Mr. Tact wrote on Feb 19, 2017, 09:34:BobBob wrote on Feb 19, 2017, 03:55:
Just saw the movie Arrival.
Spoiler questions / comments:
If she is living non-linear how did she not know about the phone call? She acted surprised. And how did she save mankind the first round if she didn't know the number? Why would she ever need it?
Lastly, lack of knowledge (phone number) would indicate linear thinking, but in the future she is non-linear. So which is it?
Are these a major plot holes?
On the other hand maybe she doesn't realize she's existing in subtle but alternate-divergent timelines or universes. She might simply be delusional.
Why doesn't she know about the phone call?
Well -- talking about non-linear events almost always makes for confusing verbiage. My personal spin: She is surprised because she is only just figuring out what's going on. That the visions of a child, her child, are not some fantasy but that she is seeing her future. And realizing she can manipulate her action in that future which enables her to change the present. She isn't "living non-linear", ie... she isn't moving forward and backward in time, she is simply seeing and interacting with her future. Unless I'm misremembering you aren't shown her changing the past.
Now your next question is a standard time travel plot problem. Terminator.. how was John Conner ever born the first time, without Kyle having gone back in time to father him. How can the general be at the party for her to get the phone number, unless she already called him. It is pretty much unavoidable to have a problem like this when you are dealing with time altering events. I don't really understand your "Why would she ever need it?" question.
If you consider this a major plot hole, no film containing any form of time manipulation isn't guilty of it.