jdreyer wrote on Nov 10, 2016, 02:42:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 10, 2016, 02:10:
Ozmodan wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 17:32:
The funny thing, either Bernie or Joe Biden would have wiped the floor with Trump. It was the democrats fault for putting up a very weak candidate. Personally I thought her position on many of the important policies were worse than Trumps. So maybe the country dodged a bullet.
Yeah, the Dems put up a weak candidate. Can't argue that, but the Republicans put up a guy that wraps himself in the flag and says all the patriotic catchphrases that you can think of, and then attacks a gold star family for exercising their right to free speech after their son gave his life fighting for his country. Yet he is still elected president!!
Doesn't even matter that he's a draft-dodging coward who demeans the sacrifices of our vets by comparing their service to dodging STDs while banging models.
What a fucking great country we live in!! Great choice people!!
On the one hand, I agree. It's inconceivable that Trump got elected. On the other hand, Dems were offering More of the Same, and people both on the left (Bernie) and the right (Trump) had had enough. Even the Dems weren't excited; turnout was down 10% vs. Obama in 2012. If they'd turned out the same for Hill, she'd be prez-elect.
Working class whites have for decades been feeling left out of the party: the oligarchy doesn't include them. Wages have stagnated for 40 years, jobs have disappeared. Billionaire Trump told them what they wanted to hear, he sold them. We'll see if he follows through. I have my doubts, as he's well established in the oligarchy.
Still, Clinton failed to appeal to 40% of the electorate, and it bit her in the ass.
That's kind of the point though. People buy into Trump's transparent bullshit. He's obviously just making a ton of empty promises mixed in with a lot of terrible policy choices, like building that ridiculous wall, or a 45% tariff on imports. I've read through several of his proposals from his site. It's meaningless drivel with no detail at all.
That they are willing to overlook that he's an utterly vile human being, as I explained in my previous post, just because he's making crazy promises, and for many because he hates the same people they hate, makes Trump voters look like a combination of fools and vile human beings themselves.
At least more of the same with a Congress that would actually work with the president could get us some improvement. We've seen a lot of improvement from the cliff the Republicans sent us over last time. Obama wasn't allowed to implement his jobs and infrastructure plans, or implement fixes to the ACA, because the Republicans wanted to block everything and blame it on him.
Now Trump voters will probably end up worse off, but I guess as long as Trump tells them that everything is awesome, they'll probably believe him.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell (I think...)