on Carmack because his name is at the top of a small list of game developers who invented the FPS genre. He (not Bethesda; not ZaniMax) figured out HOW to create 3D environments for gaming. John began and ended his gaming career at id. For 22 years he iterated upon his knowledge of 3D engine development and his style for programming. How he wrote his code became indistinguishable from the system itself. So when John took the job at Oculus, and they needed a 3D VR engine, Carmack's engine would share similarities with id's C++ VR.
ZeniMax is trying to separate the MAN from the CODE. In John's case, they are mutually inclusive. He cannot change the way he writes his code much like a musician fundamentally cannot change how they get inspired to create music. So this establishes a precedent that shows there's a clear difference between accusing a programmer of ACTUALLY stealing proprietary code (e.g. download from id's servers to repurpose) versus writing code from scratch and the results look very similar to another company's proprietary system. Bottomline, ZeniMax is conflating based on innuendo and conjecture. (e.g. "tinfoil hat society")
The bigger problem is this legal battle took place in a courtroom with decision makers who have no experience with the subject matter they must judge. This is Ted Stevens' "Series of Tubes" and "the Internet is not a dump truck" levels of ignorance. Imagine a judge ruling on a case involving patent infringement against "the probability of the Yukawa potential in the relationship between quantum physics and thermodynamics in the realm of string theory." The judge would be like, "Can I please just check my email and play some Candy Crush?"
The point is the judicial system is not technologists. They do not speak the same language. So how can they possibly be the right choice to understand all the required tribal knowledge and nomenclature of developer and programmer talk to reach a wise conclusion? This fact frustrated Carmack when his appropriately justified rant on Facebook shows he apparently wanted to school the prosecutor's "expert" witness but could not because the people in court could not understand Carmack's points.
As a Web UX developer, thinking back on my 19 years in the IT industry and knowing how professionals create signature patterns in their career (myself included), ZeniMax is wrong with their accusations. However, it does not matter because apparently, ZaniMax had better lawyers who spoke the judge's language better -- something Carmack could not.
Sorry, guys. This topic makes me sad.
CJ_Parker wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 05:31:Kxmode wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 03:24:
44 % 2 =220.88
^ fixed
VaranDragon wrote on Feb 25, 2017, 02:57:How can you be certain of what Carmack believes? What he believes and what he wants others to believe aren't necessarily the same.
Didn't I read that Facebook will appeal the original ruling? Carmack certainly believes that he did not do anything wrong.