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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 16:09 |
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Blue wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 12:29:
descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 11:31:
I am not the one that started this conversation and don't appreciate the blame. My posts were completely benign and while I have questioned why you use those links in the past it isn't my fault if other people also continue to question it.
I'm not blaming you for anything. I just answered your questions, and noted I had done so before, as had others in this thread. I'm not angry, and I'm not trying to anger you. The only point was I felt had addressed this already.
I thought we were here to have discussions... like the merits of using a curating service that like 20 people vote on... but that is your choice and I am free to wonder aloud why someone would do so.
Are we not discussing this now? The question of the merits of trusting the curation of such a small audience still seems open. But I hope my expanded explanation of why I currently do so will satisfy that other curiosity.
Although I feel bad you came out to defend/explain yourself, I always appreciate when you post. I appreciate the engagement, and it reminds me that this site is the work of a person, not a faceless corporation. |
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Me: Waiting for the inevitable parody, Battleporn.
Drayth: Just don't Overwatch too much. |
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Re: Into the Black |
Aug 4, 2016, 15:56 |
jdreyer |
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RedEye9 wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 10:50:
In the history of bluenews, Blue had never used the ignore button until today.
I'm sure Space Captain/Harlock sorely tempted him.  |
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Me: Waiting for the inevitable parody, Battleporn.
Drayth: Just don't Overwatch too much. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 15:47 |
jdreyer |
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descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 08:53:
Top Sifters of the Week
1. Mordhaus 479 votes
2. oritteropo 177 votes
3. ant 169 votes
There is only one reason we get video-sifted to death, and his name is Ant. :p So it seems pretty disingenuous to say that anyone is actually finding anything on videosift and they deserve to be supported "for the convenience". He posts youtube links TO videosift and then sends Blue the videosift link.
I don't really get the purpose of using videosift in the first place. Youtube already sorts and categorizes popular videos the same way that videosift does, except youtube doesn't drag up old videos from the grave and has a considerably larger audience voting on them.
It seems very hipsterish to me.
Although he's never said it, I think this is partly how Ant makes his living. And anything that I can do to help Ant, I will do. He's one of the good guys. |
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Me: Waiting for the inevitable parody, Battleporn.
Drayth: Just don't Overwatch too much. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 13:47 |
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nin wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 08:44:
NetHead wrote on Aug 3, 2016, 21:58:
Curious why videos are often linked to the videosift.com website since they're always just Youtube videos?
This was covered months ago.
Yup, I despise Videosift, which offers no value to me and needlessly complicates the screen with additional videos and elements of constantly shifting sizes, but I'd asked Blue about it and his explanation for why he links there and his explanation is reasonable and honestly makes more sense than otherwise, given how he runs his site. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 13:19 |
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| VS used to regularly have videos with 100+ votes. Either the quality of submitted videos has dropped sharply or there aren't as many people voting... |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 12:29 |
Blue |
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descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 11:31:
I am not the one that started this conversation and don't appreciate the blame. My posts were completely benign and while I have questioned why you use those links in the past it isn't my fault if other people also continue to question it.
I'm not blaming you for anything. I just answered your questions, and noted I had done so before, as had others in this thread. I'm not angry, and I'm not trying to anger you. The only point was I felt had addressed this already.
I thought we were here to have discussions... like the merits of using a curating service that like 20 people vote on... but that is your choice and I am free to wonder aloud why someone would do so.
Are we not discussing this now? The question of the merits of trusting the curation of such a small audience still seems open. But I hope my expanded explanation of why I currently do so will satisfy that other curiosity. |
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Stephen "Blue" Heaslip
Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 11:31 |
descender |
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I am not the one that started this conversation and don't appreciate the blame. My posts were completely benign and while I have questioned why you use those links in the past it isn't my fault if other people also continue to question it.
I thought we were here to have discussions... like the merits of using a curating service that like 20 people vote on... but that is your choice and I am free to wonder aloud why someone would do so. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 11:18 |
Blue |
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descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 10:34:
If you actually use it to find stuff that's great, I just don't understand why :p
I and others have answered that question many times in the past, including in this thread. Let's have at it again, for the last time please?
That's exactly the site's use, to find videos. By curating the submissions via a voting system it highlights worthwhile clips. There are other sources for this type of service, but Ant's participation helped VideoSift become a fixture here. We could just pick from YouTube highlights, but those are all the most popular clips in the world. We have many of those already, so a smaller audience sometimes also helps find others.
If you don't want to or need to use such a service yourself, that's fine. Saying "I don't understand why" anyone would use it after getting it explained every time the topic comes up is starting to seem weird.
The solution to the VideoSift "problem" would be to submit alternative videos. Asking why over and over again just makes me worry that I need to further clarify something (so here I am).
And to follow the joking reference to monetization, we get the same generous compensation from everyone. VideoSift, YouTube, and all the sites linked in all the stories here pay a flat zero dollars per mention. Any site that doesn't submit a payment of nothing at the end of each month gets cut off immediately. The exception to this is our Amazon affiliation, our only commission program. This pays actual money on purchases there after you follow the Amazon link from here.
Does that settle this? |
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Stephen "Blue" Heaslip
Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life |
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Re: Into the Black |
Aug 4, 2016, 10:54 |
descender |
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Are you going to follow me around and provide color commentary for all of my discussions now? Flattered, but unnecessary.
edit back on topic: /r/videos drives every bit of content that appears on an aggregation site like videosift. |
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Re: Into the Black |
Aug 4, 2016, 10:50 |
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| In the history of bluenews, Blue had never used the ignore button until today. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 10:34 |
descender |
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Blue... did you not read the sentence literally right before the one you quoted?
I'm not saying that Ant (or anyone else) should stop submitting them, just saying that the claims below that the site is doing something useful and deserves the click-through traffic are unwarranted.
I'm only talking about why videosift as a "service" is pointless and questioning why anyone uses it at all. I don't care who sent you this link or if you found it yourself, and I'm not blaming you for anything. If you actually use it to find stuff that's great, I just don't understand why :p |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 10:13 |
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descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 09:38:
It is unlikely that the "video" was actually found on Videosift in the first place.
Really? So we've gone from suggestions that I post the YouTube link and just give a thank you to VideoSift to the accusation that I notice the videos on YouTube and then search for a VideoSift link to post?
This rabbit hole has gotten really strange. |
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Stephen "Blue" Heaslip
Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 09:38 |
descender |
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The "trending" tab on Youtube doesn't actually have anything to do with your filterbubble (you were probably thinking of the "recommended" section), but I get your point.
Videosift isn't really "sifting" and then spitting out good videos that people are then finding and linking to. It has far too small of a user-base for that. With so little foottraffic to videosift the reddit style up/down voting of videos doesn't really work... Unless I'm really reading things wrong, less than a dozen people vote on most videosift submissions... so only the submitters control what is "popular" on videosift through their own link-sharing.
I'm not saying that Ant (or anyone else) should stop submitting them, just saying that the claims below that the site is doing something useful and deserves the click-through traffic are unwarranted. It is unlikely that the "video" was actually found on Videosift in the first place. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 09:23 |
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eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 09:14:
descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 08:53:
Youtube already sorts and categorizes popular videos the same way that videosift does
It doesn't though  What you see in popular/recommended is your own personal filter bubble on youtube. Videosift isn't a filter bubble, it's an aggregation of video links the same way bluesnews is an aggregation of news links. And videosift does not just link to youtube.
By the way, nothing is stopping you from submitting links.... just saying
You forgot to add mike drop, boom. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 09:14 |
eRe4s3r |
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descender wrote on Aug 4, 2016, 08:53:
Youtube already sorts and categorizes popular videos the same way that videosift does
It doesn't though What you see in popular/recommended is your own personal filter bubble on youtube. Videosift isn't a filter bubble, it's an aggregation of video links the same way bluesnews is an aggregation of news links. And videosift does not just link to youtube.
By the way, nothing is stopping you from submitting links.... just saying
This comment was edited on Aug 4, 2016, 09:21. |
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Re: Into the Black |
Aug 4, 2016, 09:14 |
RedEye9 |
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Thank ant, excuse the whiners.
And try to get 2nd place, come on man, UP YOUR GAME. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 08:53 |
descender |
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Top Sifters of the Week
1. Mordhaus 479 votes
2. oritteropo 177 votes
3. ant 169 votes
There is only one reason we get video-sifted to death, and his name is Ant. :p So it seems pretty disingenuous to say that anyone is actually finding anything on videosift and they deserve to be supported "for the convenience". He posts youtube links TO videosift and then sends Blue the videosift link.
I don't really get the purpose of using videosift in the first place. Youtube already sorts and categorizes popular videos the same way that videosift does, except youtube doesn't drag up old videos from the grave and has a considerably larger audience voting on them.
It seems very hipsterish to me.
This comment was edited on Aug 4, 2016, 09:05. |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 08:44 |
nin |
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NetHead wrote on Aug 3, 2016, 21:58:
Curious why videos are often linked to the videosift.com website since they're always just Youtube videos?
This was covered months ago.
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Re: Into the Black |
Aug 4, 2016, 08:31 |
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| Blue, on average, makes 48 cents per youtube click. But with ViDeOsIfT, each click brings in one One billion gagillion fafillion shabadabalo shabadamillion shabaling shabalomillion yen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngKT3MIfwpo |
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Re: Please stop using Videosift. |
Aug 4, 2016, 08:25 |
eRe4s3r |
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The links are sent you blues by people who use videosift to, you guessed it, find those videos in the first place. And unlike a youtube or your nsfwyoutube link, videosift is a dynamic link, meaning if the video is dead, the videosift link will always lead to the working version of that video, assuming someone on that site declared it non-working and had a replacement link added
So videosift is not useless Though if you are ip blocked to you it definitely is |
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