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Op Ed

Cliffski's Blog - Free-Fake News, Games Journalism & the future of online.
"That used to be you. It used to be me. We used to pay through ads, and that got annoying and now we just block them and don’t think about it. These days we pay in other ways, maybe through surrendering our personal information to Facebook (who doubtless then sell it), or maybe we pay with our votes. Yup, we pay with our opinions and our freedom of thought. We stopped paying journalists years ago, and never gave a damn about them, which means that we can now hire journalists for dirt cheap. You got a marketing budget of $50k? that will write a LOT of articles, believe me. You have a marketing budget for your oil company of $1billion? How much for the US election campaign?

Journalism is cheap, and we made it so."

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25. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 14:23 panbient
 
shiho wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 07:42:
It certainly does not represent me as a conservative, or any other conservative I know.


See... this is the problem right here.

You're looking at the analysis of a group and expecting it to reflect you (or one of your accepted peers) as an individual.
 
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24. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 12:53 NKD
 
Quboid wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 10:04:
Just a reminder, this is the guy who brought us this.

Jesus christ.

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23. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 12:06 nin
 
Quboid wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 10:04:
Just a reminder, this is the guy who brought us this.

Yup!

 
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22. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 10:20 RedEye9
 
Quboid wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 10:04:
Just a reminder, this is the guy who brought us this.
Crazy like a shit-house rat crazy, i see.
 
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21. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 10:04 Quboid
 
Just a reminder, this is the guy who brought us this.  
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20. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 07:42 shiho
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 06:18:
The only one using labels here is you, hence the irony. You posted a link to an article that links to other behavioural research articles to reinforce a belief, sorry your belief, but it does no such thing. It doesn't label people, it doesn't judge, it simply states that older people tend to be more conservative. I don't see anyone being labeled a biggot, or a Nazi or whatever. It doesn't stop you from judging it did. Thats fine, most people judge according to what they believe. You feel threatened, and you resort to hyperbole. But that's also fine.

Oh I read it, and I read it thoroughly. DID YOU? The fact that you're absolutely and totally blind to the bigotry in the article is what's frightening. It is so imprinted in you that you don't even register it as a red flag.

First of all, the article paints a strawman target of what "conservatism" is. It certainly does not represent me as a conservative, or any other conservative I know.

It associates this faux notion of conservatism with broadly painted personal traits, such as being "slower", "more rigid", "less open to new experiences".

Then, it proceeds to use studies which support the fact that people are "slower", "more rigid" and "less open to experiences" with age (DUH), therefore it draws conclusions that they are more "conservative" in the strawman definition of the term.

What is insinuated in this article is that conservatism is product of old age and the associated -mental decline-, and liberalism is a trait of the young people who are open to new experiences, creative and enterpreneural (his words, not mine), and prone to anti-conformist attitudes.

Oh wait, Trump the political outsider, the wildcard, the non-PC, insult-throwing rabble-rouser, the definition of a disruptive rebellious candidate, got 20000 people on his rallies, and destroyed the other candidates. Talk about anti-conformist.

If this article was any indication, we "conservatives" (sigh), would've overwhelmingly propped up Jeb Bush. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

And what of young enterpreneural, creative conservatives who LIKE scuba diving and other adrenal experiences? How does that fit this horrendous series of cliches?

What about the distinction between cultural conservatives and fiscal conservatives? Why does this article pretend to be scientific when it paints a caricature of both parties?

The truth is, the article is mirroring the propaganda that was done to us Pioneers in the Soviet Union. We the young ones are the future, and the shit we're brainwashed with, is the ideology of the future. The "old guard" are untermensch.

Open your eyes, people. If you see nothing wrong with this article, then you're simply on the same wavelength of bigotry as its author.

Former KGB agent Bezmenov described what my former country has done to your country since the 1960s. Unfortunately we now see the fruits of this process. A whole self-supporting ecosystem of lies and destructive beliefs. You should heed the advice from those of us who lived in totalitarian regimes, because you are not immune to this shit at all, and it has you now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

It pains me to see how much the demoralization is thriving in America, outliving the USSR itself.

As Bezmenov said, once the generation has been demoralized, they will ignore any facts presented to them. None of you will even finish watching that 5-minute video, because your programming will resist it violently. Oh, the cynicism boiling up inside you within the first 15 seconds of looking at that "clueless old fart", the sharp comebacks.

There will be more tragically misplaced ridicule in this thread. If it was an exchange between me and one other person, I would've bothered, but that's not what happens on these forums. So I'm leaving this discussion behind once again.

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19. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 06:58 Beamer
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 03:14:
Beamer wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 23:18:

I saw an enormous amount of fake news on Facebook this season. It was overwhelmingly liked from the very small amount of Trump supporters, but there was definitely fake news liked by Hillary supporters, too. There was a direct correlation with age and education level (though, the older you are, the less needed degrees were, so...)

Again with "both sides do it."

Here's a guy who actually writes fake news for a living:

During the run-up to the presidential election, fake news really took off. "It was just anybody with a blog can get on there and find a big, huge Facebook group of kind of rabid Trump supporters just waiting to eat up this red meat that they're about to get served," Coler says. "It caused an explosion in the number of sites. I mean, my gosh, the number of just fake accounts on Facebook exploded during the Trump election."

Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.

Trust me, dude, I've read the same things you have. At the same time, last week my dad's cousin was posting about how Ivanka Trump said she'd mace her father if he wasn't her father. This wasn't real, it was a Conan O'Brien bit from a decade ago, but it still managed to make the rounds with certain liberals as being an actual thing she'd said.

That same cousin frequently posted other things that were absolutely fake. So yes, both sides do it. One side significantly/overwhelmingly more, but both sides do it.
 
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18. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 06:45 RedEye9
 
shiho wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 05:43:

You know, like that "Conservatives are inherently gullible" article, or bigoted shit like this:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative

(^^^ apparently we are not enterpreneural, not creative, don't take risks, and love totalitarianism)

When linking an article you might want to read it first. Pro Tip; The title is not the article.
However your post did verify the article, so at least you got that going for ya.
 
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17. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 06:18 VaranDragon
 
The only one using labels here is you, hence the irony. You posted a link to an article that links to other behavioural research articles to reinforce a belief, sorry your belief, but it does no such thing. It doesn't label people, it doesn't judge, it simply states that older people tend to be more conservative. I don't see anyone being labeled a biggot, or a Nazi or whatever. It doesn't stop you from judging it did. Thats fine, most people judge according to what they believe. You feel threatened, and you resort to hyperbole. But that's also fine.

You did write something that is true though, totalitarian governments DO manipulate people in the way you described. You think you are immune? You described an experience in your life that changed you, made you better somehow, but in fact it has simply reinforced your own beliefs. Ones to which you cling to so hard that you distort reality to fit them.
 
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16. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 05:43 shiho
 
VaranDragon wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 04:49:
shiho wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 04:35:
Down with them conservative stupid fascist misogynist racist xenophobic rednecks! Yeah! Let's demonize the opposition, paint them with bold, uniform colors as subhuman pigs!


Oh, the irony is strong with this one.

No, it is not. I specifically iterated in the post that I don't think people who fall for this propaganda (aka Democrats currently) are inherently stupid.

I can separate the people and their mental capacity, from their conditioning.

I could say "Democrats are dumb", as an insult/joke maybe, but I would not post in serious fashion these articles about the so-called "opposition", insinuating that they are inherently mentally inferior.

You know, like that "Conservatives are inherently gullible" article, or bigoted shit like this:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201410/why-are-older-people-more-conservative

(^^^ apparently we are not enterpreneural, not creative, don't take risks, and love totalitarianism)

If these sentiments of mine strike you as silly, you need to research on how totalitarian governments manipulate people. Bigotry is how it starts. You're the ubermensch, they're the untermensch. Once a group of people is declared subhuman, it's easier to discard them.

Like I said, beware of ANY ideology which CONDITIONS you to, in your heart of hearts, even remotely start entertaining the idea of labeling millions of people as feebleminded. Not merely misinformed - but inherently mentally inferior to yourself.
 
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15. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 04:49 VaranDragon
 
shiho wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 04:35:
Down with them conservative stupid fascist misogynist racist xenophobic rednecks! Yeah! Let's demonize the opposition, paint them with bold, uniform colors as subhuman pigs!


Oh, the irony is strong with this one.
 
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14. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 04:40 RedEye9
 
NKD wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 03:21:
jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 02:59:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 22:56:
Task wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 19:56:
wtf
thank you for the ignore button blue.

Seriously? Task is one of the more reasonable ones around here.

Isn't Task a literal tinfoil hat wearer, or am I confused? I'm pretty sure I've seen him post some real crazy shit. I certainly can't make heads nor tails of his post here except that maybe he doesn't believe fake news is a thing and it's just a way to discredit, er, "novel" news sources?
Yes, i"m serious about thanking blue for the ignore button, the mini nonsensical tirade notwithstanding.
 
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13. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 04:35 shiho
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 03:14:
Again with "both sides do it."

Here's a guy who actually writes fake news for a living:

During the run-up to the presidential election, fake news really took off. "It was just anybody with a blog can get on there and find a big, huge Facebook group of kind of rabid Trump supporters just waiting to eat up this red meat that they're about to get served," Coler says. "It caused an explosion in the number of sites. I mean, my gosh, the number of just fake accounts on Facebook exploded during the Trump election."

Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.

The definition of irony is a fake news article talking about fake news articles. That Coler guy is a Democrat, which automatically gives his "fair and balanced comparisons" zero credibility. You want to have real science? Real science requires large sample sizes and a completely impartial source.

Frankly, one of the reasons why I am scared of modern "Democrats", is this particular elitist undercurrent. They're very keen on spreading THIS kind of "fake news" - Facebook articles on how much more mentally superior they all are. Bigoted articles on how conservatism is for old people, "Buzzfeed research" on how more Conservatives click on "fake news"... 'cuz they're inherently dumb, see?

To that I have to say - if 20th century taught us anything - BEWARE of an ideology which conditions you to label millions of people as "feebleminded".

There's been at least two in the 20th century, and I've had the "privilege" of being raised in one of them. We were the Soviet "Pioneers" - the new, progressive generation, wiser, more humane and vigilant than "those old guard".

The Germans in 1930s weren't stupid. The Soviets weren't stupid. The Chinese and the Cubans weren't stupid. They all fell for this shit.

It's just that people never change. They don't get "better" - but they do get easily programmed by being hit right into their vanity, something that lets them confirm their inherent superiority. And they just don't see it coming, because the ideology wears a slightly different face than earlier in history.

Down with them conservative stupid fascist misogynist racist xenophobic rednecks! Yeah! Let's demonize the opposition, paint them with bold, uniform colors as subhuman pigs!

Seeing this kind of REAL, dangerous bigotry on my FB feed is what alarms me greatly. Modern Democrats who tow this line, need a long hard moment of introspection.

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12. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 03:37 VaranDragon
 
It goes so much further than politics. Most people are convinced that they personally are privy to the secrets of their existence and the universe. They will literaly seek out others who share and confirm their beliefs anywhere they can, the internet is the perfect place to do that, logic, reason and even facts be damned!  
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11. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 03:21 NKD
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2016, 02:59:
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 22:56:
Task wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 19:56:
wtf
thank you for the ignore button blue.

Seriously? Task is one of the more reasonable ones around here.

Isn't Task a literal tinfoil hat wearer, or am I confused? I'm pretty sure I've seen him post some real crazy shit. I certainly can't make heads nor tails of his post here except that maybe he doesn't believe fake news is a thing and it's just a way to discredit, er, "novel" news sources?

This comment was edited on Dec 1, 2016, 03:32.
 
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10. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 03:14 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 23:18:

I saw an enormous amount of fake news on Facebook this season. It was overwhelmingly liked from the very small amount of Trump supporters, but there was definitely fake news liked by Hillary supporters, too. There was a direct correlation with age and education level (though, the older you are, the less needed degrees were, so...)

Again with "both sides do it."

Here's a guy who actually writes fake news for a living:

During the run-up to the presidential election, fake news really took off. "It was just anybody with a blog can get on there and find a big, huge Facebook group of kind of rabid Trump supporters just waiting to eat up this red meat that they're about to get served," Coler says. "It caused an explosion in the number of sites. I mean, my gosh, the number of just fake accounts on Facebook exploded during the Trump election."

Coler says his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.
 
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9. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 03:05 jdreyer
 
Dev wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 23:44:
I don't block ads, but I should. They slow down my computer and can actually be dangerous.

If sites weren't lazy about the ads, they could host them themselves and vet them themselves. For instance, see Krebs for a site that does ads right.

I actually had to install UBlock origin and implement a bunch of hosts entries into my laptop. Ads on pages would peg the proc, and eat up memory until you couldn't move the mouse and had to reboot. And despite Blues dedication to keeping ads simple, even his site was affected from time to time (especially last year when there were video ads).

Luckily, I don't use that laptop much, and my desktop can handle them. But sorry advertisers, if your ads are threatening to fry my proc and make my PC unusable, your ads gotta go.
 
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8. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 02:59 jdreyer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 22:56:
Task wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 19:56:
wtf
thank you for the ignore button blue.

Seriously? Task is one of the more reasonable ones around here.
 
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7. Re: Op Ed Dec 1, 2016, 00:19 shiho
 
yonder wrote on Nov 30, 2016, 21:39:
Except for the 70 billion or so spent on television commercials, your comment is completely true and not pompous at all!

Traditional TV is going extinct. That's why there is now a shitton of product placement inside the TV shows, as well as giant half-the-screen animated banners obscuring the screen after commercial breaks.

Because commercials are cut out by Internet pirates, but placement and banners cannot be, so even when pirated, the shows still reach some kind of ad audience.
 
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6. Re: Op Ed Nov 30, 2016, 23:44 Dev
 
I don't block ads, but I should. They slow down my computer and can actually be dangerous.

If sites weren't lazy about the ads, they could host them themselves and vet them themselves. For instance, see Krebs for a site that does ads right.
 
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