even when it's clearly explained they still don't get it. shows how trustworthy the opinions of star citizen critics are

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 11:50:

Luke wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 11:42:
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Brain cells were literally sucked out of my head.

Try not to be too hard on Luke. If I had to guess I would say that English is his second or third language. Many people here have commented on how his comments don't make sense and I tend to agree. I think he's trying as best he can. He seems to hate Microsoft, Facebook, and Chris Roberts. Other than that I have understood probably the last 10 comments that he has made and maybe a few more. If you insult him directly or indirectly you're just kicking a person that has already been insulted on here many times before and it makes you look like an asshole. Not insulting you and not in love with Luke personally, just saying.

I can definitely see where some of the confusion is coming from. If we naively believe what the chief liar Christ Roberts has been telling us for the past three years then CIG has turned the CryEngine inside out and outside in. It is supposed to be so heavily modified as to be unrecognizable by now.

The other puzzling bit is that CIG has supposedly been working on a total netcode revamp for about three years as well. Netcode has pretty much become their standard excuse for when shit doesn't work (i.e. all the time).

So, it is indeed quite mysterious how they can simply switch to Lumberyard with a heavily modified CryEngine or how they can simply (un)plug their 3+ years in development netcode to make it work with AWS/Lumberyard infrastructure.

Something is not right here... they either lied about the level of modifications they made to the CE or they lied about their netcode revamp or both.

You can not simply roll back from heavily customized to standard CryEngine/Lumberyard overnight.
It would be a biblical miracle if this switch did not require an adaptation of the dev tools, the (net)code base, the interfaces, the plugins, the scripts, and all the other customized elements etc. etc.

I don't get how this, according to CR, "... took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team". That does not seem possible to me unless they totally lied about their own previous work on the CryEngine. Or his definition of the "core of the engine" means they replaced the "copyright by Crytek" by "copyright by Lumberyard" (2.6 splash screen shows no references to Crytek anymore).
What he is not telling us, of course, is that the "non-core" of the engine (and their own tools) is probably going to require a massive rewrite and revamp in order to make the adaptations.

On a whole, I still consider this as their admission that they could not hack the netcode. 3+ years of netcode revamp right down the toilet to be replaced by AWS infrastructure. Good job. Not.

Luke wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 11:42:
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Brain cells were literally sucked out of my head.

thecakeisalie wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 01:59:

Eirikrautha wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 21:04:

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 15:59:
favorite comment from phobos512

Here's the thing. Back in the day we'd have heard about this game as a sentence in a magazine article/interview ("working on something really neat," etc.). There would've been rumors for months to years and eventually a full page ad buy and then an article. And then it would've come out. Instead we follow the entire process every step of the way and we are enabled to know and criticize everything. It's a complete paradigm shift and it's hard because people are so damned impatient.

One other minor difference: you wouldn't have paid a cent before it came out either.

The publishers who funded the game would have been all up in CR's grill, with timed milestones, preview builds, constant updates, etc. But, CR already has your money, and he could declare tomorrow that the game was done as it is and you couldn't do a thing about it. There are fewer checks on CR now than there ever have been. Some people celebrate that. Some are terrified by it.

I think people are more justified being terrified, especially if they are in for thousands. I'm only in for a basic package and I feel like I've been ripped off. CR has missed every deadline he, himself, has set. Every. Single. One. He's made a lot of dodgy and questionable decisions and refuses to provide a proper accounting of how he's spent our money. Yes, our money. Reports from employees leaving his company are not promising. The self-proclaimed Internet Warlord, Derek Smart, is looking more and more like he called it right when he said that CR was too incompetent to manage a project of the bloated scope that he allowed SC to become.

Just stop giving those " i may make the game" people ..if they want too really want too make a game they will get it done WITHOUT begging...fools

Yep, Star Citizen is behind schedule.
Yep, Star Citizen is producing a huge game.
Yep, Star Citizen still maintains a very open development process.
Yep, people for some odd reason think a failed video game developer, that is well known to lie, cheat and outright steal, is a source of accurate information. But for some reason, some people like to hang on the words of a failed video game developer that thinks he has inside sources (one of the big ones he loves to quote has about a 20% success rate for his insider information and we will just leave it at that.)

The move "to" Lumberjack is already done. 2.6 is out. Which uses lumberjack. Are people saying they should have stuck with base CryTek stuff, because you know the company Crytek probably won't be around much longer?

the above was plagiarized

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 08:20:

SlimRam wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 01:58:
Hmmmm...after that post I think it's finally time to say it...

Welcome back harlock/rudra it's been awhile!

GTFO, you might just have nailed it.

Slick, how do you feel about that.

My powers of observation often scare MYSELF. Please observe 2 post above for Mr. Harlock's responce Slick and CJ Parker seem to be literally separated at birth. They both have HUGE superiority complexes and love to talk down to any unfortunate soul that actually wants to comment on a subject that they happen to be upon. Hell, they even have almost the same computer config as they said a few days ago. I do not care so let them do what they do, doesn't really matter to me *bows*. Merry Christmas to All!!!

SlimRam wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 01:58:
Hmmmm...after that post I think it's finally time to say it...

Welcome back harlock/rudra it's been awhile!

GTFO, you might just have nailed it.

Slick, how do you feel about that.

The absence of belief is not the same as belief.

It's also funny as hell to see some, otherwise usually very reasonable, people on Blues completely lose their shit when the discussion shifts to Starcitizen.

SlimRam wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 01:58:
Welcome back

Eirikrautha wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 21:04:

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 15:59:
favorite comment from phobos512

Here's the thing. Back in the day we'd have heard about this game as a sentence in a magazine article/interview ("working on something really neat," etc.). There would've been rumors for months to years and eventually a full page ad buy and then an article. And then it would've come out. Instead we follow the entire process every step of the way and we are enabled to know and criticize everything. It's a complete paradigm shift and it's hard because people are so damned impatient.

One other minor difference: you wouldn't have paid a cent before it came out either.

The publishers who funded the game would have been all up in CR's grill, with timed milestones, preview builds, constant updates, etc. But, CR already has your money, and he could declare tomorrow that the game was done as it is and you couldn't do a thing about it. There are fewer checks on CR now than there ever have been. Some people celebrate that. Some are terrified by it.

I think people are more justified being terrified, especially if they are in for thousands. I'm only in for a basic package and I feel like I've been ripped off. CR has missed every deadline he, himself, has set. Every. Single. One. He's made a lot of dodgy and questionable decisions and refuses to provide a proper accounting of how he's spent our money. Yes, our money. Reports from employees leaving his company are not promising. The self-proclaimed Internet Warlord, Derek Smart, is looking more and more like he called it right when he said that CR was too incompetent to manage a project of the bloated scope that he allowed SC to become.

Agent-Zero wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 01:05:

Korrd wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 00:43:

Slick wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:59:

Agent-Zero wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:57:

Korrd wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:45:

Depends on the project, but as noted in the text this isn't really an engine switch.

ok... what is it then, "really"?

jesus christ

Quite, but to answer the question in earnest (because apparently it's challenging to read the content before commenting?): it is switching to another branch of Cryengine. It's pretty much like when a new version of the engine you're using is released and you update to that, except in this case it's from a different provider.

so you would call it a version switch... I already assumed it was not the same thing as switching to Unreal or something with a different code base... but its interesting to see how people choose to define words according to their particular perspectives - considering the title of the post is "engine switch"

yeh i dont click on weblinks posted by dumbfucks so i have no idea what the rest is about, but you dont have to bother with that either because i could care less

Hmmmm...after that post I think it's finally time to say it...

Welcome back harlock/rudra it's been awhile!

Korrd wrote on Dec 26, 2016, 00:43:

Slick wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:59:

Agent-Zero wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:57:

Korrd wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:45:

Depends on the project, but as noted in the text this isn't really an engine switch.

ok... what is it then, "really"?

jesus christ

Quite, but to answer the question in earnest (because apparently it's challenging to read the content before commenting?): it is switching to another branch of Cryengine. It's pretty much like when a new version of the engine you're using is released and you update to that, except in this case it's from a different provider.

so you would call it a version switch... I already assumed it was not the same thing as switching to Unreal or something with a different code base... but its interesting to see how people choose to define words according to their particular perspectives - considering the title of the post is "engine switch"

yeh i dont click on weblinks posted by dumbfucks so i have no idea what the rest is about, but you dont have to bother with that either because i could care less

Slick wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:59:

Agent-Zero wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:57:

Korrd wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:45:

Depends on the project, but as noted in the text this isn't really an engine switch.

ok... what is it then, "really"?

jesus christ

Quite, but to answer the question in earnest (because apparently it's challenging to read the content before commenting?): it is switching to another branch of Cryengine. It's pretty much like when a new version of the engine you're using is released and you update to that, except in this case it's from a different provider.

I know I said out of sight out of mind and I still am but even this made my jaw hit the floor.

lol.

As a programmer myself I can say these things can go easy, especially if its engineered well...it probably was as simple as updating the library reference location (like the physical locations of the libraries they are already using).

They probably had to say something rather than slipping it by in the dev notes or whatever the dev updates are there now....this probably wasn't a big deal, but it is funny as hell. haha.

I really could care less what other people spend on their games/hobbies. They owe me no explanation at all...;) If people want to discuss real and actual cases of people throwing away money...look at the hundreds of millions of dollars the Clinton campaign and the Bush campaign soaked up this year. Now *that's* a rip-off...;) As it is the people buying into Star Citizen are adults and I think there's an excellent probability that contributors to SC will see a much better return on their money than those poor Clinton Democrat and Bush Republican dupes this year...;)

Oh before I forget...Merry Christmas, everyone!...;)

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 19:19:
The game could be accused of having a cult-like following . Some have even gone so far as to spend hundreds of dollars.

Hundreds? Oh no. Try THOUSANDS. They have multiple options on their site for thousand+ things. They wouldn't have those if they didn't sell.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 15:59:
favorite comment from phobos512

Here's the thing. Back in the day we'd have heard about this game as a sentence in a magazine article/interview ("working on something really neat," etc.). There would've been rumors for months to years and eventually a full page ad buy and then an article. And then it would've come out. Instead we follow the entire process every step of the way and we are enabled to know and criticize everything. It's a complete paradigm shift and it's hard because people are so damned impatient.

One other minor difference: you wouldn't have paid a cent before it came out either.

The publishers who funded the game would have been all up in CR's grill, with timed milestones, preview builds, constant updates, etc. But, CR already has your money, and he could declare tomorrow that the game was done as it is and you couldn't do a thing about it. There are fewer checks on CR now than there ever have been. Some people celebrate that. Some are terrified by it.

Agent-Zero wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:57:

Korrd wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:45:

Ludomancer wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:37:
Isn't the "Engine-Switch" the death-knell for any game project?

Depends on the project, but as noted in the text this isn't really an engine switch.

ok... what is it then, "really"?

jesus christ

Korrd wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:45:

Ludomancer wrote on Dec 25, 2016, 20:37:
Isn't the "Engine-Switch" the death-knell for any game project?

Depends on the project, but as noted in the text this isn't really an engine switch.

ok... what is it then, "really"?