eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 17:21:Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 16:34:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
That's what vexes me the most. You look at countries with draconian laws like the three strikes laws in the US where guys are literally in prison for life for dumb shit like shoplifting. And here were have felony fraud on an unparalleled scale and not one fucking person will go to jail, much likely even lose their job or bonues/stock options, etc. Like Marvin said, "makes me wanna holler, throw up both my hands."
Unless it's tax evasion or financial fraud (especially when it comes to stock related reporting laws) you won't ever see the higher echelons of limited liability company constructs go behind bars here
And like you I don't get why the USA has 3% diesel, but Germany, a country that isn't blessed by vast landscapes and distances, has 53% ... makes no sense
Zanthar wrote on Nov 7, 2016, 14:40:
Fuck the planet. I let my truck idle a good 30 min to warm up on cold days. I also throw away those six-pack plastic rings away without cutting them open so animals get trapped in them. I'll also be burning leaves this weekend.
Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 23:25:jdreyer wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 18:10:Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 14:46:
Not having diesel as the standard in large countries like Canada, US, et al. is idiotic. I remember being utterly dumbfounded the first time we rented a VW diesel in Vancouver and drove to Calgary and back on a single tank of gas. I recall thinking, 'Why aren't these the only cars on the road?' All I want is a small diesel pickup - which are common everywhere else on the friggin planet.
Yeah, but it's not really that far from a Vancouver to Calgary. It just looks far because of the way maps get distorted at northern latitudes.
Yeah, it's only 10 hours/1000 klicks. Seriously though, it is, however, one of the nicest drives in the world you can take. I've driven it several times and it's always breathtaking. I'd love to take the Rocky Express train through there one of these days. Take your wife, it'll score you major brownie points.
jdreyer wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 18:10:Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 14:46:
Not having diesel as the standard in large countries like Canada, US, et al. is idiotic. I remember being utterly dumbfounded the first time we rented a VW diesel in Vancouver and drove to Calgary and back on a single tank of gas. I recall thinking, 'Why aren't these the only cars on the road?' All I want is a small diesel pickup - which are common everywhere else on the friggin planet.
Yeah, but it's not really that far from a Vancouver to Calgary. It just looks far because of the way maps get distorted at northern latitudes.
Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 14:46:
Not having diesel as the standard in large countries like Canada, US, et al. is idiotic. I remember being utterly dumbfounded the first time we rented a VW diesel in Vancouver and drove to Calgary and back on a single tank of gas. I recall thinking, 'Why aren't these the only cars on the road?' All I want is a small diesel pickup - which are common everywhere else on the friggin planet.
Cutter wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 16:34:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
That's what vexes me the most. You look at countries with draconian laws like the three strikes laws in the US where guys are literally in prison for life for dumb shit like shoplifting. And here were have felony fraud on an unparalleled scale and not one fucking person will go to jail, much likely even lose their job or bonues/stock options, etc. Like Marvin said, "makes me wanna holler, throw up both my hands."
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 13:56:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 13:18:In the USA we call that supply and demand pricing.RedEye9 wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:37:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:Diesel is cheaper to produce. Is it subsidized or just not heavily taxed like guzzolene. http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
% taxed as part of the price
69,8% super e10
64,3% diesel
So yeah, diesel is taxed less despite being worse for the environment.
It's 3ct cheaper to produce in Germany by the way (compared to Super E10), so the price should be much closer, if not equal.
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 13:18:In the USA we call that supply and demand pricing.RedEye9 wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:37:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:Diesel is cheaper to produce. Is it subsidized or just not heavily taxed like guzzolene. http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
% taxed as part of the price
69,8% super e10
64,3% diesel
So yeah, diesel is taxed less despite being worse for the environment.
It's 3ct cheaper to produce in Germany by the way (compared to Super E10), so the price should be much closer, if not equal.
RedEye9 wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:37:eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:Diesel is cheaper to produce. Is it subsidized or just not heavily taxed like guzzolene. http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 6, 2016, 12:16:Diesel is cheaper to produce. Is it subsidized or just not heavily taxed like guzzolene. http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
Wish it would deepen, but the corrupt car lobby makes up nearly 30% of German Industries.. and many politions are linked to the scandal here as well. So unsurprisingly nothing will happen here due to this. VW even had the balls to come out and say that a defeat device that defeats a testing cycle is not illegal (to which even our corrupt politicians had choice harsh words)
In the end, in some way I am glad the US pushes for this, because this stupid diesel tech is a crutch on cars here for nearly 30 years now. Diesel to this day is subsidized at the fuel station so everyone not driving a diesel literally pays for it anyway. This whole thing is fucked up. ;(