Star Citizen Squadron 42 Delayed [Oct 10, 2016, 09:10 am ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
The Squadron 42 campaign for Star Citizen is delayed until 2017,
reports Kotaku UK, saying the news was revealed during a livestream from
CitizenCon. The first chapter of the single-player side of the space simulator
was most recently supposed to come to backers this year, but this news confirms
rumors of a delay that surfaced
last month. On the bright
side,
Eurogamer notes that Cloud Imperium Games released a new video showing off
how planets will be procedurally generated in the game, along with other
tidbits, including a sandworm, though they don't specify whether this is showing
us Beetleguise or Dune. Back to the delay, the Kotaku UK story offers two
slides with details on the state of the project, and here is what those say:
S42 Primary Tech Hurdles
Content
Most of our base technology is now complete
Still in Progress:
Subsumption
- Pathfinding Logic
- Full Animation Integration
- Improved Combat Logic
- Mission System Integration
- Enhanced Fight AI
Object Container Streaming
CPU and GPU Optimizations
S42 Status Update
Content
- All chapters and gameplay features at grey-box or better
- Taking one chapter to final ship quality - flushes out any technical, integration and polish issues.
- Building Technology & Systems for the long term and the whole SC universe - no short cuts!
I have a question. How important is a procedural planet to Squadron 42?
Mass Effect 1 kind of had procedural worlds that quickly angered players; especially the M35 Mako (what a nightmare of a vehicle!). BioWare learned from that mistake and made planet missions in ME2 and ME3 much more focused. They did away with quasi-procedural planets. I'd imagine that change alone saved them a lot of money and time.
I feel like Chris isn't making a game, he's building an engine, and he wants to license the engine back to CryEngine and others eventually. If that's the case, that is not what backers asked for. Supporters just want a game, not engine development.
Am I wrong in this conclusion? If I am please let me know.
Mass Effect 1 kind of had procedural worlds that quickly angered players; especially the M35 Mako (what a nightmare of a vehicle!). BioWare learned from that mistake and made planet missions in ME2 and ME3 much more focused. They did away with quasi-procedural planets. I'd imagine that change alone saved them a lot of money and time.
I feel like Chris isn't making a game, he's building an engine, and he wants to license the engine back to CryEngine and others eventually. If that's the case, that is not what backers asked for. Supporters just want a game, not engine development.
Am I wrong in this conclusion? If I am please let me know.
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descender wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:25:
Do other publishers hold the copyright on sand and mountains? I've pretty certain that you both would have made your same post no matter what it looked like.
Prior art: the bible.
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Timmeh wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 11:16:BitWraith wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:41:The Half Elf wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:35:Angrius Maximis wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:15:
This game is going to be on a Derek Smart level of FAILURE
At least Smart has shipped a game
I would rather wait for one than spend money on a broken one.
I have some of the universal combat games... they are pretty cool. Not the best graphics but you can do a lot of stuff.
None of them are "broken".
I'm sure they are, but they have the absolute worse UI. Part of making a game fun to play is the UI has to be intuitive. It's not the gamer's job to remember a 96-page manual on how to play. For Derek's games only a few ever got to the point where they could remember the dizzying array of menus/submenus and hotkeys. I believe those customers continue to support Derek and his many projects. However, IIRC I remember Derek berated one customer for not remembering the manual.
This comment was edited on Oct 10, 2016, 21:59.
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Kxmode wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 21:36:Given the incredible shitstorm following the release of NMS, it was rather stupid of Roberts to recreate the initial NMS mission for his SC demo.BadIronTree wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 11:08:
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/OddSheepRuleFive
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/CarefulBeePMSTwin
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/DelightfulWalrusKeepo
Highlights
https://youtu.be/XuDj5v81Nd0?t=1h25m22s
<3 <3 <3
Okay. I'm calling it. This is No Man's Sky level of nonsense. I have no idea what Chris is making. This is not the game he pitched on Kickstarter or even on the RSI website prior to 20M. What is this fool making?
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Kxmode wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 21:29:Go go go!
68 comments in! Am I too late to the party?
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BadIronTree wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 11:08:
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/OddSheepRuleFive
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/CarefulBeePMSTwin
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/DelightfulWalrusKeepo
Highlights
https://youtu.be/XuDj5v81Nd0?t=1h25m22s
<3 <3 <3
No disrespect to current backers but I'm going to call it. This is No Man's Sky level of nonsense. I have no idea what Chris is making. This is not the game he pitched on Kickstarter or even on the RSI website prior to 20M. What is he making?
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
68 comments in! Am I too late to the party?
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:22:The Half Elf wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:15:
That last link is bullshit. pro. generaterated planet my fucking ass. Lets see, a sand planet with a big snake/worm on it (obvious shot at No Man's SKy)
NMS? It was a 100% Dune rip or maybe 98% Dune and 2% Sarlacc from Star Wars RotJ. Just like those sand people were a 100% rip off of Tatooine Tusken raiders.
Star Wars/Dune clone = CIG creativity department.
Sign number 1,768 that you're backing a scam: Appeals to other people's IP to generate nostalgia...
descender wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:25:Made me think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg3eWmqbo9s
Do other publishers hold the copyright on sand and mountains? I've pretty certain that you both would have made your same post no matter what it looked like.
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The entire concept of dogfighting space battles and a single piloted craft travelling amongst the stars is utter science fiction and you're worried that they are inspired by the most popular forms of it?
Given the nature of courtrooms these days, the lack of that lawsuit existing must point to either the Dune copyright holder appreciating the nod or not caring. As if a copyright holder would not sue in this day :p
Given the nature of courtrooms these days, the lack of that lawsuit existing must point to either the Dune copyright holder appreciating the nod or not caring. As if a copyright holder would not sue in this day :p
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:32:descender wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:25:
Do other publishers hold the copyright on sand and mountains? I've pretty certain that you both would have made your same post no matter what it looked like.
It obviously depends on the degree of the similarities and this shit in the CitCon demo was as straight a rip as it gets without violating any copyrights (although if whoever owns Dune would care and persecute this, I would say they have a decent chance to make into an actual courtroom).
The "Tuskens" aren't courtroom material because they are just barely different enough but it's 100% clear where the "inspiration" came from.
Funny thing is that when the desert storm hit with the lightning, the first words out of my mouth were "Usul, we have Wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen." Then there was actually a worm and I fell out of my chair laughing.
descender wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:25:
Do other publishers hold the copyright on sand and mountains? I've pretty certain that you both would have made your same post no matter what it looked like.
It obviously depends on the degree of the similarities and this shit in the CitCon demo was as straight a rip as it gets without violating any copyrights (although if whoever owns Dune would care and persecute this, I would say they have a decent chance to make into an actual courtroom).
The "Tuskens" aren't courtroom material because they are just barely different enough but it's 100% clear where the "inspiration" came from.
Do other publishers hold the copyright on sand and mountains? I've pretty certain that you both would have made your same post no matter what it looked like.
The Half Elf wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 19:15:
That last link is bullshit. pro. generaterated planet my fucking ass. Lets see, a sand planet with a big snake/worm on it (obvious shot at No Man's SKy)
NMS? It was a 100% Dune rip or maybe 98% Dune and 2% Sarlacc from Star Wars RotJ. Just like those sand people were a 100% rip off of Tatooine Tusken raiders.
Star Wars/Dune clone = CIG creativity department.
BadIronTree wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 11:08:
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/OddSheepRuleFive
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/CarefulBeePMSTwin
https://clips.twitch.tv/starcitizen/DelightfulWalrusKeepo
Highlights
https://youtu.be/XuDj5v81Nd0?t=1h25m22s
<3 <3 <3
That last link is bullshit. pro. generaterated planet my fucking ass. Lets see, a sand planet with a big snake/worm on it (obvious shot at No Man's SKy) with "Looks like Battlefield 1's desert" -Chris Roberts. Was scripted from top to bottom (really did enjoy the sandstorm), buut this game is soooo far from what was originally pitched IF the game ever gets released I hope I'm not so damn old that I don't give a shit and just want to go to Bingo and watch Murder She Wrote.
thecakeisalie wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 18:56:Yeah, so Derek gets 1° of respect, it still leaves him with 359 degrees of smarmy tool.The Half Elf wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:35:Angrius Maximis wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:15:
This game is going to be on a Derek Smart level of FAILURE
At least Smart has shipped a game
This is what all of the Derek Smart haters forget. Derek Smart might be an arrogant tool when he wants to be, but he's actually shipped games and has a better track record of delivering on what he's promised. For that much, he deserves some degree of respect.
The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth.
U.S. Supreme Court Justice
William O. Douglas
U.S. Supreme Court Justice
William O. Douglas
The Half Elf wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:35:Angrius Maximis wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 10:15:
This game is going to be on a Derek Smart level of FAILURE
At least Smart has shipped a game
This is what all of the Derek Smart haters forget. Derek Smart might be an arrogant tool when he wants to be, but he's actually shipped games and has a better track record of delivering on what he's promised. For that much, he deserves some degree of respect.
Hahahahahahaha. I wonder when Chris will cut and run with the money that's left and we'll get the 'minimum viable product' that Chris was mumbling about earlier this year.
SlimRam wrote on Oct 10, 2016, 13:34:
Thank God Derek Smart was around to tell us this game was in trouble, otherwise I would have never guessed it.
Thing is, who else but Derek Smart to try and wake up the zealots who've bought into the cult?
Never is is it?<sarcasm included in this thread>
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