ION wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 17:06:
"Squadron 42 is delayed."

"To celebrate the delay of Squadron 42 we have launched a new ship, you can purchase Spam Javelin for £138971 (or £139971.99 with the Anus Aerospace skin) for 1 week only"

Full disclaimer, I am a backer but I feel in 40 years I will tell my
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!
grandson that I backed this game more for a laugh about the fact that I backed it than for actually playing it.

Hey at least you took a risk and either way it goes, you're part of something big. Just like this year's election, nobody actually knows for sure how things will end even if things are looking one way. The inevitable post-mortem with all the internal dealings will have some entertainment value if nothing else.

El Pit wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 16:49:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:10:
The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety.

Ehm...

You're actually playing the entirety of the game.

"Squadron 42 is delayed."

"To celebrate the delay of Squadron 42 we have launched a new ship, you can purchase Spam Javelin for £138971 (or £139971.99 with the Anus Aerospace skin) for 1 week only"

At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!

Full disclaimer, I am a backer but I feel in 40 years I will tell my grandson that I backed this game more for a laugh about the fact that I backed it than for actually playing it.

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:10:
The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety.

Ehm...

grudgebearer wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:40:

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:10:

Rilcon wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:58:
If this thing ever comes out, is just half of what's been promised over the years, and isn't a bug-ridden, janky disaster, sure, I can see myself putting down $50 or the like for it.

As it is, it's just a lot of really fancy tech demos and PR. I can see why people buy into the hype, though, which is why I'm staying well away from any "early demos" or long-presentations or whatever.

The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety. If people like what they play they can back it, whilst others can wait or pass on it.

As an original backer from 2012 I want them to do it right. Once the game has been released it can't be taken back and the review scores will stick, along with first impressions. Obviously the delays are disappointing but they're far from unexpected. CIG has only just been showing off vision stabilisation and hasn't even shown us Star Marine yet, so the core systems just aren't in place yet.

If CIG can't show us the Squadron 42 presentation or release 3.0 this year then I'll be disappointed. If they can't get out 2.6 this year then I'll be concerned.

Cognitive dissonance is a way of life for people who have sunk a lot of money into this scheme...

I know, right? That was just an amazing rationalization! And people wonder how cults succeed.

The Squadron 42 delay was more than expected given the state of the "game" (flight model, animations etc.). According to the CitizenCon presentation, the S42 campaign has been split up into 28 chapters comprising 60+ missions. We will have to see how many chapters they are going to deliver per episode. I would not bet on more than a single chapter in 2017... if that.

The much bigger surprise (to me at least) than the S42 delay was the fact that travel to multiple star systems has been delayed all the way to version 4.0.
Even the most optimistic people don't seriously expect 4.0 before early 2018 at the very earliest.
This means that Shitizens will be stuck in the single Stanton system for the entire calendar year of 2017 or easily 18+ months total from today. Wow.
This also means that they are even further behind and struggling even more massively with their infrastructure development ("net code", multiple instances and MMO backbone) than even pessimist boaters like myself suspected.

So, early 2018 and there will still be 99 star systems missing. Will the artists be able to finish more systems up to that point so they could theoretically release a bunch of systems in one go? Maybe... but I doubt it because the systems will have to go through extensive live testing. You can not have missions spawn inside a planet or an asteroid and all that crap that can hardly be tested in an isolated sandbox. The art asset creation per se is only a fraction of the whole shebang. It takes a lot more before you can put a star system online.

At this rate the full game with the promised 100 star systems at launch will definitely not be finished even close before the turn of the decade. Realistically, we're talking ~2022-ish at this point if things work out pretty well until then (which probably won't happen given the track record so far).

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:10:

Rilcon wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:58:
If this thing ever comes out, is just half of what's been promised over the years, and isn't a bug-ridden, janky disaster, sure, I can see myself putting down $50 or the like for it.

As it is, it's just a lot of really fancy tech demos and PR. I can see why people buy into the hype, though, which is why I'm staying well away from any "early demos" or long-presentations or whatever.

The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety. If people like what they play they can back it, whilst others can wait or pass on it.

As an original backer from 2012 I want them to do it right. Once the game has been released it can't be taken back and the review scores will stick, along with first impressions. Obviously the delays are disappointing but they're far from unexpected. CIG has only just been showing off vision stabilisation and hasn't even shown us Star Marine yet, so the core systems just aren't in place yet.

If CIG can't show us the Squadron 42 presentation or release 3.0 this year then I'll be disappointed. If they can't get out 2.6 this year then I'll be concerned.

Cognitive dissonance is a way of life for people who have sunk a lot of money into this scheme...

jdreyer wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:49:

Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:38:

nin wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:14:
I seriously doubt I'll play it when it arrives...they had their chance and blew it.

Why? Is that a "there's no way it will be good enough to waste my time on it" statement or a "I've followed the development of this too closely to play it unless it's the best game ever made" kind of statement?

Often I see people turned off of games they followed closely, because they followed closely. Personally, the best course seems to be just not following development closely.

Your tastes change, and so does your situation. 5 years ago, I loved playing RTS games and long, deep RPGs. Now I barely play either. I prefer shorter, simpler stuff. I know the Witcher 3 is perhaps the best RPG ever made, and right up my alley, but I haven't picked it up because I don't see myself with either the time or motivation to play it.

I get that, which is why I gave nin the benefit of the doubt, but I think many swear they'll never play it due to how annoying the development process has been.

Similar to how some refuse to buy games because of broken promises from the devs. At some point, that's on you, too. In many cases millions of people love these games because they don't pay close attention too soon. If someone is the type to repeatedly swear they won't buy a game because of stuff behind the scenes, maybe best to stop paying attention to the behind the scenes.

I have little interest in SC - I just don't like these types of games. But if it comes out and is great, I may check it out. I haven't really bothered reading these articles so the nonsense is meaningless to me.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:12:
I think I speak for everyone on bluesnews, when I say this delay comes as a complete surprise.

hahahahaha

theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 15:10:

Rilcon wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:58:
If this thing ever comes out, is just half of what's been promised over the years, and isn't a bug-ridden, janky disaster, sure, I can see myself putting down $50 or the like for it.

As it is, it's just a lot of really fancy tech demos and PR. I can see why people buy into the hype, though, which is why I'm staying well away from any "early demos" or long-presentations or whatever.

The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety. If people like what they play they can back it, whilst others can wait or pass on it.

As an original backer from 2012 I want them to do it right. Once the game has been released it can't be taken back and the review scores will stick, along with first impressions. Obviously the delays are disappointing but they're far from unexpected. CIG has only just been showing off vision stabilisation and hasn't even shown us Star Marine yet, so the core systems just aren't in place yet.

If CIG can't show us the Squadron 42 presentation or release 3.0 this year then I'll be disappointed. If they can't get out 2.6 this year then I'll be concerned.

I have three letters for you - DNF

Where is Star Marine? Now hard can it be to make that?

Where is the Hangars that you can invite your friends into to show off the stuff you have brought form CIG (Ships, Hangar flair)? How hard could that be to make?

Chris Roberts is a joke who is using other peoples money to play director.

P.S ----- Buy more ships*!

*well, pictures of ships.

Rilcon wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:58:
If this thing ever comes out, is just half of what's been promised over the years, and isn't a bug-ridden, janky disaster, sure, I can see myself putting down $50 or the like for it.

As it is, it's just a lot of really fancy tech demos and PR. I can see why people buy into the hype, though, which is why I'm staying well away from any "early demos" or long-presentations or whatever.

The great thing is that CIG has regular free-fly weeks that allow people to test out the game in its entirety. If people like what they play they can back it, whilst others can wait or pass on it.

As an original backer from 2012 I want them to do it right. Once the game has been released it can't be taken back and the review scores will stick, along with first impressions. Obviously the delays are disappointing but they're far from unexpected. CIG has only just been showing off vision stabilisation and hasn't even shown us Star Marine yet, so the core systems just aren't in place yet.

If CIG can't show us the Squadron 42 presentation or release 3.0 this year then I'll be disappointed. If they can't get out 2.6 this year then I'll be concerned.

If this thing ever comes out, is just half of what's been promised over the years, and isn't a bug-ridden, janky disaster, sure, I can see myself putting down $50 or the like for it.

As it is, it's just a lot of really fancy tech demos and PR. I can see why people buy into the hype, though, which is why I'm staying well away from any "early demos" or long-presentations or whatever.

Beamer wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:38:

nin wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:14:
I seriously doubt I'll play it when it arrives...they had their chance and blew it.

Why? Is that a "there's no way it will be good enough to waste my time on it" statement or a "I've followed the development of this too closely to play it unless it's the best game ever made" kind of statement?

Often I see people turned off of games they followed closely, because they followed closely. Personally, the best course seems to be just not following development closely.

Your tastes change, and so does your situation. 5 years ago, I loved playing RTS games and long, deep RPGs. Now I barely play either. I prefer shorter, simpler stuff. I know the Witcher 3 is perhaps the best RPG ever made, and right up my alley, but I haven't picked it up because I don't see myself with either the time or motivation to play it.

jdreyer wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:26:
You do have to admit, the technology is impressive. But it's just an engine.

3DMark has always been really impressive too.

El Pit wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:26:

nin wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:07:

Creston wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:04:
Oh, is that all they have left to do? Q1 2017!

The key is to specify a month or season, but never an actual year...

Release: as early as New Year's Day
Year: not specified

Like this?

Like this I think:

Coming Christmas, 20xx

Dacron wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 14:34:

BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 13:49:
The delays don't bother me. I've stopped updating my client months ago since it goes against my DL caps (I just love canada) and I usually only play for a few minutes.

If you're on the westcoast, check out shaws new 150. 1TB limit, 150mbps, $5 more than their 30 for the first 2 years.

Thanks for the heads up, I am on the West Coast. I currently have the Telus dual DSL which is pretty fast (75down/50up), but very expensive. Definitely going to look into this.

BadIronTree wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 11:08:
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/OddSheepRuleFive
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/CarefulBeePMSTwin
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/DelightfulWalrusKeepo
Highlights


https://youtu.be/XuDj5v81Nd0?t=1h25m22s
<3 <3 <3

I like how it looks but I do see some hiccups in the engine during this presentation. That's in a controlled environment as well, with their specific systems for this specific demo (the fucking guy on the mountain )

so far it looks like a flashier No Man's Sky.

I was hoping for a really awesome single player spaceship game out of this and it looks like it could be that. It's too bad they are trying to make this the super awesome everything MMO.

BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 13:49:
The delays don't bother me. I've stopped updating my client months ago since it goes against my DL caps (I just love canada) and I usually only play for a few minutes.

If you're on the westcoast, check out shaws new 150. 1TB limit, 150mbps, $5 more than their 30 for the first 2 years.

I need to sit down, the room is spinning. Up is down, left is right, dogs and cats living together!