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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 13, 2017, 01:29
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 13, 2017, 01:29
Feb 13, 2017, 01:29
 
New leak with models, speeds, and prices:

http://digiworthy.com/2017/02/13/amd-ryzen-cpu-prices/
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 12, 2017, 09:33
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 12, 2017, 09:33
Feb 12, 2017, 09:33
 
Make no mistake about it, the recent revelations concerning AMD Ryzen pricing and performance has got Intel spooked. So much so in fact that Intel has accelerated the launch of its 8th generation Intel Core CPUs, codenamed Coffee Lake, in an effort to counteract AMD’s salvo. Previously they were on track for a 1H 2018 launch, yet the pressure from AMD with Ryzen is being keenly felt.

Intel showed the slide during its investors meeting this week, revealing its 8th Gen Core i7, i5 and i3 8000 series processors will be launching in the second half of 2017.

lol, finally intel gets off their ass
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 12, 2017, 05:41
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 12, 2017, 05:41
Feb 12, 2017, 05:41
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 19:07:
Dr donkles wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 17:28:
Holy shit, this thing curbstomps the 7700K.

I was really not expecting that. Now i want to upgrade

16 threads on the AMD vs 8 threads on the 7700k. If you look at the single core data, the 7700k is still the stronger cpu.

For relative single core performance, see this image:

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/02/AMD-Ryzen-Chart-6.png

of course, with the boost enabled and the ram actually running at legitimate timings, this can only get better. the intel is running @ 4.2 ghz vs 3.4 on the AMD, so this could very well be a better chip at equivalent clocks. we should all wait and see some real-world benchmarking with this before jumping on the AMD2017 train, IMO. Have to say, things are looking good so far though!

This is basically the only chart that is "relatively" important to us gamers. Most games still use one or maybe two cores. Still, these are all synthetic benchmarks, once these chips are out, and performing in a real environment then we'll see what we will see. I imagine once Guru3d gets their hands on a few of these things will be much clearer.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 23:42
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 23:42
Feb 11, 2017, 23:42
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1badmf wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 21:14:
Slick wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 18:23:
I've been wanting to build another AMD system since the 3000+, I'll take excuse.

I also want their graphics division to pick up the pace. Vega 11 will be *mid* ranged but with HBM2? WTF?

Also, anyone else see the story that Intel will be using AMG iGPUs in Intel CPUs? Rumour, but probably true, due to the legal action nvidia took against them finally ending (6 year settlement? 200m per year paid to NV from INtel? crazy)

where did you hear vega 11 would have hbm2? from what i've read only vega 10 would have hbm2, which will be the high end part.

Oh I think you're right, there honestly hasn't been as much press coverage of AMD's GPUs, or maybe I'm just not looking for it. I feel that their CPU news has dwarfed any new GPUs they're making.

Also Why in the hell would the Vega 10 be better than Vega 11? Although I guess the code names for NV's parts are kinda similar, the GP102 is the best (for commercial, not counting the GP100 or whatever), followed by GP104, and up.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 23:41
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 23:41
Feb 11, 2017, 23:41
 
This should be a lesson for AMD, release official benchmarks, coordinate CPU shipment and mainboard releases for previews, if you don't do this, you have some dewb run benchmarks with no boost-clock on a mobo that would be better suited to run a toaster against cpus with boost-clock on mobos you buy for hardcore gaming or heavy workloads.

The benchmarks are actually pretty good considering all that, but something is also majorly broken, 32% worse perf thread-by-thread than expected. Can the boost-clock really offset that?
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 23:28
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 23:28
Feb 11, 2017, 23:28
 
Agent-Zero wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 22:46:
i thought it was supposed to be paired with their new GPU solutions which feature HBM and would therefore circumvent this weakness somewhat in terms of gaming performance.. also its supposed to match up in some other areas as well to make each part more effective than when used separately.. in theory

That would be correct...there has been a lot of talk about HBM2 and Vega alongside Ryzen. When I said that AMD made the "CPU more flexible" I was referring to the fact they are moving more things on-die and off the motherboard - an innovation hailing back to when they were the first to the market with an on-die memory controller. Intel played catch-up with the first "i" line after that; compare the C2D/C2Q chips and you see 10-15% gains there. It took a while for AMD to reap benefits from that even though it was critically hailed from the get go.

HBM2 remains relatively expensive fare and is a bit controversial in some ways. For example when HBM came out we were hearing how HBM2 would solve all the issues...and now, already, we're hearing about how HBM3 will solve the new problems. Pairing that with an immature platform and uncertain prices in the market means it's more of a "we'll see" situation rather than being a solid suggestion for people making buying decisions. You're correct in your assertion about their overall strategy, however. I just find it to not be something I would buy into yet.

My personal decision was to grab a full Skylake/6700K-based system over BF as the "tea leaves" told me that Kaby Lake would be underwhelming and that Ryzen would come a bit later and probably not offer anything reliable for a few months after that. Considering I already needed to boost my 760s to a GTX 1080 (rather than wait for the promised Vega) it was an easy decision. My alternative move would have been a 6/12 or low 8/16 Ryzen paired with Vega but I wasn't willing to wait for the product launches and kinks to be worked out. For those still on the fence it's important for them to know what their choices are - and I don't think "buy into full AMD" is something I'd say right now (but neither would I bank on Kaby Lake + NVIDIA). Couple that with rising DDR4 prices and the ship has sailed until, IMHO, at least June.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 22:46
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 22:46
Feb 11, 2017, 22:46
 
NewMaxx wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 21:46:
The short of it is, this opens up the arena for $300+ buyers and gives a relatively inexpensive alternative to Intel's 6-core parts, but the weak memory controller will stifle any plans for solid quad-channel performance. Again, all expected. Anybody surprised or excited by these results may not have been paying attention. Is it newsworthy? Somewhat, yeah, it means more options for everyone. It's just not a killer product - the platform is too immature for it to be a spoiler, but it does open up the market. I can't say anything ill about it - just want people to temper their expectations with reality.

i thought it was supposed to be paired with their new GPU solutions which feature HBM and would therefore circumvent this weakness somewhat in terms of gaming performance.. also its supposed to match up in some other areas as well to make each part more effective than when used separately.. in theory
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 21:46
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 21:46
Feb 11, 2017, 21:46
 
Mordecai Walfish wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 19:07:
16 threads on the AMD vs 8 threads on the 7700k. If you look at the single core data, the 7700k is still the stronger cpu.

15.4% better IPC on the 7700K, to be precise, which is exactly what was predicted a while back. (many expected between SB/IB and Haswell IPC)

It did perform 21.5% better in a multi-thread test, but that is with 61.9% better corexclock ratio, again revealing the IPC difference (and likely an inferior HT algorithm).

The memory controller on Ryzen is not particularly good and they of course drop the GPU part of the die to save cost (while also making the CPU itself more flexible). Again, all of this has been known for a while (I've posted about it a few times on various forums). This coupled with more cores/threads suggests overclocking will be relatively the same as Intel (albeit all Ryzen are unlocked).

The 6/12 part would have been the best bargain but rumor is it has been delayed. The 1700 (lowest 8/16 part) will be a strong 7700K competitor but really for budget creators rather than gamers; there have already been leaked gaming benchmarks putting the 8/16 Ryzen below the 7700K - which is to be expected by the IPC and single-thread differences. Keep in mind tests done on modern AAA games suggest none really use more than 4 cores or 6 threads (I posted about this before on BN).

The short of it is, this opens up the arena for $300+ buyers and gives a relatively inexpensive alternative to Intel's 6-core parts, but the weak memory controller will stifle any plans for solid quad-channel performance. Again, all expected. Anybody surprised or excited by these results may not have been paying attention. Is it newsworthy? Somewhat, yeah, it means more options for everyone. It's just not a killer product - the platform is too immature for it to be a spoiler, but it does open up the market. I can't say anything ill about it - just want people to temper their expectations with reality.

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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 21:14
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 21:14
Feb 11, 2017, 21:14
 
Slick wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 18:23:
I've been wanting to build another AMD system since the 3000+, I'll take excuse.

I also want their graphics division to pick up the pace. Vega 11 will be *mid* ranged but with HBM2? WTF?

Also, anyone else see the story that Intel will be using AMG iGPUs in Intel CPUs? Rumour, but probably true, due to the legal action nvidia took against them finally ending (6 year settlement? 200m per year paid to NV from INtel? crazy)

where did you hear vega 11 would have hbm2? from what i've read only vega 10 would have hbm2, which will be the high end part.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 20:51
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 20:51
Feb 11, 2017, 20:51
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jdreyer wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 20:42:
The thing about the Scarif data center I appreciated is that the plans were air-gapped to prevent a network intrusion.

Don't read the comments section then, it's kinda painful. I'm amazed how many people *STILL* don't understand the concepts of sneakernet (i.e. why it's sometimes better to physically transport massive amounts of data, tho that's only peripheral to what happened in Rogue One) and air gaps. And this was OLD data that wasn't required to be accessed on a daily basis anymore since the Death Star was, ya know, built. Obviously the day-to-day data requirements were duplicated since R2 accessed them on the Death Star in Episode 4.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 20:42
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 20:42
Feb 11, 2017, 20:42
 
The thing about the Scarif data center I appreciated is that the plans were air-gapped to prevent a network intrusion.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 20:30
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Feb 11, 2017, 20:30
 
The Half Elf wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 19:05:
AMD is great... ON PAPER. Until a finish retail product comes out I wouldn't hold your breath. I would love for AMD to compete with Intel again.

Yeah, these are non-turbo, early silicon, synthetic benchmarks on a low grade motherboard with slow memory. While the numbers look good, it's really hard to judge how that will translate into real-world performance. IIRC, Bulldozer had good synthetic benchmarks too. We'll just have to wait for retail reviews.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 20:00
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Feb 11, 2017, 20:00
 
ryzen is definitely going to be slower, but it's definitely not going to matter because it'll be "fast enough" for almost anybody
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 19:29
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 19:29
Feb 11, 2017, 19:29
 
There are gameplay performance videos out there they're just not scrutinized in much the same way as a preview from a reputable third-party source while still running on limited hardware.

As for the pricing rumors, I'm on the fence. On one hand AMD is holding their prices close to their chests but on the other hand it's not a single leak but rather multiple leaks from multiple retailers which haven't retracted the figures shown as either placeholders or incorrect. They're all referencing hard data rather than word of mouth from a cousin of a developer.

It's interesting times in the CPU market. If we entertain the possibility that the prices are correct or even ballpark then I am pretty damn excited about how cheap their Ryzen 5 6/12 or 4/8 models will be along with a modest B350 board.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 19:07
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 19:07
Feb 11, 2017, 19:07
 
Dr donkles wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 17:28:
Holy shit, this thing curbstomps the 7700K.

I was really not expecting that. Now i want to upgrade

16 threads on the AMD vs 8 threads on the 7700k. If you look at the single core data, the 7700k is still the stronger cpu.

For relative single core performance, see this image:

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/02/AMD-Ryzen-Chart-6.png

of course, with the boost enabled and the ram actually running at legitimate timings, this can only get better. the intel is running @ 4.2 ghz vs 3.4 on the AMD, so this could very well be a better chip at equivalent clocks. we should all wait and see some real-world benchmarking with this before jumping on the AMD2017 train, IMO. Have to say, things are looking good so far though!
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 19:05
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 19:05
Feb 11, 2017, 19:05
 
AMD is great... ON PAPER. Until a finish retail product comes out I wouldn't hold your breath. I would love for AMD to compete with Intel again.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 18:48
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 18:48
Feb 11, 2017, 18:48
 
Yep looks solid there, next final release and game benches.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 18:23
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 18:23
Feb 11, 2017, 18:23
 Slick
 
I've been wanting to build another AMD system since the 3000+, I'll take excuse.

I also want their graphics division to pick up the pace. Vega 11 will be *mid* ranged but with HBM2? WTF?

Also, anyone else see the story that Intel will be using AMG iGPUs in Intel CPUs? Rumour, but probably true, due to the legal action nvidia took against them finally ending (6 year settlement? 200m per year paid to NV from INtel? crazy)
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 18:13
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits Feb 11, 2017, 18:13
Feb 11, 2017, 18:13
 
HoSpanky wrote on Feb 11, 2017, 16:33:
Well, I'm definitely excited about the hardware, but keeping my excitement in check...this is AMD we're talking about here. They've been unable to come close to Intel performance for ...ever. So one benchmark set on a site that is rife with rumors isn't gonna sway me. I want gaming benchmarks with these things, as those are what I use that muscle for. Also, what's the single-core performance like, because that's where games are held back most often still.

I'm hoping AMD finally puts Intel back into a price war. Oh god, please! I just have a hard time believing AMD actually pulled it off.
Exactly, we have no idea what the prices will be nor what real results from a reliable site look like.
It's all rumour and conjecture until a reputable site reviews a retail cpu.
That being said, everyone here wants this processor to succeed.
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Re: Saturday Tech Bits
Feb 11, 2017, 17:28
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Feb 11, 2017, 17:28
 
Holy shit, this thing curbstomps the 7700K.

I was really not expecting that. Now i want to upgrade
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