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Orogogus wrote on Dec 28, 2016, 18:00:bigspender wrote on Dec 28, 2016, 16:48:
The big money are these chronic diseases, they never go away as long as the patients keep following the doctors dietary advice. (And it's easy advice to follow, when the doctor tells you to eat more bacon)
I don't expect big pharma to be telling people that heart disease is completely optional, avoidable and reversible. That's the doctors job - but when the doctors (who are viewed as trusted sources) have been primed to pass on false information, then that is pretty awful.
So while Big Pharma isn't causing the diseases directly, it's certainly enabling other industries and companies to create the market for them.
It's not just the doctors either, it's the USDA and so on. They're all in bed together, and if it wasn't for organisations like PCRM.org putting in lawsuits against the USDA then we'd probably be eating pork with pre-injected statins and thinking that our genes are the cause of our chronic diseases.
I don't see a ton of evidence that the medical establishment has been primed to dispense bad dietary advice. I've never heard of doctors telling people to eat more bacon.
Orogogus wrote on Dec 28, 2016, 18:00:
The health problems that come out of obesity happen pretty much by themselves, there's very little need or incentive for Big Pharma to try to make it any worse.
Orogogus wrote on Dec 28, 2016, 18:00:Definitely agree that the ultimate responsibility falls on the individual. I'm just making a fuss because it's very hard to make informed decisions with all of they're sneaky tactics and noise they create on purpose. (The various industries constantly publish and fund research which is specifically manufactured to show positive results for them. And for the general public the research looks legitimate, but if you look closer then you can see how they've fudged the results E.g. they'll publish research saying eggs don't raise cholesterol, but when you look at the numbers, you'll see that the cholesterol of the participants was already at maximum levels, so no matter how they ate, it couldn't go any higher)
Americans, and developed nations in general, lean towards self-destructive gluttony. It's a very, very hard thing to reverse, stop or slow down. Whenever and wherever there's widespread economic growth obesity and diabetes follow.