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41. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 18, 2016, 11:13 Dacote
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:35:
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:58:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:52:
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:24:
Slick wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 21:49:
[... Trump got less votes than McCain or Romney.
Not true... Official totals from CNN's website:
Hillary:65,788,583
Trump: 62,955,363
Romney: 60,771,703
McCain: 58,343,671
results from CNN:
Obama: 65,455,010
Obama: 66,882,230

While we're at it, can someone explain the meaning of LandSlide to the orange twitter troll.

He would have said that if he won by a 1/2 an electorate that is how he explains most things, all extreme. He did win by a healthy electorate, but yeah popular vote country as divided as ever and I'll be amazed he'll be the one to unify, lol.
Why would you even go so far as to say he won by a "healthy" electorate, because it wasn't, the win deserves no other adjective. If you must qualify it, than "an American tragedy" comes to mind.
ranked 46 out of 58, it was huuuuge. Sheesh
 
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40. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 18, 2016, 01:19 HorrorScope
 
MrBone wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 19:38:
Trump is the next President. Deal with it and move on.

Agreed. As stated if something is there, have the experts deal with it. But there is no turning back, you can't undo this now, that would be unaccepted by the people. As a person that didn't want anyone to win, lol, the wheels are in motion. Now lets see how good or bad this man is. My bar is set at I hope he doesn't do something incredibly stupid and dangerous.
 
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39. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 18, 2016, 01:09 HorrorScope
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 14:41:
I admit I did not expect such a profound explanation I can not discount your point that an outsider perspective will always have a vastly different perception... but to accept it, is to admit defeat.

I look at it as accepting we are human. We can never truly measure if it is better or worse, however I don't hold onto the past as some type of better world, in fact I think we vastly over-rate it, again a circular human behavior.

I look at the current world as always better in general, people wouldn't accept something if they felt it wasn't, even if they say something against it in the now, so many advancements are glossed over with such weak thoughts. It perhaps is all a mind game and how you want to look at it and accept it. Think Tony Robbins and the power of positive thinking.

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38. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 23:41 KilrathiAce
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:21:
Im not disputing the info that CIA has on the Russian hacks. But why would they make it public?? What's the motivation there? I see two possible reasons. And neither are good:

1) They want to make Trump look bad or in league with Putin
2) They are warmongering.

Whatever your personal political views (Im no fan of Trump) its making these agencies look bad, or at least incompetent.

There are two possibilities as far as I can see:
1. There is no evidence and it was all partisan hearsay from the beginning that was eaten up by a partisan MSM.
2. There is evidence, but it was gained from NSA-style SAPs, and can't be discussed without Snowden-ing themselves.
 
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37. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 19:38 MrBone
 
Trump is the next President. Deal with it and move on.  
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36. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 18:00 JediPunisher
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:43:
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:44:
There was a native New Yorker and a hillbilly in this presidential race... I'll let you figure out which is which.
BTW, I'm a native Californian currently living near Seattle and I have an IQ of 170 17. Can you guess who I voted for?

And fixed.
Thanks for that correction... Wow, that makes you twice as smart as I am. Shocked2
 
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35. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 14:55 VaranDragon
 
Saboth wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:31:
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:21:
Im not disputing the info that CIA has on the Russian hacks. But why would they make it public?? What's the motivation there? I see two possible reasons. And neither are good:

1) They want to make Trump look bad or in league with Putin
2) They are warmongering.

Whatever your personal political views (Im no fan of Trump) its making these agencies look bad, or at least incompetent.

3) If our election was tampered with, the results are questionable, and we should consider what to do about it. An outside government used cyber warfare to influence our election. It's probably impossible to determine if Trump won solely because of interference from Russia's hacks, their pumping fake news stories into our media and other propaganda, but it's not something to dismiss either. People dismiss propaganda offhand, thinking they are too smart to fall for it, but propaganda works. The reason ISIS has been so successful is solely from their information network and their propaganda. People wonder how someone could be so stupid as to join up with a terrorist organization - it's because effective propaganda does have the power to influence people and populations. It's reported that 60% of people get their news from Facebook. Facebook was full of false news that swayed peoples' opinions. There are interviews with people that were asked why they voted for Trump. Those people then list a litany of fake news stories like Hillary is running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor as the reason they voted for Trump. Yes, it seems implausible, but there were a great deal of people influenced by the hacks, wikileaks, fake news and other propaganda, and we shouldn't just accept it and move on. It sounds like being sore losers, but this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed by the American government and the voters.

The problem is one of security. If its a security issue, you deal with it quietly. You can't stop outside influence, it's always going to be there, you can however try to plug the leaks. By making this shit public, you have two agencies which should by definition be APOLITICAL influencing the political process directly. If you can't see how dangerous this is then there is not really much we can discuss further.
 
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34. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 14:41 eRe4s3r
 
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:54:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:19:
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 04:38:
Until there is clear proof, I consider this "FBI/CIA Russia did it" spin fake news ;)

I wouldn't label that under fake news. That is news made by Prez, Congress, 16 agencies, it is real news. If it is all incorrect by design, that would actually be worse than fake news.

You mean a intentional misleading narrative spun with post-factual truths? Why.. I could have sworn that we saw something like this just recently......

I guess as a German, I also have the freedom to automatically assume that anything the US gov says is a lie. They've been lying about spying on us after all, they've lied when they were caught red-handed spying on Merkel, they lied about WMD's in Iraq...

See the problem is the institutions you quoted do not create faith in their words in me, they create endless doubt. ;/

Perhaps, but that isn't what is being labeled as Fake News. It is another thing, that in actuality would be worse if fabricated.

I do get your point, but perhaps try to look even deeper past the lies. The lies have been there forever, from everyone, since dawn and will continues to be, we cannot stop that. Demanding actions causes rifts. I say this because everyone ever in office has fallen victim to it, if it was a bad apple here or there I'd conclude something else, but everyone has lied to a certain level at the very least.

So I have to surrender if I were to run for office, avg joe, won, that first you and everyone else not even knowing me just assumes I'm a lying douche, it is what we do. But to me I'm still my ole self, good or bad. I know some go in with proper intentions. But something happens, imo it is seeing all the requests, hearing all the issues, looking at budgets, looking at time, looking at obligations. It consumes, it twists all. You are right they lie, but good ole you in the same place, you'd be a liar as well, but you like them would be able to justify it because of being put between a rock and a hard place a decision had to be made, you weighed and did the best you thought. So if we are all liars, we have to accept that is what the job does to the person.

So I have long ago accepted I've been lied to by my country something terrible, it isn't a maybe in my mind, it happened and still happens. But I had to dig deeper to see how I can justify this, use history as a guide. This is the way it has always been. Like kids these days. You know the stupid things we all live over and over again, person to person, generation to generation. That a person promising things becomes a trap, you can't promise and predict as well as you hope to. Like ship dates on games, some people will hold you to it, some to an extreme level, in this case it is just a game, those making games have found not promising works best, but being an official, you can't escape so easily, actions are demanded.

I also have fully embraced Heaven is not obtainable on Earth and don't even attempt to think anything close is possible. I've accepted all the warts of man, the goal now is to be a little bit better today than yesterday and that is something mans history shows we can do. We can do that. We can reach that. But we need gov't and the liars it creates to do that. It's a necessary evil, we wouldn't find we are better off without a gov't, after the deep pain created by thinking otherwise again, insert failed history lesson, a new gov't would be propped up, it will come with all the same traits as before, the broken promises, the lies, but it also gives standards we can't have otherwise, good standards, standards that are greater than the evils it creates.

It will be exactly this: "Meet the new boss, same..., King is dead, long..." sayings that are time tested and true. We'll have the same problems on the other side no matter what, the individual promises of something better will also be looked back to as just another lie, the overall results though will still be better than nothing.

I admit I did not expect such a profound explanation I can not discount your point that an outsider perspective will always have a vastly different perception... but to accept it, is to admit defeat. Not just to the government, but also humanity as a whole. Because with such a system we can not ever hope to survive changing climate or overpopulation or whatever else ails us in the future. As long as I have to always assume that my gov lies, the gov has a real lack of legitimacy. And the greater this becomes, the worse the counter reaction is by empowering angry and emotional reactions.

Although I am not sure I would prefer a politician that tells me a truth I don't want to hear. Maybe in the current system and political climate, that would actually be much worse.

Anyhow, I shall link you to this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F3y2bJzDJQ
which is not at all related to real world thankfully... (WH40k lore video)
 
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33. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 11:54 HorrorScope
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:19:
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 04:38:
Until there is clear proof, I consider this "FBI/CIA Russia did it" spin fake news ;)

I wouldn't label that under fake news. That is news made by Prez, Congress, 16 agencies, it is real news. If it is all incorrect by design, that would actually be worse than fake news.

You mean a intentional misleading narrative spun with post-factual truths? Why.. I could have sworn that we saw something like this just recently......

I guess as a German, I also have the freedom to automatically assume that anything the US gov says is a lie. They've been lying about spying on us after all, they've lied when they were caught red-handed spying on Merkel, they lied about WMD's in Iraq...

See the problem is the institutions you quoted do not create faith in their words in me, they create endless doubt. ;/

Perhaps, but that isn't what is being labeled as Fake News. It is another thing, that in actuality would be worse if fabricated.

I do get your point, but perhaps try to look even deeper past the lies. The lies have been there forever, from everyone, since dawn and will continues to be, we cannot stop that. Demanding actions causes rifts. I say this because everyone ever in office has fallen victim to it, if it was a bad apple here or there I'd conclude something else, but everyone has lied to a certain level at the very least.

So I have to surrender if I were to run for office, avg joe, won, that first you and everyone else not even knowing me just assumes I'm a lying douche, it is what we do. But to me I'm still my ole self, good or bad. I know some go in with proper intentions. But something happens, imo it is seeing all the requests, hearing all the issues, looking at budgets, looking at time, looking at obligations. It consumes, it twists all. You are right they lie, but good ole you in the same place, you'd be a liar as well, but you like them would be able to justify it because of being put between a rock and a hard place a decision had to be made, you weighed and did the best you thought. So if we are all liars, we have to accept that is what the job does to the person.

So I have long ago accepted I've been lied to by my country something terrible, it isn't a maybe in my mind, it happened and still happens. But I had to dig deeper to see how I can justify this, use history as a guide. This is the way it has always been. Like kids these days. You know the stupid things we all live over and over again, person to person, generation to generation. That a person promising things becomes a trap, you can't promise and predict as well as you hope to. Like ship dates on games, some people will hold you to it, some to an extreme level, in this case it is just a game, those making games have found not promising works best, but being an official, you can't escape so easily, actions are demanded.

I also have fully embraced Heaven is not obtainable on Earth and don't even attempt to think anything close is possible. I've accepted all the warts of man, the goal now is to be a little bit better today than yesterday and that is something mans history shows we can do. We can do that. We can reach that. But we need gov't and the liars it creates to do that. It's a necessary evil, we wouldn't find we are better off without a gov't, after the deep pain created by thinking otherwise again, insert failed history lesson, a new gov't would be propped up, it will come with all the same traits as before, the broken promises, the lies, but it also gives standards we can't have otherwise, good standards, standards that are greater than the evils it creates.

It will be exactly this: "Meet the new boss, same..., King is dead, long..." sayings that are time tested and true. We'll have the same problems on the other side no matter what, the individual promises of something better will also be looked back to as just another lie, the overall results though will still be better than nothing.

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32. Re: climb down from the hill, o kings Dec 17, 2016, 11:50 Agent-Zero
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 11:19:
I guess as a German human being, I also have the freedom requirement to automatically assume that anything the US gov anyone says is a lie.

..this is... how you say.... ?

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31. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 11:43 Cutter
 
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:44:
There was a native New Yorker and a hillbilly in this presidential race... I'll let you figure out which is which.
BTW, I'm a native Californian currently living near Seattle and I have an IQ of 170 17. Can you guess who I voted for?

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30. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 11:35 RedEye9
 
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:58:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:52:
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:24:
Slick wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 21:49:
[... Trump got less votes than McCain or Romney.
Not true... Official totals from CNN's website:
Hillary:65,788,583
Trump: 62,955,363
Romney: 60,771,703
McCain: 58,343,671
results from CNN:
Obama: 65,455,010
Obama: 66,882,230

While we're at it, can someone explain the meaning of LandSlide to the orange twitter troll.

He would have said that if he won by a 1/2 an electorate that is how he explains most things, all extreme. He did win by a healthy electorate, but yeah popular vote country as divided as ever and I'll be amazed he'll be the one to unify, lol.
Why would you even go so far as to say he won by a "healthy" electorate, because it wasn't, the win deserves no other adjective. If you must qualify it, than "an American tragedy" comes to mind.
 
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29. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 11:19 eRe4s3r
 
HorrorScope wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:32:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 04:38:
Until there is clear proof, I consider this "FBI/CIA Russia did it" spin fake news ;)

I wouldn't label that under fake news. That is news made by Prez, Congress, 16 agencies, it is real news. If it is all incorrect by design, that would actually be worse than fake news.

You mean a intentional misleading narrative spun with post-factual truths? Why.. I could have sworn that we saw something like this just recently......

I guess as a German, I also have the freedom to automatically assume that anything the US gov says is a lie. They've been lying about spying on us after all, they've lied when they were caught red-handed spying on Merkel, they lied about WMD's in Iraq...

See the problem is the institutions you quoted do not create faith in their words in me, they create endless doubt. ;/
 
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28. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:58 HorrorScope
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:52:
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:24:
Slick wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 21:49:
[... Trump got less votes than McCain or Romney.
Not true... Official totals from CNN's website:
Hillary:65,788,583
Trump: 62,955,363
Romney: 60,771,703
McCain: 58,343,671
results from CNN:
Obama: 65,455,010
Obama: 66,882,230

While we're at it, can someone explain the meaning of LandSlide to the orange twitter troll.

He would have said that if he won by a 1/2 an electorate that is how he explains most things, all extreme. He did win by a healthy electorate, but yeah popular vote country as divided as ever and I'll be amazed he'll be the one to unify, lol.
 
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27. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:52 RedEye9
 
JediPunisher wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 23:24:
Slick wrote on Dec 16, 2016, 21:49:
[... Trump got less votes than McCain or Romney.
Not true... Official totals from CNN's website:
Hillary:65,788,583
Trump: 62,955,363
Romney: 60,771,703
McCain: 58,343,671
results from CNN:
Obama: 65,455,010
Obama: 66,882,230

While we're at it, can someone explain the meaning of LandSlide to the orange twitter troll.
 
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26. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:42 HorrorScope
 
I thought GW was a hoot, this guy here is the gem:

Trump being Trump...
http://tinyurl.com/z6oxhzk

Talking about some who called his supporters deplorable, right after he just called them crazy, nuts, viscous and violent. Then tells them all to mellow they've won. Without actions they want, they haven't won anything. They maybe all what you said, but they aren't that forgettable.

Or is this fake news because it is mainstream CNN and that is all CGI?
 
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25. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:32 HorrorScope
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 04:38:
Until there is clear proof, I consider this "FBI/CIA Russia did it" spin fake news ;)

I wouldn't label that under fake news. That is news made by Prez, Congress, 16 agencies, it is real news. If it is all incorrect by design, that would actually be worse than fake news.
 
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24. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:31 Saboth
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 17, 2016, 10:21:
Im not disputing the info that CIA has on the Russian hacks. But why would they make it public?? What's the motivation there? I see two possible reasons. And neither are good:

1) They want to make Trump look bad or in league with Putin
2) They are warmongering.

Whatever your personal political views (Im no fan of Trump) its making these agencies look bad, or at least incompetent.

3) If our election was tampered with, the results are questionable, and we should consider what to do about it. An outside government used cyber warfare to influence our election. It's probably impossible to determine if Trump won solely because of interference from Russia's hacks, their pumping fake news stories into our media and other propaganda, but it's not something to dismiss either. People dismiss propaganda offhand, thinking they are too smart to fall for it, but propaganda works. The reason ISIS has been so successful is solely from their information network and their propaganda. People wonder how someone could be so stupid as to join up with a terrorist organization - it's because effective propaganda does have the power to influence people and populations. It's reported that 60% of people get their news from Facebook. Facebook was full of false news that swayed peoples' opinions. There are interviews with people that were asked why they voted for Trump. Those people then list a litany of fake news stories like Hillary is running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor as the reason they voted for Trump. Yes, it seems implausible, but there were a great deal of people influenced by the hacks, wikileaks, fake news and other propaganda, and we shouldn't just accept it and move on. It sounds like being sore losers, but this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed by the American government and the voters.
 
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23. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 10:21 VaranDragon
 
Im not disputing the info that CIA has on the Russian hacks. But why would they make it public?? What's the motivation there? I see two possible reasons. And neither are good:

1) They want to make Trump look bad or in league with Putin
2) They are warmongering.

Whatever your personal political views (Im no fan of Trump) its making these agencies look bad, or at least incompetent.
 
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22. Re: Evening Safety Dance Dec 17, 2016, 09:12 Beamer
 
How did you guys not comment on the "Russia today is more accurate than US news" post? Some here don't live anywhere near reality  
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