Op Ed

The Washington Post - Video games are more addictive than ever. This is what happens when kids can’t turn them off. Thanks RedEye9.
"Video games are more addictive than ever. This is what happens when kids can’t turn them off."

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Re: Op Ed
Dec 16, 2016, 09:25
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Re: Op Ed Dec 16, 2016, 09:25
Dec 16, 2016, 09:25
 
Melt them? Weird. Never saw an instruction about that. Best I did was get to about level 108 -- IIRC.

This comment was edited on Dec 16, 2016, 09:49.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 16, 2016, 01:37
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Dec 16, 2016, 01:37
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 15, 2016, 23:32:
I remember Lode Runner just being running around picking up boxes while bad guys chased you...

Well, yes, the boxes being gold. And like I said, you could melt the bricks next to you, either to access blocked areas or trap the bad guys.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 15, 2016, 23:46
Ant
 
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Dec 15, 2016, 23:46
 Ant
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 15, 2016, 23:32:
I remember Lode Runner just being running around picking up boxes while bad guys chased you...
Based on original 80s game, the bad guys were robots. Lode Runner was a human collecting gold. http://www.loderunnerclassic.com/ ...
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 15, 2016, 23:32
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Re: Op Ed Dec 15, 2016, 23:32
Dec 15, 2016, 23:32
 
I remember Lode Runner just being running around picking up boxes while bad guys chased you...
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 15, 2016, 20:00
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Dec 15, 2016, 20:00
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 12, 2016, 16:03:
Jumpman waz c64 Lode Runner.

Jumpman and Lode Runner were different games. In Jumpman you run and jump around to collect the circley things, with a variety of different opponents and obstacles. Lode Runner had you running around and melting bricks to get gold bars while being chased by bad guys.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 12, 2016, 16:29
Ant
 
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Dec 12, 2016, 16:29
 Ant
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 12, 2016, 16:03:
Ant wrote on Dec 11, 2016, 21:58:
jdreyer wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 20:37:
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 12:52:
Nope, I meant computer games. Specifically games available on the University of Illinois computer system PLATO. The precursor to most everything you see on the Internet today -- forums, person to person chat, multi-person interactive games. Basically we were doing that starting in the late 70s and laughed our collective asses off at the "creation" of these things on the Internet.

There were lots of time consuming games in the 80s to play:
- The Ultima series (spent SO much time in Ultima IV)
- Lode Runner/Jumpman
- Telengard
- Pinball Construction Set
- Archon
- Dungeon Master
- Prince of Persia
- Battletech: Crescent Hawk Inception
- Simcity
- Tetris
- Elite
- Germany 1985
- Kampfgruppe

And those are just the ones I played on my IBM PC and C-64 that I remember.
Lots of of good games, but on my Apple //c. Jumpman was Lode Runner?
Jumpman waz c64 Lode Runner.
Interesting. I remember a LR port for C64. It used red colors instead of blue like in Apple 2 port. It looks like Jumpman was from Epyx while LR was from B0rderbund.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 12, 2016, 16:03
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Re: Op Ed Dec 12, 2016, 16:03
Dec 12, 2016, 16:03
 
Ant wrote on Dec 11, 2016, 21:58:
jdreyer wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 20:37:
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 12:52:
Nope, I meant computer games. Specifically games available on the University of Illinois computer system PLATO. The precursor to most everything you see on the Internet today -- forums, person to person chat, multi-person interactive games. Basically we were doing that starting in the late 70s and laughed our collective asses off at the "creation" of these things on the Internet.

There were lots of time consuming games in the 80s to play:
- The Ultima series (spent SO much time in Ultima IV)
- Lode Runner/Jumpman
- Telengard
- Pinball Construction Set
- Archon
- Dungeon Master
- Prince of Persia
- Battletech: Crescent Hawk Inception
- Simcity
- Tetris
- Elite
- Germany 1985
- Kampfgruppe

And those are just the ones I played on my IBM PC and C-64 that I remember.
Lots of of good games, but on my Apple //c. Jumpman was Lode Runner?
Jumpman waz c64 Lode Runner.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 11, 2016, 21:58
Ant
 
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Re: Op Ed Dec 11, 2016, 21:58
Dec 11, 2016, 21:58
 Ant
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 20:37:
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 12:52:
Nope, I meant computer games. Specifically games available on the University of Illinois computer system PLATO. The precursor to most everything you see on the Internet today -- forums, person to person chat, multi-person interactive games. Basically we were doing that starting in the late 70s and laughed our collective asses off at the "creation" of these things on the Internet.

There were lots of time consuming games in the 80s to play:
- The Ultima series (spent SO much time in Ultima IV)
- Lode Runner/Jumpman
- Telengard
- Pinball Construction Set
- Archon
- Dungeon Master
- Prince of Persia
- Battletech: Crescent Hawk Inception
- Simcity
- Tetris
- Elite
- Germany 1985
- Kampfgruppe

And those are just the ones I played on my IBM PC and C-64 that I remember.
Lots of of good games, but on my Apple //c. Jumpman was Lode Runner?
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 10, 2016, 20:37
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Re: Op Ed Dec 10, 2016, 20:37
Dec 10, 2016, 20:37
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 12:52:
Nope, I meant computer games. Specifically games available on the University of Illinois computer system PLATO. The precursor to most everything you see on the Internet today -- forums, person to person chat, multi-person interactive games. Basically we were doing that starting in the late 70s and laughed our collective asses off at the "creation" of these things on the Internet.

There were lots of time consuming games in the 80s to play:
- The Ultima series (spent SO much time in Ultima IV)
- Lode Runner/Jumpman
- Telengard
- Pinball Construction Set
- Archon
- Dungeon Master
- Prince of Persia
- Battletech: Crescent Hawk Inception
- Simcity
- Tetris
- Elite
- Germany 1985
- Kampfgruppe

And those are just the ones I played on my IBM PC and C-64 that I remember.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 10, 2016, 12:52
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Re: Op Ed Dec 10, 2016, 12:52
Dec 10, 2016, 12:52
 
Nope, I meant computer games. Specifically games available on the University of Illinois computer system PLATO. The precursor to most everything you see on the Internet today -- forums, person to person chat, multi-person interactive games. Basically we were doing that starting in the late 70s and laughed our collective asses off at the "creation" of these things on the Internet.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Dec 10, 2016, 03:44
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Re: Op Ed Dec 10, 2016, 03:44
Dec 10, 2016, 03:44
 
Fantaz wrote on Dec 10, 2016, 01:06:
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 22:03:
This is nothing new. I know people who ruined their college education (a.k.a. -- failed out) over computer games in the 1980s. And I'm sure people were getting addicted to one thing or another and dropping out long before then.

Yes, it happens. Is it a major problem? Pretty sure it isn't.

just curious, what games were they so addicted to back in the 80s that caused that to happen?

I think there is a confusion when he said video games, I think he meant drugs and alcohol......
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 10, 2016, 01:06
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Re: Op Ed Dec 10, 2016, 01:06
Dec 10, 2016, 01:06
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 22:03:
This is nothing new. I know people who ruined their college education (a.k.a. -- failed out) over computer games in the 1980s. And I'm sure people were getting addicted to one thing or another and dropping out long before then.

Yes, it happens. Is it a major problem? Pretty sure it isn't.

just curious, what games were they so addicted to back in the 80s that caused that to happen?
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 22:03
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Re: Op Ed Dec 9, 2016, 22:03
Dec 9, 2016, 22:03
 
This is nothing new. I know people who ruined their college education (a.k.a. -- failed out) over computer games in the 1980s. And I'm sure people were getting addicted to one thing or another and dropping out long before then.

Yes, it happens. Is it a major problem? Pretty sure it isn't.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 21:28
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Re: Op Ed Dec 9, 2016, 21:28
Dec 9, 2016, 21:28
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 16:22:
Everyone seems to be avoiding the elephant in the room. Truth of the matter is simply this: A lot of young males today are under-achievers. They simply don't feel that they will ever ammount to anything in todays social climate so they don't even try. A lot of them turn to escapism, and video games are the obivious choice.

Now THAT would have been in interesting article.

This article is about one individual whose genetic personality matrix predisposes him to addictive anti-social behaviors.
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Dec 9, 2016, 21:24
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Dec 9, 2016, 21:24
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:55:
oh the irony.

Huh, I heard that irony had died with the election of Donald Trump.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 21:23
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Dec 9, 2016, 21:23
 
Rigs wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 20:20:
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:55:
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:34:
Stop feeding the trolls!

oh the irony.

Verno wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 15:21:
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:34:
Stop feeding the trolls!

I bet half of your forum posts are advising people to avoid...you. Stop wasting time and space in topics with this repetitive bullshit.

Soon, everyone will be on his ignore list and the only posts he'll see are his own...and, to him, nothing will have changed whatsoever! Hell, I wouldn't put it past him to ignore himself, the fuckin' egomaniac...


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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 21:20
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Re: Op Ed Dec 9, 2016, 21:20
Dec 9, 2016, 21:20
 
Jivaro wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 11:21:
The psychology behind some of the most successful games and even whole genres is fascinating, even if it makes you a little uncomfortable or even upset to think that your "want" to keep playing is actually something that is predictably and intentionally generated.

Yeah, Blizzard may not have had a psychologist on staff, but they certainly knew how to make addictive mechanics 20 years ago. Always looking at the loot dropped by monsters in Diablo to get better and better equipment was (back in the day) an incredible motivator to keep playing.

King's Sword of Haste and Godly Plate of the Whale FTW.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 20:41
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Dec 9, 2016, 20:41
 
Beamer wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 10:51:
I mean, if you read the article (we all know one person who doesn't), it doesn't make it out to be an epidemic. It's talking about how something impacts a very small subset of people, and it's an interesting story.

It's by no means making the claim this is widespread.

What? It's right in the goddamn subtitle!

Video games are more addictive than ever. This is what happens when kids can’t turn them off.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 20:38
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Dec 9, 2016, 20:38
 
Beamer wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 10:19:
I'll never understand people who call articles like this "one-sided." I was reading an article about concussions in the NFL the other day - should it also focus on the "other side?" "Well, actually Bob, not every player gets concussions!" What's the "other side" here? "I play video games and never feel they're too addictive." Great, that's what 99% of readers of the article will think, so it's meaningless and does nothing to advance the article.

Regardless, I do think we have a generation of teens and people in their early 20s who have given up on regular life and turned to video games. Is it many? Of course not. But it's some. We laughed at articles pointing out Japanese males who give up on dating and just play games, yet when there's an article about it happening in the US, suddenly it's "one-sided" and it's going to be a "catalyst."

There are many reasons why you have a group of people seemingly dropping out of life and spending all their time playing video games. I do not think video games are the cause: the focus of this article had extreme ADHD. But I do think video games make it an easier choice, and then an easier route.

Beamer, please.

I am one who thinks that too much time spent video games can be harmful to a person, especially a developing mind. I've also been one who has pulled all-nighters playing Civ, X-Com, etc. and regretted it. And as a father with an elementary and teenage child, I'm absolutely the target audience here. However, this article is sensationalistic melodramatic crap.

1. It's an edge case. The story if first and foremost about a child with an obvious predilection toward addictive behavior. It is absolutely a worst case scenario, and not indicative of a typical child involved in too much gaming.

2. The author is lazy. Scant statistics are provided in the article. Instead it's peppered with "scary" anecdotes about shattered glass and this totally fictional gem:

The boy blinked, looking up at the ceiling, then down at the floor.

“Do you know where you are?” the psychotherapist asked him.

The boy was quiet for a moment. Then he asked: “Are we still in the game?”

Even the screenwriter for an After School Special would be embarrassed to write that.

3. These parents are idiots. There are so many ways to block and control access to games, Netflix, youtube, crunchyroll and other distractions and addictions. It's a goddamn billion dollar industry. You'd think their son had cancer with they way they act and throw money around. Fuck, if they'd paid me $50K, I'd have flown out there, bought all the software, set everything up, trained them on it, and been home in a week.

It's like writing an article about a boy who had his pancreas lacerated playing ice hockey crippling him for life, then writing an article about him with the subtext about how ice hockey is killing our kids.
It's ridiculous.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 9, 2016, 20:20
Rigs
 
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Re: Op Ed Dec 9, 2016, 20:20
Dec 9, 2016, 20:20
 Rigs
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:55:
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:34:
Stop feeding the trolls!

oh the irony.

Verno wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 15:21:
Cutter wrote on Dec 9, 2016, 14:34:
Stop feeding the trolls!

I bet half of your forum posts are advising people to avoid...you. Stop wasting time and space in topics with this repetitive bullshit.

Soon, everyone will be on his ignore list and the only posts he'll see are his own...and, to him, nothing will have changed whatsoever! Hell, I wouldn't put it past him to ignore himself, the fuckin' egomaniac...


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