Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 21:49:

DangerDog wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 21:20:
Move to Colorado, they just voted in assisted suicide.

Fortunately, as a Trump supporter, you don't need the government's permission: alcohol poisoning and opioid overdoses will see things through for you on their own. Rising death rates due to suicide and drug overdose among middle-aged whites can't increase fast enough.

That's the spirit, who needs healthcare just die already.

DangerDog wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 21:20:
Move to Colorado, they just voted in assisted suicide.

Fortunately, as a Trump supporter, you don't need the government's permission: alcohol poisoning and opioid overdoses will see things through for you on their own. Rising death rates due to suicide and drug overdose among middle-aged whites can't increase fast enough.

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:
This rancid cheetoh won fair and square because the majority of Americans are selfish, racist, and generally just bad human beings who are great at making self-defeating decisions. Net neutrality is dead. Roe v Wade is dead. Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead. The war on drugs is alive and well.

And the most serious issue of our time, climate change, well, Trump doesn't believe it exists.

What's that saying again?

Democracy is great as long as my guy wins.

The doom and gloom is pointless. There is a way forward and it's recognizing the mistakes made. The smug, snobby attitudes from the far left will not help us govern in the future. I did what I could, I volunteered for Sanders and we were shouted down by our own party about Clinton who never had a chance. I saw it from many of you here even. If you really care about these issues stop talking about embarrassment and casting blame elsewhere, look at yourselves. We can win next time if we stop feeling sorry for ourselves, look at reasons instead of saying "fuckin racist hicks!" and cryabout how unfair the world is.

Canadians are not as warm and cheery as the rest of the world likes to think they are

Canadians elected a fucking drama teacher with a selfie stick so I'm getting a little tired of their "empathy" about our candidates.

This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2016, 21:57.

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:57:

Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:10:

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:
Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead.

Repealing Obamacare will be the best thing Trump does.

Not for the millions of low income Americans who will lose coverage, or people getting denied for pre-existing conditions. What would you say to those people? What would your boy Trump do for them in lieu of Obamacare?

Move to Colorado, they just voted in assisted suicide.

Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:10:

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:
Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead.

Repealing Obamacare will be the best thing Trump does.

- Before Obamacare, I had health insurance at a cost of ~ 280 dollars a month. 500 deductible, 3500 out of pocket max.
- In the three years of Obamacare, my premium went from 280 to 300 to 400 to 720 (what it would be next year if I kept it.)
- My deductible went from 500 to 1000 to 1500 to 2500.
- I don't even know how much my out of pocket max next year would be. It was 6800 this last year. It'll likely be 10 grand or so. I just quit reading the letter after it said 720 dollars a month in premium.

(This isn't even counting the fact my medications have nearly doubled in price too.)

For the majority of Americans, it'll just be cheaper to pay the penalty. (You know, let's punish them for being TOO FUCKING POOR TO AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE.) Yeah, that's a great system. Too bad we're losing it!

Sorry, not meant as an attack against you personally, but Obamacare is fucking bankrupting the people in this country who are unfortunate enough to not have healthcare through their employer.

Once again people forget Obama came from Chicago and is a big business figure head. The DEMS love to pretend they aren't stinking fucking rich!

You want to fix healthcare? Demand all law makers use it.

Protesting!? REALLY!? wow.

Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:10:

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:
Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead.

Repealing Obamacare will be the best thing Trump does.

Not for the millions of low income Americans who will lose coverage, or people getting denied for pre-existing conditions. What would you say to those people? What would your boy Trump do for them in lieu of Obamacare?

This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2016, 21:12.

For the majority of Americans, it'll just be cheaper to pay the penalty.

'Course it is; the law says that the penalty cannot exceed the cost of the cheapest plan. Unfortunately the penalty doesn't actually benefit you in any way...

Alas, I'm considering the penalty anyway for next year. I don't qualify for any subsidies, and the cost of insuring my family is almost 20% of my paycheck - practically the same as my mortgage! - and that's just the extra cost for my family (i.e. not including me).

The penalty would be less than $3000 for the whole year, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than a plan. And the savings would pay for a lot of health care, should we need it. To gamble or not to gamble, that is the question...

JoeCool wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:30:

Simon Says wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:27:
trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition

And thus it begins... brace yourselves, dark ages science denialism and witch hunts are coming, and winter too.

Good, "climate change" alarmism is more politics than actual science. I also look forward to pulling out of the paris treaty.

Reality check

Bodolza wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 17:57:

Mordecai Walfish wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 17:28:
DNC let everyone down by simply picking Hillary because it was 'her turn'

The DNC didn't "pick" anybody. That's revising history. The leaked e-mails didn't show any mass conspiracy. In fact, there were e-mails both for and against Hilary.

If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The Republican and Democratic parties, however, work very hard at the kind of corruption that they adhere to. They want you to think everything is lollipops and rainbows, nothing to see here. It's already been studied that America is an Oligarchy (not a democracy) for years, run by an insane asylum and sank fast, ranking lower than other types of democracies around the globe.

As a third party member, but also supported friends that supported Bernie, I could tell something fishy was happening. Corruption and "Conspiracy" are two sides of the same coin. And don't just take that from me, there is evidence of fraud. Trump was also right when he said the elections are rigged, but they are not rigged in the way he thinks - the CPD rigged the elections since the 90s when they shut down the League of Women Voters, effectively shutting out Third Parties which Walter Cronkite called a fraud on the American people.

“The difference between the reported totals, and our best estimate of the actual vote, varies considerably from state to state. However these differences are significant—sometimes more than 10%—and could change the outcome of the election.” - Fritz Scheuren, professor of statistics at George Washington University, President of the American Statistical Association (ASA)

Elliot Crown - it IS possible software stole votes

Election Justice also has the following study (Democracy Lost):

with findings that Bernie Sanders won the Democratic primaries, but was denied victory from the following types of election fraud (pg. 95):

1) Targeted voter suppression
2) Registration tampering
3) Illegal voter purges
4) Exit polling discrepancies
5) Evidence for voting machine tampering
6) The security (or lack thereof) of various voting machine types

“Based on this work, Election Justice USA has established an upper estimate of 184 pledged delegates lost by Senator Bernie Sanders as a consequence of specific irregularities and instances of fraud. Adding these delegates to Senator Sanders’ pledged delegate total and subtracting the same number from Hillary Clinton’s total would more than erase the 359 pledged delegate gap between the two candidates. EJUSA established the upper estimate through exit polling data, statistical analysis by precinct size, and attention to the details of Democratic proportional awarding of national delegates. Even small changes in vote shares in critical states like Massachusetts and New York could have substantially changed the media narrative surrounding the primaries in ways that would likely have had far reaching consequences for Senator Sanders’ campaign.” (15 Minute Analysis of this study by Lee Camp)

Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

"Wikileaks was not Russian propaganda, it was the news.

Wikileaks has a 10-year record of never releasing a single falsified document, and is not connected to Russia. Everything they released were the actual e-mails of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. You had the opportunity to look through a window into the Hillary Clinton campaign, but you didn’t."

Why Trump Won; Why Hillary Lost - By the honorable Robert Parry (famous journalist who helped expose Iran-Contra)

Other countries and their people or leaders are not my enemy and I do not engage in dangerous McCarthyism.

In any case, now is not the time to give up. It's about growing movements, trying to come together across the divide, and doing our best to hold politicians or Presidents with their feet to the fire. There is plenty of room in activist groups such as anti-war, peace, environmental, human-rights, and general advocacy groups against corruption.

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:

Ozmodan wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 17:32:

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 17:10:
Very ashamed to be an American today.

Grow up. It is called democracy.

Hence why I am ashamed. Some dictator didn't force his way into power. There wasn't some coup.

This rancid cheetoh won fair and square because the majority of Americans are selfish, racist, and generally just bad human beings who are great at making self-defeating decisions. Net neutrality is dead. Roe v Wade is dead. Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead. The war on drugs is alive and well.

And the most serious issue of our time, climate change, well, Trump doesn't believe it exists.

You call it racism I call it realism. Why shuold americans be forced to endure invasions from people that come from cultures that are in the 3rd world. These people offer nothing and bring nothing. Just look at germany.

Simon Says wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:27:
trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition

And thus it begins... brace yourselves, dark ages science denialism and witch hunts are coming, and winter too.

Good, "climate change" alarmism is more politics than actual science. I also look forward to pulling out of the paris treaty.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 14:11:

Muscular Beaver wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 13:13:
And sorry, I am only making fun of you now, because once I detected hypocrisy in someone, I know its useless to have a real discussion with him/her.

So, you don't think I'm really ashamed of my race or sex? You'd be wrong, I am. I find it highly disappointing they were so easily duped.

If you are referring to my response to you implying I am a racist, that was simple sarcasm not hypocrisy.

The racism came from the left in the form of blacklivesmatter and the sjw. American clearly rejected that nonsense.

trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition

And thus it begins... brace yourselves, dark ages science denialism and witch hunts are coming, and winter too.

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 12:43:
Can you abdicate your race and sex? I'm not enjoying being associated with the group (white males) who elected this... person.

And your line of self-loathing white liberlism is why you lost. The dems wanted to make this an us vs. them race vote and it became that. It didn't hurt that blacklivesmatter basically burns down and riots in their own cities every time a cop justly shoots a criminal.

Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 20:10:
- In the three years of Obamacare, my premium went from 280 to 300 to 400 to 720 (what it would be next year if I kept it..

You have no evidence that your premiums wouldn't have gone up just as much if Obamacare didn't pass. They might have gone up even higher. If you're low income, then your premiums are probably lower with subsidies than they were before.

I honestly hope you don't have a pre-existing condition, because if you do, once Obamacare is repealed, you're fucked.

Millions of Americans are going to lose their healthcare in a couple months. People are going to die unnecessarily because of what happened last night, and that makes me really sad.

jimnms wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 19:33:
The republican party hates him, so I predict they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they get him out ASAP.

They'd love to, but their base has spoken.

NKD wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:33:
Any hopes for real steps towards universal healthcare are dead.

Repealing Obamacare will be the best thing Trump does.

- Before Obamacare, I had health insurance at a cost of ~ 280 dollars a month. 500 deductible, 3500 out of pocket max.
- In the three years of Obamacare, my premium went from 280 to 300 to 400 to 720 (what it would be next year if I kept it.)
- My deductible went from 500 to 1000 to 1500 to 2500.
- I don't even know how much my out of pocket max next year would be. It was 6800 this last year. It'll likely be 10 grand or so. I just quit reading the letter after it said 720 dollars a month in premium.

(This isn't even counting the fact my medications have nearly doubled in price too.)

For the majority of Americans, it'll just be cheaper to pay the penalty. (You know, let's punish them for being TOO FUCKING POOR TO AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE.) Yeah, that's a great system. Too bad we're losing it!

Sorry, not meant as an attack against you personally, but Obamacare is fucking bankrupting the people in this country who are unfortunate enough to not have healthcare through their employer.

Yosemite Sam wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 18:42:
just go with "Survivor White House" for the next cycle.

I would watch the SHIT out of Survivor White House.

The republican party hates him, so I predict they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they get him out ASAP.