Out of the Blue

I've seen a few sad reminders lately that today is the anniversary of Paul Steed's passing. The former id artist died four years ago today, and in many ways the shock from that persists. Paul would like the attention, but not the mourning. I imagine he would far prefer the takeaway from this to be to appreciate life and friends as best you can. At least that's how I try to view it. I try to use thoughts like that as a reminder to be better about keeping in touch with people.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 11, 2016, 18:26
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Aug 11, 2016, 18:26
 
The NFL salary "cap" is actually set by the TV shares. This means that every penny an NFL team pays out in salary is 100% subsidized by the league's TV contract. This means that if your team cries poor when it comes to signing free agents, they are full of shit.

Far as I know it's the only sport that operates that way.
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Aug 11, 2016, 18:19
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Aug 11, 2016, 18:19
 
You are correct, sir. TV does lead revenue but not by much - 2.2 billion per year vs. 1.5 billion in merchandise, at least that's the best breakdown I could find and I don't know how reliable it is.

Also I did not know that US major sports leagues - the NFL at any rate - centrally control and share the digital and retail product profits equally.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Aug 11, 2016, 16:32
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Aug 11, 2016, 16:32
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 11, 2016, 14:47:
A football/hockey/basketball player should make scads more money than the assholes in hobbies like baseball and golf do.

Wuh? You can get on a court and shoot a basketball today. Similarly, if you have some hand-eye coordination, you can play something that marginally looks like hockey. Against pros you'll look ridiculous, but you at least have something of a chance to sink a jumper.

You get on a field against a double A pitcher, and you will have basically 0% chance to hit him. That chance probably goes down to -10000% when you go up against a top level MLB pitcher. Yet that's a hobby? O...kay.

Players get paid according to the popularity of their sport, and according to how much money it brings in. That's why NBA salaries jumped massively this offseason, because they got shit tons of new cap space because of their massive new TV deal.

Point in fact that's where most of the money comes from, merchandising.

No. Television deals are the largest contributors, followed by attendance/concessions. Merchandising is a small part of the pie.

And pro athletes do have pensions. If they go broke, that's their own fault. Stop buying mansions and $250,000+ cars and jewellery. Take some personal responsibility and do some financial planning.

Edit, looked this up, and they do indeed get pensions, so yeah, I do agree that any athlete who goes broke is just a moron. Though many of them go broke from horrible medical bills, and the NBA players association just voted to give retired players medical benefits, which was awesome of them.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 11, 2016, 15:55
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Aug 11, 2016, 15:55
 
A football/hockey/basketball player should make scads more money than the assholes in hobbies like baseball and golf do.

LOL Rolleyes

A football player is the least skilled athlete of any major sport. Let's stop pretending like what they do warrants any more money than other "actually skilled" athletes.

Football is simply the lowest grade of sporting entertainment possible. 16 minutes of "game" in a 3 hour broadcast, and 50 athletes that can't do much more than run into each other at full speed. Only in America could such a shit sport be invented :p
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 11, 2016, 15:28
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Aug 11, 2016, 15:28
 
Hey Cutter, don't forget about the multibullion dollar TV contracts.

As for pensions, a lot of these guys are too young and undisciplined to know how to save for the future. And many make the bottom-run salary which is about $300K, which sounds like a lot, but if you get injured there goes your livelihood, and then what will you do? I'm just saying given the sickening amounts of cash in pro sports, having something in place to help these people later in life isn't a bad thing.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Aug 11, 2016, 14:47
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jdreyer wrote on Aug 11, 2016, 13:49:
On the one hand, athlete salaries can be completely outrageous. On the other hand, if the athletes don't take it, the owners will which is worse. On the third hand, lower-tier athletes get paid orders of magnitude less for essentially doing the same amount of work as the top athletes. Kind of wish prof sports would implement some kind of basic pension system. I read too many "broke former athlete" stories, and many of them suffer from conditions caused by their participation.

I love football but not to the point I'm ready to fork over money for "official" merchandise. Why in the blue blazes would I pay $200 for an "official NFL licensed" Aaron Rodgers jersey that cost $5 or less to make in some third world sweatshop? Yet people do it droves. Point in fact that's where most of the money comes from, merchandising. That's the fault of idiotic fans. And all pro athletes are overpaid IMO. It's just some of them actually have to really work to earn those dollars in high risk environments like football vs. baseball/golf. A football/hockey/basketball player should make scads more money than the assholes in hobbies like baseball and golf do.

And pro athletes do have pensions. If they go broke, that's their own fault. Stop buying mansions and $250,000+ cars and jewellery. Take some personal responsibility and do some financial planning.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Aug 11, 2016, 13:49
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Aug 11, 2016, 13:49
 
On the one hand, athlete salaries can be completely outrageous. On the other hand, if the athletes don't take it, the owners will which is worse. On the third hand, lower-tier athletes get paid orders of magnitude less for essentially doing the same amount of work as the top athletes. Kind of wish prof sports would implement some kind of basic pension system. I read too many "broke former athlete" stories, and many of them suffer from conditions caused by their participation.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Aug 11, 2016, 13:17
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Tipsy McStagger wrote on Aug 11, 2016, 12:42:
"The Worst Driving Habits with Each Type Of Transmission"

Honestly, these are exactly what my dad taught me at 14 years old learning to drive.

Also, after driving manual cars for almost 10 years after that. I decided that I really don't want to drive one again. Manuals + City Traffic = horribly tedious.

My car has what I call a manumatic mode, basically it's an auto, but you have the option of going into a clutch-less manual shifting mode. I think it would be fun to use, but since I'm always in the city I don't want to fuss with it.

And this isn't really what the article was getting at but one of my all time hated things are people who continuously inch forward at a red-light, seemingly no matter how close they already are to another vehicle. My friend does this and it makes me nervous as hell. Your license plates don't need to kiss, keep your foot on the fucking brake.
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Aug 11, 2016, 12:49
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I can understand why people don't like baseball -- it's primarily built around tension and anticipation, rather than motion and continual action -- but calling it "not a sport" is a stretch. What pitchers and batters do are feats of physicality no different from the field events of track and field, and the agility, speed, and coordination displayed by fielders is often spectacular, and when it's not spectacular it's merely because players are very good at making the very difficult look very easy.
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Aug 11, 2016, 12:42
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"The Worst Driving Habits with Each Type Of Transmission"

Honestly, these are exactly what my dad taught me at 14 years old learning to drive.

Also, after driving manual cars for almost 10 years after that. I decided that I really don't want to drive one again. Manuals + City Traffic = horribly tedious.
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Aug 11, 2016, 12:35
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Aug 11, 2016, 12:35
 
R.I.P., Paul Steed! I fully agree about the keeping in touch. I still remember him posting that he was going to delete his Facebook account (shortly before) and not knowing how to even respond to that. Of course, other people leave Facebook and are still around. I never expected to lose him. Bigcry
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Aug 11, 2016, 12:16
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Re: How It's Made - Aquarium Goldfish.

That "How It's Made" came as close to showing a third world sweat shop operation as I have seen. Come to think of it, maybe they should do a "How It's Made - In The Third World".
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Aug 11, 2016, 11:57
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Aug 11, 2016, 11:57
 
My hobby is cooler than your hobby! /rabble

Football is certainly "made for TV" entertainment, but far less athletically impressive than basically any other sport. Trying to dismissively call baseball a "hobby' only means you probably suck at it :p Football doesn't respect my time as a viewer in any way.

Doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to football (J-E-T-S locked and loaded), but playing one off the other as a 'fake sport' is just silly.

Yankees lucked out really, they could have owed nearly another $100mil in incentives had A-Rod hit more HR's. I'm excited for him to stick around as a ST instructor for the new infielders, he has always taught other players naturally and good on the Yankees to recognize and take advantage of it.

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Aug 11, 2016, 11:30
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Aug 11, 2016, 11:30
 
$317 million dollars for a "sport" that's really just a hobby. Just one of the many reasons I hate baseball. At least pre-season starts tonight for the only real sport that matters. And of course, none of the games are on here because of the fucking Olympics.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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