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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 24, 2016, 10:05
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El Pit wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:48:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:08:
But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.

They would question him, thank him, and kick his ass on a plane to Washington.

Yeah no. The man has done more to expose the corruption of the intelligence agencies and secret court of the United States than anyone in History.

There's a whole heap of 'correction' needing to be done within the political, legal and intelligence communities in the US before it is safe to return.

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Nov 24, 2016, 06:15
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Nov 24, 2016, 06:15
 
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 14:35:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 13:52:
El Pit wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:48:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:08:
But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.

They would question him, thank him, and kick his ass on a plane to Washington.

Thank him ^^ ? Our current foreign minister (SPD) had an innocent men kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured (and he was aware of this innocence) in Guantanamo by the US for years, and then fought every legal battle possible to deny him recurse payment once he finally got back here. The SPD is not for nothing called the "party of betrayers" in certain circles, there isn't a principle yet imagined that the SPD wouldn't happily raise on a pedestal during election week and then trample wholesale afterwards.

And our minister for interior (CDU) is closer to the espionage systems than to German law....

I can't put into words my disdain for my own government to be honest when it comes to these and other matters...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz and he is just one of many. But you have to admit, his name is kind of suspicious /s

Yeah, and imagine how thrilled the more "darker" part of Germany is about his nomination for president, a true shining moral beacon of justice /s (who was also responsible for Hartz-IV along with Schröder (SPD))

Anyway, it is really sad that Snowden has to be warned to come to Germany, I considered my nation progressive and liberal, but it really isn't. Our gov governs above the people for interests not in line with national interests. And people still vote for them... sigh.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 24, 2016, 03:46
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Flatline wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:49:
Cutter wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:00:
What makes you think Putin won't do it now that his pal Don is in charge? I'm sure if he asks nicely the Rooskies will do just that. If I was Snow I'd be looking to head to Argentina or something PDQ!

Do you think Snowden is in Russia by choice? He was on his way... Somewhere I can't remember where specifically. But his passport was yanked by the US while he was in transition in Moscow. Russia granted him asylum but he can't really leave the country without a passport.

I'm not actually sure how Germany intends to get him to actually show up when he legally can't leave the country.

He was on his way to Ecuador via Cuba. Are you telling me that the Russians couldn't have gotten him to Cuba? I'm sure they realized the value of keeping a nice pawn like Snowden in Russia. And the longer he stays there, the more valuable he becomes.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 24, 2016, 03:21
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RedEye9 wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:33:
Anyone can be asked to do anything, now whether they do it or not is a different matter.

The issue was that there is a committee that is supposed to figure out to what extent the NSA spied on German citizens or something like that. Now this committee is made up of the minority, as far as I know of people from the Green and the Left parties.
They wanted to get Snowden so they could interview him, since he is the one who knows the most and would be willing to share this information. However the federal government of Germany refused to invite him since they don't really give a damn about German citizens and didn't want to upset the USA since, once Snowden would arrive in Germany, they would need to think about granting him asylum.
The Green and the Left party sued and Germany's federal court of justice agreed with them and basically told the German government that they HAVE to assist this committee, there is no way around that.

That is why Snowden can be asked now but couldn't before. Our spineless, cowardly politicians in the government just refused to.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 18:04
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Nov 23, 2016, 18:04
 
Flatline wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:49:
Cutter wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:00:
What makes you think Putin won't do it now that his pal Don is in charge? I'm sure if he asks nicely the Rooskies will do just that. If I was Snow I'd be looking to head to Argentina or something PDQ!

Do you think Snowden is in Russia by choice? He was on his way... Somewhere I can't remember where specifically. But his passport was yanked by the US while he was in transition in Moscow. Russia granted him asylum but he can't really leave the country without a passport.

I'm not actually sure how Germany intends to get him to actually show up when he legally can't leave the country.

He was on his way to Ecuador when indeed he got stuck in Russia, and the right wingers had a field day saying he selling intel to the Ruskies, but now that Trump loves Russia and Putin, now all of a sudden the republicans love russia... go figure?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 14:35
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Nov 23, 2016, 14:35
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 13:52:
El Pit wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:48:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:08:
But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.

They would question him, thank him, and kick his ass on a plane to Washington.

Thank him ^^ ? Our current foreign minister (SPD) had an innocent men kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured (and he was aware of this innocence) in Guantanamo by the US for years, and then fought every legal battle possible to deny him recurse payment once he finally got back here. The SPD is not for nothing called the "party of betrayers" in certain circles, there isn't a principle yet imagined that the SPD wouldn't happily raise on a pedestal during election week and then trample wholesale afterwards.

And our minister for interior (CDU) is closer to the espionage systems than to German law....

I can't put into words my disdain for my own government to be honest when it comes to these and other matters...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz and he is just one of many. But you have to admit, his name is kind of suspicious /s
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 13:52
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Nov 23, 2016, 13:52
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:48:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:08:
But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.

They would question him, thank him, and kick his ass on a plane to Washington.

Thank him ^^ ? Our current foreign minister (SPD) had an innocent men kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured (and he was aware of this innocence) in Guantanamo by the US for years, and then fought every legal battle possible to deny him recurse payment once he finally got back here. The SPD is not for nothing called the "party of betrayers" in certain circles, there isn't a principle yet imagined that the SPD wouldn't happily raise on a pedestal during election week and then trample wholesale afterwards.

And our minister for interior (CDU) is closer to the espionage systems than to German law....

I can't put into words my disdain for my own government to be honest when it comes to these and other matters...

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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 13:06
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If only Snowden got a sex change then all the media would love him.
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Nov 23, 2016, 13:04
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My crystal ball says, "It's a trap."
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 12:49
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Nov 23, 2016, 12:49
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 12:00:
What makes you think Putin won't do it now that his pal Don is in charge? I'm sure if he asks nicely the Rooskies will do just that. If I was Snow I'd be looking to head to Argentina or something PDQ!

Do you think Snowden is in Russia by choice? He was on his way... Somewhere I can't remember where specifically. But his passport was yanked by the US while he was in transition in Moscow. Russia granted him asylum but he can't really leave the country without a passport.

I'm not actually sure how Germany intends to get him to actually show up when he legally can't leave the country.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 12:00
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Nov 23, 2016, 12:00
 Cutter
 
What makes you think Putin won't do it now that his pal Don is in charge? I'm sure if he asks nicely the Rooskies will do just that. If I was Snow I'd be looking to head to Argentina or something PDQ!
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 11:48
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Nov 23, 2016, 11:48
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eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 23, 2016, 11:08:
But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.

They would question him, thank him, and kick his ass on a plane to Washington.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Nov 23, 2016, 11:33
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Nov 23, 2016, 11:33
 

Anyone can be asked to do anything, now whether they do it or not is a different matter.
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But if he is smart, he will not step into Germany as long as the current gov parties (CSU/CDU+SPD) are in power or anywhere near it.
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