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Diablo III Postmortem

Diabloii.net now offers the first part of an interview they conducted with Jay Wilson as a postmortem of Diablo III. Wilson was game director from the game's inception, and he discusses some of the highlights and lowlights of his experience with the action/RPG sequel. Interestingly, he says the auction house that had to be removed from the game like a malignant growth was not actually the lowlight of his experience:

Lowlights: I’m going to avoid the typical stuff. Everyone reading this hopefully knows that things like Error 37 and the Auction House sucked, and were unfortunate issues, but honestly those things were transitory compared to the longer term stresses.

Running a project for seven, nearly eight years, is grueling. There is a lot of time for self-doubt. Imposter syndrome was huge. From the day I started until the day I left I kept waiting for security to show up, tell me there had been a mistake, and escort me out.

As the Game Director you’re also the guy who has to say no…all the time…to everyone. Everyone has ideas, and lots of them are great, but not all are possible or compatible with the game being made. As a result you’re constantly crapping on people’s ideas, which doesn’t feel great, and feeds right back into the self-doubt stuff.

The truth was, though, if I quit then Diablo 3 might not have happened, and I couldn’t live with that, so I never doubted that I should continue.

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31. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 21:08 Jivaro
 
I put way too many hours into this game to be overly critical. I enjoy playing it single or multiplayer, it got better with each patch and after the expansion, the Crusader was a great addition and I think the Necromancer will be as well.

Obviously it started off rough. As everyone has said...loot table, auction house, J-Wil thinking he is J-Lo, etc are all valid. The state of the game now however is much improved and quite frankly...Blizzard has bought a lot of goodwill from me. They make games I like to play and now I know that when they make a game that people don't want to play they fix it instead of abandoning it.

 
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30. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 19:22 Flatline
 
Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 09:29:
nin wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 08:49:
yet another nin grudge post about Jay Wilson

Even at the time it came out it was still a pretty decent game despite the flaws. People saying it outright sucked are being ridiculous.

It needed the loot tables overhauled. I bought it and quit playing pretty quickly because the loot system sucked, the game was insanely monotonous with the same game layout every time, and the monetization of the game at one point made breaking jars in one level the most appealing way to play.

I picked up the expansion on a whim on the cheap and it made for a vastly better experience. By that time Jay Wilson had left the game and they had introduced nephalim rifts, ditched the auction house, and the game was a little more fun.

Basically my biggest problem getting back into it for the last few seasons is that there's only so many ways you can get Dragonball Z level builds that are stupid fun and over the top. There needs to be more skill interaction and more viable end game builds and that's just not there with the current skill system.

This season I rolled a mage and had stupid fun with a disintegrate build, but there's that, there's an archon build, and not much else. The fun ran out.
 
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29. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 14:18 Tipsy McStagger
 
panbient wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 13:52:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 11:52:
So Have I... I even got it on my PS4...

I've platinum-ed the game on both PS3 and PS4. Cannot for the life of me get into it on the PC though. Have you tried couch co-op? It makes it exponentially more fun in my experience.

Nope, haven't done the couch co-op. Don't see myself doing it either because I usually play only late at night and I don't invite my friends over.
 
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28. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 13:52 panbient
 
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 11:52:
So Have I... I even got it on my PS4...

I've platinum-ed the game on both PS3 and PS4. Cannot for the life of me get into it on the PC though. Have you tried couch co-op? It makes it exponentially more fun in my experience.
 
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27. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 11:52 Tipsy McStagger
 
shiho wrote on Jan 23, 2017, 23:45:
I've installed it several times since then, including a few months ago. Shit's still all retarded.

So Have I... I even got it on my PS4...

But for some reason that I can't quite understand. I cannot for the life of me get into the game. I've tried really hard and I still find it shitty.

I end up playing it for a few weeks then going to path of exile.
 
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26. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 11:27 nin
 
Primalchrome wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 11:21:
The vitriol toward this guy is entirely earned. D3 at launch was trash. Auction house, online only, server overload, lag, horrific loot tables, and the cutesy take on what has historically been true dark fantasy. Why did Wilson push all these agendas? Projected revenue and to leave his 'mark' on what was already a very successful franchise. The cherry on top was his 'fuck the haters' and 'let them eat cake' stance after launch.

It took them over a year to undo half of the shit he did to the game.... I'm still not happy...but I doubt I will with many Blizzard projects going forward. There is nothing left of the amazing creative company that gave use Diablo and Warcraft. Not it is all about squeezing cash out of their target audience.


But...but...if he quit then Diablo 3 might not have happened, and he couldn’t live with that!

Oh, so modest...

 
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25. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 11:21 Primalchrome
 
The vitriol toward this guy is entirely earned. D3 at launch was trash. Auction house, online only, server overload, lag, horrific loot tables, and the cutesy take on what has historically been true dark fantasy. Why did Wilson push all these agendas? Projected revenue and to leave his 'mark' on what was already a very successful franchise. The cherry on top was his 'fuck the haters' and 'let them eat cake' stance after launch.

It took them over a year to undo half of the shit he did to the game.... I'm still not happy...but I doubt I will with many Blizzard projects going forward. There is nothing left of the amazing creative company that gave use Diablo and Warcraft. Not it is all about squeezing cash out of their target audience.
 
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24. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 10:41 Creston
 
From the day I started until the day I left I kept waiting for security to show up, tell me there had been a mistake, and escort me out.

Yeah, you weren't the only one.
 
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23. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 09:29 Verno
 
nin wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 08:49:
yet another nin grudge post about Jay Wilson

Bill Roper helped make Diablo great and look at the messes he's been involved in over the years. Cut the guy a little slack, hes a human being who didn't make the exact video game you wanted, not Donald fucking Trump. I was all over this guy for those fuck ups at the time but life moves on, jesus christ.

Even at the time it came out it was still a pretty decent game despite the flaws. People saying it outright sucked are being ridiculous.

At least no one posted this time saying "NO OFFLINE NO SALE!" though.
 
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22. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 09:04 Umbral
 

I always figured I'd play this game, someday, when it finally got cheap enough... Still waiting tho, Battle.net sucks.

 
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21. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 08:49 nin
 
Prez wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 08:43:
Diablo 3 at launch was an absolute travesty. The auction house, and the way loot drops were designed specifically around it, was a disgusting display of greed, arrogance, and cynicism. Fast forward to now after tons of fixing and updating and Diablo 3 is a good game. I've put a lot of time into it. It's a shame Wilson and company screwed it up so badly in the beginning.

It's definitely improved since he stepped away from it, for sure.

 
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20. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 08:47 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
Well, I don't like the direction Diablo 3 went in, or the AH nonsense it started with, but I definitely got my money's worth out of the game and expansion.

I also beat vanilla Inferno on my Witch Doctor with a yellow weapon and MAYBE 2-3 legendary armor pieces? Woohoo!

It's easy to bash Jay Wilson now, but honestly, aside from the AH, many of his choices were good, compared to the things the D3 team is doing these days. I'm looking at you, Seasonal bullshit, and Legendary set focus.
 
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19. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 08:43 Prez
 
Diablo 3 at launch was an absolute travesty. The auction house, and the way loot drops were designed specifically around it, was a disgusting display of greed, arrogance, and cynicism. Fast forward to now after tons of fixing and updating and Diablo 3 is a good game. I've put a lot of time into it. It's a shame Wilson and company screwed it up so badly in the beginning.  
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18. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 08:22 Wallshadows
 
When you turn yourself in to a meme and having that meme be the best way to describe the failure of the game: the game.  
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17. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 08:10 heroin
 
Blizzard's worst game ever. I wanted to like it and it's still a *good* game compared to most people's shitty games. But, I'd still rather go play Grim Dawn or even... Book of Demons... shit, I'd even play Path of Exile... what I really mean is that I'd rather play SERIOUS SAM over this boring piece of fluff.  
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16. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 07:48 Armengar
 
whilst it might not be in the spirit of general D3 bashing, I have had a good run with D3. Played since opening night and pretty much enjoyed it over the years. The auction house was fine, until the Chinese farmers took over, then it was useless. I tend to go back every few months for a weeks worth and this seems to be the sweet spot for me. Not sure how many hours I have in the game - probably close to 1000 I guess (Ive geared each character apart from a monk to "decent" gear) I think either barbarian or WD have been my favourite and I started with a WD on opening night.  
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15. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 07:38 nin
 
Graham wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 02:25:
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2017, 20:44:
Jay Wilson!? "Fuck that loser"!


This is why the gaming community at large is so damned toxic. The guy sits down to do an honest post mortem and the first reply is a fucking meme.

Grow up.

The guy insulted David Brevik (with that quote), one of the guys work worked on Diablo and D2.

Know your history before you mouth off.

 
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14. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 06:24 Redmask
 
Graham wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 02:25:
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2017, 20:44:
Jay Wilson!? "Fuck that loser"!


This is why the gaming community at large is so damned toxic. The guy sits down to do an honest post mortem and the first reply is a fucking meme.

Grow up.

That's not a meme, its a direct Jay Wilson quote about one of the creators of Diablo after he criticized the direction they took with Diablo 3. It's fair game as per the "he who smelt it, dealt it" rule. Please consult your own fucking Grow Up manual.

Your assessment is off too. Let's just skip over the bad parts and offer a bunch of meaningless wank with no real insights, an honest post mortem indeed.
 
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13. Re: Evening Legal Briefs Jan 24, 2017, 06:02 LiTh
 
Graham wrote on Jan 24, 2017, 02:25:
nin wrote on Jan 23, 2017, 20:44:
Jay Wilson!? "Fuck that loser"!


This is why the gaming community at large is so damned toxic. The guy sits down to do an honest post mortem and the first reply is a fucking meme.

Grow up.

A meme? More like a direct quote.
 
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12. Re: Diablo III Postmortem Jan 24, 2017, 04:24 VaranDragon
 
NetHead wrote on Jan 23, 2017, 21:34:
The truth was, though, if I quit then Diablo 3 might not have happened,

Damn...


lol

Yeah the ego of this guy is beyond the scale. He also scrapped all the work Blizzard North made on the game and started from scratch with his own "vision". Fuck that loser indeed.
 
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