jdreyer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:20:

Rigs wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:06:
Aside from that, let me say I thought it was extremely rude and immature for Hillary to leave all her supporters standing around all night and not say a word until this morning. At least she could have said something. I have two friends that were there and waited until almost 3am before leaving. Totally not cool. Really shows what mattered to her most...

Yeah, while that was not cool, it's somewhat understandable. She's an old lady, she's been 24-7 on the campaign trail for 1.5 years. She was exhausted, and after polls showed her with a healthy lead watching her firewall crumble one by one as the night progressed must have been extremely traumatic. Rumor is that she was in shock.

From what I was told, they kept telling the people gathered there that someone would be coming out 'shortly' to say a few words. At almost the same time, they were telling the press that they wouldn't be saying anything for the rest of the night. If Hillary wasn't able to do it, someone from the campaign could have at least got up there and told them something. (Hell, give Bill his sax and push him out there!) That's like having a big wedding, inviting everyone you know and then eloping. Very inconsiderate, especially to people that had volunteered a ton of their own time to the campaign.

=-Rigs-=

Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:35:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:15:
Here's a good article summing up where Hill supporters went wrong. Lots of good points, but here's the key takeaway:

“An insider when the country was screaming for an outsider. A technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine.”

It's a good write up but you should link the Thomas Frank original and not the aggregator who frankly adds nothing to it Frank nails most of it though for sure. Liberals have no one to blame but themselves.

Fair enough, but this is Blues where we always give shout outs to the aggregators!

Michael Moore also predicted a Trump victory months ago, based on the Dems ignoring the white working class. It was spot on.

Retired wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:20:
oh, and woke up this AM to another great thing. Voted into law off of the ballot (this was not advertised at all! DUH MEDIA!) Lawmakers in MN can NO LONGER GIVE THEMSELVES RAISES!

That is awesome! That needs to go into effect everywhere.

The other thing that surprised me greatly this election was how many states voted to increase the minimum wage and legalize pot. So that'll be what? A dozen or so states that weed is now legal in? Far out, never thought I'd see the day that happened. As for Canada they're doing the same thing they always do, talking, foot dragging, and not actually getting anything done. Just fucking legalize it already. It doesn't need to spend 10 years and umpteen million dollars in government committees and consultations. People in the US think obstructionism is bad there. You'd be amazed anything ever gets done in this country by comparison.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:15:
Here's a good article summing up where Hill supporters went wrong. Lots of good points, but here's the key takeaway:

“An insider when the country was screaming for an outsider. A technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine.”

It's a good write up but you should link the Thomas Frank original and not the aggregator who frankly adds nothing to it Frank nails most of it though for sure. Liberals have no one to blame but themselves.

"Jeremy Clarkson: Out of 300 million and that's the best 2 candidates you can come up with."

oh, and woke up this AM to another great thing. Voted into law off of the ballot (this was not advertised at all! DUH MEDIA!) Lawmakers in MN can NO LONGER GIVE THEMSELVES RAISES!

Rigs wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 16:06:
Aside from that, let me say I thought it was extremely rude and immature for Hillary to leave all her supporters standing around all night and not say a word until this morning. At least she could have said something. I have two friends that were there and waited until almost 3am before leaving. Totally not cool. Really shows what mattered to her most...


=-Rigs-=

Yeah, while that was not cool, it's somewhat understandable. She's an old lady, she's been 24-7 on the campaign trail for 1.5 years. She was exhausted, and after polls showed her with a healthy lead watching her firewall crumble one by one as the night progressed must have been extremely traumatic. Rumor is that she was in shock.

Kxmode wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 15:24:

BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:35:

Kxmode wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:33:
So far I've made $94 on my mutual fund investments. So there's that. That's about as far as I go. Yay for neutrality!

If you're smart and you can, buy as much as you can afford when they drop. They will rebound, as always.

I don't buy individual stocks, but absolutely. Now, would be the best time to buy. Historically the average has always shown that strong companies, who get hit by some kind of external force (e.g. 2008 housing crisis, election results, and so on), typical out-perform themselves. Warren Buffett said, "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful". In other words, if people are selling, buy!

Logged in to a nice 3.5% gain today. Makes up for the 3% or so loss in the last 2 months leading up to this shitshow. Almost back to my high of 9% for a running 12 month period.

Anyone enjoy the pundits last night in just utter astonishment that they were so dead wrong that they were speechless? It was beyond hilarious. I only got 2 hours of sleep as I was enjoying them trying to think of something to say without puking all over themselves.

This was a HUGE middle finger to DC and the media.

Here's a good article summing up where Hill supporters went wrong. Lots of good points, but here's the key takeaway:

“An insider when the country was screaming for an outsider. A technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine.”

RAWR THE WORLD WILL END!

Oh geez, look at that, the market is doing just fine.

I bet this writer at HuffPo is feeling pretty good about this prediction way back in March.

I remember the DNC nudging people toward Trump during the primaries, figuring they could walk all over him. I'm not sure how they even came to that conclusion when most of the initial polling data had Clinton coming up very weak against Trump and Sanders as the much stronger candidate. Looks like Trump snagged all of those Sanders swing votes. Yowza!

I'm still a little numb. I didn't have a preference and after really taking a hard look at all the candidates, I couldn't agree on any of them. Honestly, I thought Jill Stein looked the best, in the 'could do the least amount of damage' kind of way. I keep seeing the headlines and it's just like being in the Twilight Zone. I'd imagine that Jon Stewart, John Oliver, Trevor Noah and Steven Colbert are pretty disappointed. Noah pushed hard for a Hilary vote, that was evident the last few weeks. He went from criticizing both of them to just criticizing Trump to advocating for Clinton. And you could see Colbert was really deflated last night toward the end of his 'special'. No more laughs, no more smiling and joking. I think they thought they didn't need to worry.

Funny thing was I jokingly told my mother that I was considering going to New Zealand and she said that she'd always wanted to go. I never knew that. So I might actually take a trip there after all.

I'm willing to have an open mind on Trump as long as he doesn't go full asshat and start pushing other countries around. I'm worried about his connections to Russia and I'm still very curious where he's getting the $15 BILLION for the wall? Aside from that, let me say I thought it was extremely rude and immature for Hillary to leave all her supporters standing around all night and not say a word until this morning. At least she could have said something. I have two friends that were there and waited until almost 3am before leaving. Totally not cool. Really shows what mattered to her most...


=-Rigs-=

Here in Missouri we just elected a Navy Seal as Governor. Should save on the security detail.

BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:35:

Kxmode wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:33:
So far I've made $94 on my mutual fund investments. So there's that. That's about as far as I go. Yay for neutrality!

If you're smart and you can, buy as much as you can afford when they drop. They will rebound, as always.

I don't buy individual stocks, but absolutely. Now, would be the best time to buy. Historically the average has always shown that strong companies, who get hit by some kind of external force (e.g. 2008 housing crisis, election results, and so on), typical out-perform themselves. Warren Buffett said, "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful". In other words, if people are selling, buy!

Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:48:
I think the racism stuff is a handwave, those people are a minority. With most people elections are about their bank account. Not everyone has benefited from international trade agreements, we've seen a huge shift in wealth distribution over the past 30 years. I'm not the slightest bit surprised that people rejected Clinton and her political dynasty. Trump just got elected president on the basis that he is not like the rest of Washington. Middle class Americans elected a "billionaire" with zero political experience that has plenty of his own baggage. It's incredible and speaks to just how deeply upset Americans are with the status quo.

As Bernie Sanders said last year: "I think the discontent of the American people is far, far greater than the pundits understand."

Yeah, the for the overt racism, what you say is true, that's a small group of people. But there is a lot of subconscious "racism" (for lack of a better word) out there. Trump's core constituency feels that things are changing beyond their control, that they're getting the short end of the economic stick, and that minorities have been getting all the attention while their 40% "minority" of white working class mostly rural voters have been getting none.

I came upon this article this morning, and it summarizes a lot of what I'm talking about:

Of course [some of this resentment] is about race, but it’s also very much about the actual lived conditions that people are experiencing. We do need to pay attention to both. As the work that you did on mortality rates shows, it’s not just about dollars. People are experiencing a decline in prosperity, and that’s real.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:39:

BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:32:
I hope he does one thing, that's sort of expected of his campaign, and that's fight crime. It's surging and spreading in waves and it's getting to the point where places that used to feel safe are full of gangs, graffiti, shootings, and thugs. I'm not asking for a totalitarian regime or some kind of police state, but I'm tired of losing the freedom to walk the streets. I actually thought if Hillary won she'd push for better law enforcement as well, as Bill did.

Freedom to be safe and walk the streets should be considered a 'right'.

National crime stats are at decades-low rates, three times lower than just 20 years ago. If there's a surge in your area, it's local, and you can probably bug your local rep to do something about it.

Prop 47 and early release ... that's affecting all of California.

La Times

SF Chronicle

Fact Check

Also, do I have to mention Boston, San Bernardino, Orlando, and others?

Carlin nailed it: Garbage in, Garbage Out.

Maybe we should stop looking at the politicians and getting angry at the pitiful choices, and instead look at who is responsible for putting these clowns into power...THE PEOPLE. The people are ignorant, uneducated, and largely stupid (enough to vote in a immoral con-artist). Until the US fixes the root cause, enjoy Donald Trump and much worse in the future. This is bound to get worse before it gets better from that perspective.

Hilary is a joke too, so don't get me wrong. It'd be just as bad if she had been elected. Moral of the story, you're fucked either way. At least if you stay home and choke the chicken you actually have something to show for it afterwards.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:28:
You're right, it's not all about racism. As I discussed yesterday, there are two main factors that influence most of the smaller ones: the shrinking of the white base and the associated loss of power, and the America-as-oligarchy issue. Trump, whether intentionally or subconsciously, played both issues masterfully: opposing refugees, opposing immigration, opposing the TPP, talking up tariffs on China, bragging about how he bought and paid for politicians, etc. etc. Non-college whites are 40% of the electorate, and he got nearly 100% of that vote because these issues resonate with them.

I think the racism stuff is a handwave, those people are a minority. With most people elections are about their bank account. Not everyone has benefited from international trade agreements, we've seen a huge shift in wealth distribution over the past 30 years. I'm not the slightest bit surprised that people rejected Clinton and her political dynasty. Trump just got elected president on the basis that he is not like the rest of Washington. Middle class Americans elected a "billionaire" with zero political experience that has plenty of his own baggage. It's incredible and speaks to just how deeply upset Americans are with the status quo.

As Bernie Sanders said last year: "I think the discontent of the American people is far, far greater than the pundits understand."

Why were the polls off? We'll see in a few days what happened there, but my suspicion is that people lied to the pollsters. The most reliable polls are interview polls, and admitting you're voting for Trump is embarrassing given his crudeness.

Hasn't been helped by the media. The media has been try to condescend and guilt people into their line of thought for awhile now and that might work while the camera is on but at the voting center people can do whatever they want without someone pressuring them.

I'm a dual US/Canadian living in BC. I'm stressing about my 8 year old son, when I dropped him off at school today all of the talk was around how horrible Trump and the US are. My son is the only American in his grade so I'm mentally preparing for the bullying to come. Hopefully I'm wrong.