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I feel like I'm forgetting something. I'm sure I had some sort of plans for today, but I can't recall what they were. Oh yeah, voting... it's election day here in the U.S. All I'll say is I hope the election puts an end to some of the rancor and divisiveness it brought with it, and that the ugliness of this all will cease with a final outcome. It's probably too much to hope for, but one can dream.

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134. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 16:10 Retired
 
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:37:
BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:29:
Well, if that's the case, you're only hope is to get a boat and live in the open sea. Because you're saying that democracy never works. Or do you offer a solution?

Yeah, and it's not that difficult a solution either. Stop with the ridiculous cash contributions for policy. Everyone's railing about the Supreme Court going republican, but it was the democratically led SCOTUS that did the utterly insane "Corporations can now bribe politicians directly" interpretation.

Stop lobbying. Stop bribes. Stop letting Comcast just give a senator 30K in "campaign contributions", and suddenly that Senator is voting that Comcast should be allowed to raise their fees by 17000 dollars a month, and now comcast subscriptions are mandatory for everyone living in their service area.

I mean, they're not even TRYING to hide it anymore.

There used to be a time when this shit was illegal, but not anymore. As long as this goes on, the entire concept of democracy is null and void. Maybe we can call it "Democracy for the Rich."



We don't always agree - but this couldn't be more true. I have been saying this for a long time.

Can't buy votes, yet not one lawmaker writes their own laws. It is all lobbyists BS - which is why it is all funny money law shit and special interests. Anyone that does any homework whats so ever whould be appalled by what goes into these "bills".
 
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133. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 16:00 jdreyer
 
Necrophob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 12:08:

I doubt he wrote a single word of that speech.

I dunno, he gave it without a teleprompter, and it seemed heartfelt. Maybe the ideas come from Kelly-Anne, but the words seemed to be his.
 
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132. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:59 Verno
 
LOL at this guy at work:

*Hillary Clinton loses the votes of white people in the rust belt who voted for Barack Obama*

"well guys I guess everyone outside of the metro area are just too racist, let's just do Elysium."
 
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131. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:56 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 09:52:
I get the anger at the "Establishment," but this is just a bad idea all around.

In 1980 we elected Reagan. Reagan was a former celebrity whose biggest bit of policy was a drastic tax cut on the super wealthy. This freed up the unofficial salary cap on the super wealthy, who exploited this by stagnating wages for everyone else, offshoring jobs to give themselves higher bonuses and stock prices, etc. This resulted in a huge wealth inequality and left the middle class, in particular the blue collar worker, decimated.

So, to teach the establishment a lesson, we elected another celebrity who became a Republican whose biggest policy is to cut the taxes on the super wealthy.

I'm sure, this time around, it will be different. Hey, at least we did it out of anger this time.

It's true. The Great Wage Stagnation began under Reagan and continues to this day.
 
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130. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:54 jdreyer
 
BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:18:
Many of us voted for Hillary and Trump won. But let's stand back in awe and respect of the US Constitution. It has proven it truly works. Democracy lives. No matter how much media bias, elitism, campaign money, intellectualism, and faulty polling is tossed around, a silent majority has won an election. It's proof that we are not ruled by an oligarchy. We can dislike, fear, and even dread the results but we must admit, our democracy works. The next election needs to be about all of the people, including the silent ones.

1. A Billionaire just won the WH and you're saying we're not an Oligarchy?

2. The majority voted for Clinton. Trump won the EC.

What I will say what works is a peaceful transition of power. Americans aren't going to go to war over this result. The process, such as it is, was followed, and Clinton failed to win at the game.
 
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129. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:51 jdreyer
 
Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:03:
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 09:20:
That said, the idea of Hillary Clinton being forcefully ejected from politics is quite delicious.

Yeah I hope this is the end for her in politics, the Dems need to find someone electable. She's had her chance twice now, move on.

Yeah, make no mistake. She's done.
 
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128. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:38 jdreyer
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 09:52:
I get the anger at the "Establishment," but this is just a bad idea all around.

In 1980 we elected Reagan. Reagan was a former celebrity whose biggest bit of policy was a drastic tax cut on the super wealthy. This freed up the unofficial salary cap on the super wealthy, who exploited this by stagnating wages for everyone else, offshoring jobs to give themselves higher bonuses and stock prices, etc. This resulted in a huge wealth inequality and left the middle class, in particular the blue collar worker, decimated.

So, to teach the establishment a lesson, we elected another celebrity who became a Republican whose biggest policy is to cut the taxes on the super wealthy.

I'm sure, this time around, it will be different. Hey, at least we did it out of anger this time.

The Obama coalition doesn't really include working-class whites. Trump went after them, and they voted him in. And the Obama coalition didn't really turn out for Clinton. More Hispanics voted for Trump than voted for Mitt in 2012! Black turnout was way down vs. 2012. Add to that fact that the electoral college is stacked towards rural states that vote Republican, and this election is the result. HRC won the popular vote, and lost the EC.
 
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127. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 15:31 jdreyer
 
Retired wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 05:57:
omg he did it!

I think this is an indication of a rejection of Washington and their politics more than it is a vote for Trump. Will be a fun 4 years!


Yeah, exactly this. Well-put.
 
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126. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 14:53 VaranDragon
 
Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:03:
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 09:20:
That said, the idea of Hillary Clinton being forcefully ejected from politics is quite delicious.

Yeah I hope this is the end for her in politics, the Dems need to find someone electable. She's had her chance twice now, move on.

The Dems did find someone more electable, and then they pushed him to the sidelines. In fact what the Republicans tried to do to Trump, the Democrats successfuly did to Sanders. Fact of the matter is to the Powers that Be, even a pompous rougish fool billionaire businessman is infinitely more preferable as president than a socialist senator from Vermont.
 
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125. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 14:13 Mr. Tact
 
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 13:46:
Small steps. A few more states need to pass this measure, then maybe someone in the freaking supreme court will wake up and realize they were being utter, utter morons when they made this decision.
That's all true. I guess it doesn't hurt any, I'm just discouraged by the long road ahead.
 



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124. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 13:46 Creston
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 12:38:
BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 11:23:
California Prop 59 - Passed
Totally meaningless, nothing will come of it.

Small steps. A few more states need to pass this measure, then maybe someone in the freaking supreme court will wake up and realize they were being utter, utter morons when they made this decision.

 
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123. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 13:46 BobBob
 
Edit. Wrong place.

This comment was edited on Nov 9, 2016, 14:05.
 



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122. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 12:38 Mr. Tact
 
BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 11:23:
California Prop 59 - Passed
Totally meaningless, nothing will come of it.

El Pit wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 11:17:
Okay, this is pretty funny: https://youtu.be/GZc8tBtIDhI
Ha! Yeah, that is amusing.
 



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121. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 12:12 Verno
 
Necrophob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 12:08:
I doubt he wrote a single word of that speech.

Of course not, most candidates have their own speech writers including Hillary. Nonetheless it was still very gracious and out of character after this wacko campaign.
 
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120. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 12:08 Necrophob
 
Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 09:03:
Someone better put John Oliver on suicide watch.

I can't say I care for the man but Trump is the enema that Washington and the media need right now. For the first time I've seen other media outlets surpass Foxnews in biased coverage. ABC, Huffington Post, CNN et al. let go of all pretenses in their frantic attempts to stave off a Trump presidency. The media coverage of this election was frankly appalling.

I tend to lean right of center so I'm not displeased. I thought Trump had an excellent speech to close it off too, surprisingly gracious and restrained. Makes you wonder how much of the campaign stuff was strictly show. Looking forward to things settling down now, hopefully he has successfully cowed the party and the establishment a bit.

I doubt he wrote a single word of that speech.
 
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119. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 11:28 RedEye9
 

While perusing the world I came across this post. It pretty much sums up my feelings.
Fuck. Fucking fuck.
 
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118. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 11:23 BobBob
 
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:37:
BobBob wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:29:
Well, if that's the case, you're only hope is to get a boat and live in the open sea. Because you're saying that democracy never works. Or do you offer a solution?

Yeah, and it's not that difficult a solution either. Stop with the ridiculous cash contributions for policy. Everyone's railing about the Supreme Court going republican, but it was the democratically led SCOTUS that did the utterly insane "Corporations can now bribe politicians directly" interpretation.

Stop lobbying. Stop bribes. Stop letting Comcast just give a senator 30K in "campaign contributions", and suddenly that Senator is voting that Comcast should be allowed to raise their fees by 17000 dollars a month, and now comcast subscriptions are mandatory for everyone living in their service area.

I mean, they're not even TRYING to hide it anymore.

There used to be a time when this shit was illegal, but not anymore. As long as this goes on, the entire concept of democracy is null and void. Maybe we can call it "Democracy for the Rich."



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117. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 11:17 El Pit
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 9, 2016, 10:48:
On the bright side ISIS is done for! Trump can now launch his secret plan and they will be wiped off the map! What? Oh, this isn't a Marvel Comics movie? Sorry. Nevermind.

Nuke them from orbit!

Okay, this is pretty funny: https://youtu.be/GZc8tBtIDhI
 



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116. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 11:11 Mr. Tact
 
I think I'll go play a marathon session of Factorio. Get me out of this funk for at least a little while.  



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115. Re: Out of the Blue Nov 9, 2016, 10:56 Mr. Tact
 
More seriously -- here is the most telling thing I have seen in the coverage so far:

2016 Clinton 59,354,848
2016 Trump- 59,188,799

(not all votes counted yet)

2012 B.Obama- 65,915,795
2012 M.Romney 60,933,504

Both candidates got less votes than the losing candidate in the 2012 election. So, it wasn't so much that Trump voters showed up in droves as it was, 7 million people who voted in 2012 were so disgusted/disappointed/whatever'ed in the choices they simply didn't vote.
 



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