Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]

Kotaku has a follow-up to the news that Oculus founder Palmer Luckey is involved in the Nimble America social media campaign supporting presidential candidate Donald Trump. They report that some developers are cancelling Oculus Rift support, and others are reconsidering their interest in supporting the headsets. Online statements from SUPERHYPERCUBE and Scruta Games and email contacts with a couple of other developers use terms like racism and hate speech as reasons for changes of heart about the platform. The article also speculates that other developers may be tempted to follow suit, but are reliant on Oculus support to continue development. Ars Technica covers the same topic, noting that Fez developer Polytron has also chimed in. Ars points out that "there's no sign yet that developers are turning away from their association with Oculus en masse," and also note that not all of the games involved in this discussion were actually suited to VR in the first place. They also touch on Twitter buzz from consumers threatening boycotts. Update: A Facebook update by Palmer Luckey (thanks Kotaku) says he contributed $10,000 to Nimble America, but he is not the author of the "NimbleRichMan" posts, and that as a libertarian, he plans on voting for Gary Johnson.
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Trump didn't slaughter anyone, he looked and acted just like Trump does, and I loved it. He showed everyone that he has the temperament of a young child, didn't really answer any questions put to him as he deflected almost every time, and made Clintons job of allowing him to show how he is not fit to run this country. She just allowed him to stumble over his own words. My wife and I were LoLing at how Clinton just slipped in a jab here and there and you could see Trump shaking as he drank his water. Let the Fact checking begin ...

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one of the best parts and more proof that shows Trump doesn't have a clue on what he is doing was his remarks about how Clinton prepared for the debate (and showed he clearly didn't) and her simple reply was "why yes, yes I did prepare, and I also prepared to be president of the united states." ... *crowd erupts* ... we were like ..... daaaammmmmmnnnnnn

she should have did the drop mic gesture and walked out ...

lol ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqMQDiIiHbk

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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 27, 2016, 02:10
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 27, 2016, 02:10
Sep 27, 2016, 02:10
 Slick
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Sep 27, 2016, 01:48:
Slick wrote on Sep 27, 2016, 00:45:
I thought that Clinton did a great job personally, I was honestly surprised.

All I call back to is her speech at the DNC, which was awful, and so shrill, motherfucking Shrillary amirite?

But tonight she was poised, she was attentive, prepared, composed, and not shrill at all. Just the tone of her voice sounded like she was channeling that calm swagger that Obama has. I've been waiting for her to learn that lesson.

OMG and Trump talking about "the cyber" I almost died. Apparently he doesn't own a computer, or know anything about them, he has a smartphone which he tweets from, and that's about it.

That's ok, he'll put his 10 year old in charge of the cyber. It'll be tremendous. Believe me!

I did like one thing the moderator said. After Trump said he'd release his taxes after Hillary releases her deleted emails, the mod said, "So releasing your taxes is negotiable?"

I want to see more news agencies start nailing him on his bullshit tax claims. Where is his audit letter to prove he's even being audited? So much of his claims about his own success as a businessman, which is his primary argument for why he should be president, are not verifiable without access to his taxes. The press needs to get seriously educated about his "financial disclosure" stuff and what it does and does not show and start a full court press on him on that subject and not let up until he releases them.

I've always contended that his tax records are by far the most important part of the Trump puzzle, and if you unlock them you can defeat him, which is shamelessly and obviously why he's holding them so close to his chest.

You could reach the flyover states with pleas of "you pay your fair share, why shouldn't the billionaire?" Good old-fashioned down to earth folks working an honest day's work and paying their share, Trump think he's above you, and is in fact proud of it, see "It's because I'm smart" comment referring to not paying a dime in federal taxes.

And the fact that there's no audit letter is just icing on the cake. You'd think to withhold something, for a very specific reason, you'd have to at least show that reason, right? Not in Trumpland. If a child was sick from school and says "I have a very good reason, I was sick, my doctor wrote me a note", and you ask to see the note, he can't say: "No you can't see the note".

The flip flops were just all over the place too, I can't recall exactly, I'm sure they'll be picked apart by the diligent parts of the media, but he was basically saying how Hillary was a crook for exploiting and aiding other exploit loopholes etc. And then goes on to brag about all the loopholes he slips through because "he's smart".

Speaking of diligent parts of the media, just caught this on ABC: A fact checker of both candidates, who guess what were caught lying on several occasions.

All in all it was a good night, had lots of fun pausing the broadcast with my wife as we repeatedly face palm and yell at the TV.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 27, 2016, 01:48
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Sep 27, 2016, 01:48
 
Slick wrote on Sep 27, 2016, 00:45:
I thought that Clinton did a great job personally, I was honestly surprised.

All I call back to is her speech at the DNC, which was awful, and so shrill, motherfucking Shrillary amirite?

But tonight she was poised, she was attentive, prepared, composed, and not shrill at all. Just the tone of her voice sounded like she was channeling that calm swagger that Obama has. I've been waiting for her to learn that lesson.

OMG and Trump talking about "the cyber" I almost died. Apparently he doesn't own a computer, or know anything about them, he has a smartphone which he tweets from, and that's about it.

That's ok, he'll put his 10 year old in charge of the cyber. It'll be tremendous. Believe me!

I did like one thing the moderator said. After Trump said he'd release his taxes after Hillary releases her deleted emails, the mod said, "So releasing your taxes is negotiable?"

I want to see more news agencies start nailing him on his bullshit tax claims. Where is his audit letter to prove he's even being audited? So much of his claims about his own success as a businessman, which is his primary argument for why he should be president, are not verifiable without access to his taxes. The press needs to get seriously educated about his "financial disclosure" stuff and what it does and does not show and start a full court press on him on that subject and not let up until he releases them.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 27, 2016, 00:45
Slick
 
Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 27, 2016, 00:45
Sep 27, 2016, 00:45
 Slick
 
I thought that Clinton did a great job personally, I was honestly surprised.

All I call back to is her speech at the DNC, which was awful, and so shrill, motherfucking Shrillary amirite?

But tonight she was poised, she was attentive, prepared, composed, and not shrill at all. Just the tone of her voice sounded like she was channeling that calm swagger that Obama has. I've been waiting for her to learn that lesson.

OMG and Trump talking about "the cyber" I almost died. Apparently he doesn't own a computer, or know anything about them, he has a smartphone which he tweets from, and that's about it.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 26, 2016, 23:04
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube... Sep 26, 2016, 23:04
Sep 26, 2016, 23:04
 Quboid
 
Initial reaction is that the candidate I like absolutely slaughtered the candidate you like but of course you'll refuse to admit it.

Actual reaction: Trump either doesn't know or doesn't care that the internet never forgets. His tax comment could hurt him and he looked ridiculous about the birther stuff. Clinton was boring, which is probably best for her. She managed to not pass out or have a seizure or whatever. Verdict: nothing will change.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 26, 2016, 22:10
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Sep 26, 2016, 22:10
 
Wow... Lester totally let him get away with that bullshit answer about why he kept up the birther claims for years after the birth certificate was produced.

Hillary isn't being terribly effective at countering it either.

And holy shit... is he actually attacking her for attacks on a political opponent and then being cool with them after? Him?!
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 22:02
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 22:02
Sep 26, 2016, 22:02
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Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 21:54:
I'm following the BBC live blog, they're doing fact checking too.

Excellent! Shame everyones not doing it...

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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:54
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:54
Sep 26, 2016, 21:54
 Quboid
 
I'm following the BBC live blog, they're doing fact checking too.
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:52
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:52
Sep 26, 2016, 21:52
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Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 21:27:
Clinton calls out Trump for saying that "climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese".

Trump fires back, "I did not, I do not say that.”

Here's a 2012 tweet where he does in fact say that.
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."


I heard bloomberg was supposed to be fact checking in real time, but they were the only ones to commit...

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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 26, 2016, 21:48
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Sep 26, 2016, 21:48
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Did he admit to not paying any federal tax? Clinton claimed this and he said "that makes me smart".

"Bad people shouldn't have guns"
He is really aiming for the idiot vote, even talking to them like they're 5.
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 26, 2016, 21:41
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Sep 26, 2016, 21:41
 
Yawn. Still won't release his taxes. The reason he gets audited every year is because of all of the bullshit illegal stuff he does with his foundation I would think.

Oh boy, here we go... she said he's not as rich as he says he is...
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Re: I watched more DOOM videos (not all of them [TL;DW]), with a guy's commentaries, from YouTube...
Sep 26, 2016, 21:33
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Sep 26, 2016, 21:33
 
Trump hasn't said anything with any substance about any policies of his so far I don't think.

I kinda wish Hillary would stop smiling so much, but I can't really blame her either, as everything he says is making me laugh at the absurdity.

Edit: Who exactly is he saying is leaving the country?
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:27
Quboid
 
Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:27
Sep 26, 2016, 21:27
 Quboid
 
Clinton calls out Trump for saying that "climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese".

Trump fires back, "I did not, I do not say that.”

Here's a 2012 tweet where he does in fact say that.
"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:19
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:19
Sep 26, 2016, 21:19
 Slick
 
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:09
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:09
Sep 26, 2016, 21:09
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AAAAAnd trump goes IMMEDIATELY negative, quelle surprize.
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 21:05
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 21:05
Sep 26, 2016, 21:05
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it's beginning!!!

2x 2 minute responses to the questions, then a 10 minute period where they "talk at each other", oh jesus.
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated]
Sep 26, 2016, 20:47
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 20:47
Sep 26, 2016, 20:47
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Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:18:
Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:09:
Free speech and tolerance are two different things. You brought up free speech. Porn and I said tolerance, which is a liberal byword.

Free speech is the issue at hand. You brought up something irrelevant.

I don't think it's irrelevant, in or out this thread. I think free speech is a non-issue, since as people have pointed out, everything is free speech. There's nothing to argue about there.

But when people throughout the thread have been talking about the hypocrisy of the left, it's been about the tolerance issue. If someone supports an opinion that you don't believe in, are you able to say, that's his right, and move on? Do we want employers to employ litmus tests before hiring to make sure new hires believe the right things and wear the right hats before they're allowed to work there?

Slick and the Infinitely Prolonged can use free speech as a defense, but what's the virtue in going after Oculus? You can argue he's a public face, but I think the thing about "public faces" is that basically anyone can become a public face once the Internet bites down. Yesterday it was Mozilla's CEO. Today's it's a cofounder with extremely vague responsibilities. A few months ago it was some PR employee at Nintendo. Anyone can come under the Internet's scrutiny, which makes them all public faces.

And anyway, that whole argument is kind of saying that you'll use the power of the mob responsibly, only when it's really warranted. Free speech means you have the right to act this way, but it doesn't explain why. The underlying question is, what's good about basing your opinion of a company or its products on the things its employees do? Liberals recognize that as a lousy way to judge a religion or a country, isn't this a similar issue?

Back when this was Luckey's Kickstarter, or before Oculus was bought by Facebook, I could see this as a pragmatic issue. If you donate to his Kickstarter, it might succeed and then he might get rich and donate a tiny percentage of his wealth to Trump. But that ship has sailed.

OK, I think I see what you mean regarding tolerance and why it is relevant. But what you describe ("that's his right, and move on") isn't tolerance, it's more like apathy. I can't be tolerant and inclusive if I see racism and "move on". If I tolerate Muslims and Islamophobes, tolerate LGBT people and homophobes, tolerate black people and the KKK ... well then I just don't stand for anything.

A public face is someone who tries to be public and is supposed to be publicly associated with the company. Random employees happen to work at a company; public faces represent the company.

Also, there is no mob.

I don't intend to avoid Oculus products BTW, I think it's childish and pointless. But I tolerate people's right to.
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Sep 26, 2016, 20:33
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Just you watch guys, these elections are going to be so rigged, the Hillary supporters are all just a victim to mob mentality, and they're going to lie and cheat and steal like they always do.

It's not just that a majority of adults with working brains have the same string of expletives cross their mind when they watch Trump speak, it's just an unruly mob! they're all just sheep.

MOVING ON!

Don't you think it's odd that a candidate is saying how an upcoming election will be rigged, and won't be fair, MONTHS ahead of the election!?

By this logic, Trump is projecting that he thinks he isn't going to win.

Or, he will win, and then what? Step down because the election was rigged?

It's the same way that the militant media arm of the GOP, Fox News, pushes these bogus stories pushing their narrative until the mainstream media picks up on it, and then it's a "real story". And if the Mainstream media DOESN'T run with the story, it's just because of the "giant left-wing liberal elite media conspiracy".

They win either way... well, when intelligent people can't think for themselves.
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Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Slick and the Infinitely Prolonged can use free speech as a defense, but what's the virtue in going after Oculus? You can argue he's a public face, but I think the thing about "public faces" is that basically anyone can become a public face once the Internet bites down. Yesterday it was Mozilla's CEO. Today's it's a cofounder with extremely vague responsibilities. A few months ago it was some PR employee at Nintendo. Anyone can come under the Internet's scrutiny, which makes them all public faces.

You say "anyone" can become a public face for a company, but then go on to give examples of CEOs and Public Relations people who are pretty much always public faces. I don't think you're making a point there. If it was some random Walmart employee giving money to a group like this, do you think people would boycott Walmart? Pretty sure it wouldn't be a thing.

Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
And anyway, that whole argument is kind of saying that you'll use the power of the mob responsibly, only when it's really warranted.
You haven't explained what makes it a mob rather than just a bunch of people who don't like what the guy did and don't want to support him by supporting his company. Where exactly is the line between free speech and mob?

Orogogus wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:49:
Free speech means you have the right to act this way, but it doesn't explain why. The underlying question is, what's good about basing your opinion of a company or its products on the things its employees do? Liberals recognize that as a lousy way to judge a religion or a country, isn't this a similar issue?
I think this has already been explained. Why would I want to support the company that enriches him and enables him to give money to these racist groups? There aren't a lot of dots to connect here.

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Sep 26, 2016, 20:17
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Re: Oculus Facing Political Backlash [Updated] Sep 26, 2016, 20:17
Sep 26, 2016, 20:17
 Slick
 
Quboid wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:24:
Slick wrote on Sep 26, 2016, 19:19:
As if he's just a lowly programmer working in the bowels of a machine that isn't HIS COMPANY. Give me a break, you can't be that ignorant.

If Ronald McDonald started farting in every 3rd quarter-pounder, then I'd probably not eat at McDonalds. That's my right, my freedom.

It's Facebook's company, but he is a public face of it. If Ronald McDonald starting farting in burgers then his actions would directly affect you as a customer, that's not comparable.

Yeah, my Ronald McDonald argument was bullshit hyperbole, it was self-conscious. More a reflection of how worn down I'm getting with this thread.

But I do still think that Oculus is Luckey's company. Just because you sell out to a mega corporate umbrella doesn't mean it's not still "your" company in some sense of the word. He's still in a position of immense power within Oculus. If I sold my company to google, but stayed on to run the operations, I'd absolutely still consider it my company, my baby, even if I don't get to all ALL the shots anymore, but have the security of a large pile of money to bankroll operations.

It's more like a marriage, you don't give up ownership of your life, you just share it with someone else.

Again, total semantics, just in my head it's still Luckey's Oculus, he developed it from scratch, got his face out there, made the rounds, built the hype, developed the product. That's not Facebook's product, it's Oculus's product, it's Luckey's product. Facebook just bought it.

It's facebook's fault for not vetting their recent hires i guess? I mean if Sir Richard Branson was being friendly with David Duke of the KKK, then I wouldn't fly Virgin Airlines. It's not a difficult decision. I'm not doing it to punish all the Virgin employees. I'm not doing it to punish anything! It's none of my business! I just have my own moral compass, and don't want to support someone who supports a racist. My right. so Fuck off.

This new ultra-sensitive fringe of the left is truly frightening TBH. I mean we're actually debating as to why it's unfair to "punish" Facebook by deciding NOT to buy something, because the guy who founded the product in question is giving monitary contributions to a racist cause.

So liberal that you can't even be against racism eh?

So liberal that the ultra-mega-corps need to be "defended" from the fucking pint-size peon consumer making a rational choice about how and what to consume. BOO HOO, poor fucking facebook.

/mic drop

34 minutes till kickoff!

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