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SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare

The striking voice actors at SAG-AFTRA offer a statement about the release of Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare. They say they "welcome" the release, but their passive/aggressive agenda shows through as they enter accountant mode to explain how much of the game's revenue was devoted to voice talent:
SAG-AFTRA today welcomed the release of Activision’s latest “Call of Duty” installment “Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare” by noting that dialogue by voice performers appears in 100 percent of the blockbuster franchise's gameplay.

SAG-AFTRA believes that performance matters and its members who are heard on Activision’s “Call of Duty” franchise have helped make these games international bestsellers. In fact, “Call of Duty: Black Ops III” is the top game on current-generation consoles, according to the company’s own figures. That helps explain why Activision has reported record third-quarter revenue of $1.57 billion, up from $990 million the previous year. The company now expects to finish 2016 with $6.45 billion in revenue — exceeding its earlier forecasts.

Meanwhile, voice and performance capture actors who have performed all roles on all titles of the epic “Call of Duty” series since 2003 earned roughly 0.03 percent of the franchise's $15 billion in total sales, according to public reports and SAG-AFTRA figures.

“SAG-AFTRA understands that the great majority of work done on the ‘Call of Duty’ franchise was done by committed teams of animators, coders and developers — workers who were often required to put in twelve-fourteen hour days, seven days a week for months at a time,” said SAG-AFTRA President Gabrielle Carteris. “While we applaud these herculean efforts, we believe that the culture of exploitation that exists in all aspects of the video game industry must come to an end.”
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16. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 12:09 RedEye9
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 23:13:
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
derp derp derpy derp

Also, with this statement, you can turn in your Socialist card.
My thoughts exactly, he's just an ignorant trolling clueless hypocrite, ITCH for short. You could also put belittling in front.
 
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15. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 07:35 eRe4s3r
 
DangerDog wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 18:28:
They'll all be replaced, voice synthesizers are progressively getting better and someone is going to combine that technology with something like autotune algorithms eventually to make either anyone replace their voice with another or go natural speech right from text-to-speech conversion.

Last Photoshop audio software allows for voice modulation that you can no longer tell apart as fake. As in, even voice ID is tricked by it.
 
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14. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 04:28 Numinar
 
Anyone remember the bad old days of voice acting when video game cinematics/VO were a joke? Oh the horror. Whatever the outcome please don't let it be that.

Games like Uncharted/Batman really bought home how far this part of gaming has come. It used to be anime dub bad not that long ago and I don't want to go back. Trust me Actitard, double what you give them now to keep them on task, it's worth it.
 
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13. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 02:59 Devinoch
 
Sempai wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 21:56:
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.



Ug..How does one even respond to this idiocy?

Don't. Cutter hasn't got a single brain cell functioning. He's just here to troll.
 



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12. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 01:23 NKD
 
Prez wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 21:56:
Also, I would think that if jobs were so hard to come by isn't it likely a union member would cross the picket line to take a job if offered?

The difference here is that these aren't like, striking automotive workers. Those guys have literally only one industry they can work in. These guys can refuse to work for the games industry and still make a living in their chosen profession, though with a few less job opportunities.

Radio ads, television ads, cartoons, movies, etc. And hey, all those industries already provide secondary compensation in the forms of residuals or bonuses which the gaming industry refuses to do. That's why these pickets and stuff aren't really aggressively scheduled: these folks are still working. What leverage do you really have over striking employees if they've all got money coming in and can simply work in another industry.

I think that's ultimately the strongest case they can make. They can, and would survive without the games industry. So either the games industry decides they no longer want quality voice acting, or they come to the negotiating table.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 23:13:

Major actors have professional agents negotiating for them.

Also, with this statement, you can turn in your Socialist card.

Cutter flip-flops between being a Socialist and some die-hard Anarchocapitalist every week. I really don't understand.

 
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11. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 6, 2016, 00:29 McJammiepants
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.



Wow. I have seen you post some ignorant stuff, but this goes well beyond. This is oligarchal cynicism at its worst. Companies more often than not haven't a clue what is of worth unless there is historical data to validate it. They operate almost entirely on market analysis, depending on their size, and committee. As was said by someone else, major actors weren't always major and required a number of contacts, lucky breaks, and yes, a union working for their best interests. The world may "owe you nothing" but I can guarantee you, Cutter, you're only alive because other people thought you were worth their time, energy, knowledge, and support.
 
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10. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 23:13 jdreyer
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.

Major actors have professional agents negotiating for them.

Also, with this statement, you can turn in your Socialist card.
 
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9. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 21:56 Sempai
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.



Ug..How does one even respond to this idiocy?
 
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8. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 21:56 Prez
 
From what I've been hearing there are a whole bunch of quality voice actors who aren't in the union. Can anyone verify this? If true it would seem that companies could just hire outside of the union, which would kind of take the teeth out of the union, wouldn't it? Also, I would think that if jobs were so hard to come by isn't it likely a union member would cross the picket line to take a job if offered?  
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7. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 21:15 Scud
 
No, companies will pay you whatever they can get away with. And you can be a great engineer but still be a terrible negotiator, being a bad negotiator doesn't mean you deserve slave wages. That's why we have unions. They can hire professional negotiators and since it could mean everyone walking out and not just you it gives them leverage, which is why companies hate unions. And you're right, the world owes you nothing, but that applies to factory workers and CEO's alike.

Cutter wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 16:21:
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.


 
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6. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 18:28 DangerDog
 
They'll all be replaced, voice synthesizers are progressively getting better and someone is going to combine that technology with something like autotune algorithms eventually to make either anyone replace their voice with another or go natural speech right from text-to-speech conversion.  
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5. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 16:21 Cutter
 
A company will only pay you what they feel you're worth. If you can't negotiate for better pay, royalties, etc. than you aren't of much value to them, are you? Major actors never have these problems. It's no different from a corporation hiring an exec over a member of the rank and file. Once makes a lot more money, stock options, benefits, etc. and the other is lucky to have a paying job. Learn to cope with it already. If you don't like it, go do something else. The world owes you nothing.


 
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4. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 16:03 Stormsinger
 
jdreyer wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 14:44:
Well said. And while it's often pointed out "the total voice acting hours on a AAA title are only 0.05%!!!1" just go play the game with the sound off and subtitles on and see how much you enjoy it.

Lack of unionization isn't just a problem in the videogame industry but in the GFX industry as well. Effects artists also work extremely long hours, have no job stability, and get no residuals.

It's not just a problem in specific industries, it's a nation-wide issue. 50 years of GOP propaganda has convinced too many wage-earners that their interests are best served by the lone-wolf model of economics. Which is pretty obviously bullshit if you spend even a few minutes thinking about the relative disparities of one-man vs one-corporation negotiations.
 
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3. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 14:44 jdreyer
 
Well said. And while it's often pointed out "the total voice acting hours on a AAA title are only 0.05%!!!1" just go play the game with the sound off and subtitles on and see how much you enjoy it.

Lack of unionization isn't just a problem in the videogame industry but in the GFX industry as well. Effects artists also work extremely long hours, have no job stability, and get no residuals.
 
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2. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 14:33 Devinoch
 
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 5, 2016, 14:12:
Valid claims, valid case. Unfortunately the tech world seems highly resistant to unionization, to its own detriment. Good luck with that.


The tech world is highly resistant to progress, which is ironic, when you think about it.
 



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1. Re: SAG-AFTRA on Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Nov 5, 2016, 14:12 MoreLuckThanSkill
 
Valid claims, valid case. Unfortunately the tech world seems highly resistant to unionization, to its own detriment. Good luck with that.

 
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