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44. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 11, 2016, 06:28 jdreyer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 22:06:
Not quite sure I follow the analogy, so corporate America doesn't care if Microsoft spies on then as long as they have a working OS? Win 7 already works without the spying, right?
I would say the general public doesn't care less for the most part, if they get a slick and working OS that let's them watch YouTube,
Netflix, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, and porn.

Corporate America gets locked down versions of Windows they are much more in control of.
 
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43. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 11, 2016, 05:48 Redmask
 
christheshitter wrote on Jul 11, 2016, 03:27:
F*ck Windows 10. Most older games refuse to work with Windows 10 but works reasonable with Windows 7. I won't upgrading my second system to the shit turd that is Windows 10. Better to use one disk for each system instead so i can have the advantage of both.

There are many reasons to dislike Windows 10 but this is pure bullshit. Pretty much every game that runs on Windows 7 will run on Windows 10, compatibility was improved if anything.
 
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42. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 11, 2016, 03:27 christheshitter
 
F*ck Windows 10. Most older games refuse to work with Windows 10 but works reasonable with Windows 7. I won't upgrading my second system to the shit turd that is Windows 10. Better to use one disk for each system instead so i can have the advantage of both.  
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41. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 23:43 shiho
 
Win10 LTSB sounds interesting, but it still has the spyware active, looks like.  
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40. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 23:33 wtf_man
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 22:06:
Not quite sure I follow the analogy, so corporate America doesn't care if Microsoft spies on then as long as they have a working OS? Win 7 already works without the spying, right?

That's why the Chinese government got a "special version" of Windows 10.

Enterprise LTSB is the only version that has most of the crap turned off by default (Still have to do work to create an image to get the rest of it turned off)

I'm still in total shock Microsoft put Candy Crush on the 1511 Build of the Enterprise version. They HAVE to be smoking crack over there.

That said.. while we haven't deployed Windows 10... a locked Down Enterprise LTSB version is the only version we will consider at work.

At home... I just plain don't run it.
Windows 7 + Aegis is much easier to keep the data mining out.
 
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39. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 22:06 Mr. Tact
 
Not quite sure I follow the analogy, so corporate America doesn't care if Microsoft spies on then as long as they have a working OS? Win 7 already works without the spying, right?  
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38. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 22:03 jdreyer
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 10:19:
Actually, thinking about it a bit more I'm surprised corporate America hasn't pitched a fit about this information tracking...
A junky doesn't give a shit if you cut his coke with borax as long as he can still get high.
 
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37. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 11:44 HorrorScope
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 22:11:
First, pointing to the router and saying block it there is not addressing the problem. That's treating the symptoms and not the disease. Second, even if people have routers which allow doing this (which some won't), most won't know how to do it. Third, as shihonage explained even if you have the capacity and the know how, it isn't an easy problem to solve at the router. Fourth, finally and most importantly, why should I have to do this?


I get your point and overall agree, but that is what we advanced pc users do. We know these things, how to do these things and do these things. But yeah still sucks, I have 4 systems this month to upgrade unless I hear of an extension of the free-period. And as mentioned will be going in with cloned backups in case of issues upgrading which I doubt, but more importantly if I want to go back to 7 someday. If it gets "as bad" as some are mentioning here.

This comment was edited on Jul 10, 2016, 13:45.
 
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36. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 11:43 wtf_man
 
Simon Says wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 21:04:
*Points to your router* You know... this thing which isn't subservient to your computer OS and can, OMG, BLOCK whatever it wants no matter what your OS does? Please... stop with the fearmongering. I had numerous problems with win 10, but none to do with its supposedly Orwellian tendencies. Those can be dealt with very easily, it just takes time and a bit of effort.

It's a lot more phoning home than you think, and it's a lot more effort than you think.

MS TechNet: Manage connections from Windows operating system components to Microsoft services

No privacy tool nor amount of firewall blocking covers everything... and there will be future IP addresses to block. You really want to play that cat and mouse game?

Or just run an OS that doesn't do that crap?
 
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35. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 11:02 CJ_Parker
 
Bub wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 07:28:
After the wholesale data spying, my biggest concern with Win10 is the exclusion of a native media player, recorder, etc.

My guess is they have something waiting in the wings that is way more locked down and phones home if you ever try to copy any digital media.

They won't introduce it until they have conned Win10 pnto enough machines, as to do so now with such limitations would further stop Win10 adoption.

Not only that but Win10 can decide that any other digital media software you try to install is "not compatible" and refuse to install it, or refuse to let it work if installed.

Yep. All of this will happen over the coming years, not just limited to media apps. I give it three years and then MS will require every app to either be a UWP app or GTFO. Glorious times lie ahead of us!
 
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34. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 10:31 RedEye9
 
WaltC wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 18:22:
(220 + games and applications installed on my Win10 system at home) Win10 is free, for life--there's just nothing to think about--if you wait it's gonna' cost you when you change.
Steam has 6000+ games and counting, glad it works for your 220.

Free for life, boy does that sound like something that is too good to be true. Like my grandma used to say, "If there's no strings attached, there's chains"

Free don't mean what it used to.
 
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33. Re: LGR - Building a 486 DOS PC Jul 10, 2016, 10:21 RedEye9
 
Genesys wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 18:22:

My list of required tools to make 10 useable so far are: Classic Shell, 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, WinAero Tweaker, and glass8. WinAero is one I just recently discovered, and lets you fix a lot of the win10 UI mistakes like the huuuge title bars, the missing window borders, and the lack of a full color palette when choosing UI colors.


Thanks so much for this info. The Windows 10 ui looks like it was designed by a 3 yo using paint.
Your recommendations can help quell the ugly.
 
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32. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 10:19 Mr. Tact
 
Actually, thinking about it a bit more I'm surprised corporate America hasn't pitched a fit about this information tracking...  
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31. Re: LGR - Building a 486 DOS PC Jul 10, 2016, 10:11 RedEye9
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 21:08:
For people whom are concerned about stability after upgrading:

Just use Clonezilla, it's free, to do a full disk image of your boot drive to an external or NAS. Then do the upgrade. If it's fucked, just reimage the disk with the backup you made.

Easy as Hell.
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Easy peasey, reliable, and just plain works.
 
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30. Re: LGR - Building a 486 DOS PC Jul 10, 2016, 09:45 {PH}88fingers
 
DG wrote on Jul 9, 2016, 17:28:
Hmm, so I guess I have to decide whether to bother switching from 7 to 10 sometime in the coming week, as afterwards I will not have time to do it before the free upgrade window ends.

Is there really much point to it, other than extending support + DX12?

Also, any ideas how well the upgrade path is working? I've been a clean-install type of guy for a long time but that'd be a huge hassle now.

I am also a clean install guy, have done it 100% of the time. This was the 1st time I did the upgrade win7 -> win10.

I've had zero problems. all my programs/games work as before.
I have no doubts windows would probably load a little faster and progs maybe too if I had done the clean install, but to be honest the lazyness was worth it imo in this instance, this i7-2600k with 16gb that i've had for so many years is still a dream ever since i put in an ssd 3+ years ago.
 
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29. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 07:28 Bub
 
After the wholesale data spying, my biggest concern with Win10 is the exclusion of a native media player, recorder, etc.

My guess is they have something waiting in the wings that is way more locked down and phones home if you ever try to copy any digital media.

They won't introduce it until they have conned Win10 pnto enough machines, as to do so now with such limitations would further stop Win10 adoption.

Not only that but Win10 can decide that any other digital media software you try to install is "not compatible" and refuse to install it, or refuse to let it work if installed.
 
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28. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 05:36 Qbex .
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 01:11:
Qbex . wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 00:56:
IRQ settings for SB cards

So... were you an I5 or I7 guy? Wink

I7 for life
 
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27. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 04:26 Tachikoma
 
Win 8.1 rules supreme - sentence I would`ve never thought of typing a year ago. I`m sure it will last me quite a few years still, and then will jump to some Linux thingy.

I will never "upgrade" to OS-as-a service BS model (ie: MS living in my PC), and if I really need it for TES 7 or whatever then the install will be only for games and firewalled to hell and back.
 
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26. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 02:52 shiho
 
My "DEHACKED for dummies" utility for DOS version of Doom2, circa 1996, is still archived out there on the Intertubes.  
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25. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 10, 2016, 01:11 CJ_Parker
 
Qbex . wrote on Jul 10, 2016, 00:56:
IRQ settings for SB cards

So... were you an I5 or I7 guy? Wink
 
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