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56. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 13, 2016, 19:58 Mr. Tact
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 12:03:
The short answer is no one knows, and that it would probably have complex and far reaching effects, some good and probably mostly bad...
Thank you for a well written, reasonable response -- they are so rare in this subject...
 



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55. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 14:48 Beamer
 
I always find it weird when people call the moderation of a private website, moderation done to keep it civil and loosely on topic, "censorship."  



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54. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 14:41 Kxmode
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:21:
Yeah, you just keep mollycoddling the Muslims and see where that gets you. And all Blue's censorship in the world won't change that. You guys just keep rationalizing away as the bodies pile up and the blood spills on the street. Not every muslim is a terrorist but they are extremists. Apostasy? Death. Homosexuality? Death. Women rights? Death. Give your fucking heads a shake.

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53. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 14:07 Verno
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:21:
Yeah, you just keep mollycoddling the Muslims and see where that gets you. And all Blue's censorship in the world won't change that. You guys just keep rationalizing away as the bodies pile up and the blood spills on the street. Not every muslim is a terrorist but they are extremists. Apostasy? Death. Homosexuality? Death. Women rights? Death. Give your fucking heads a shake.

You really have no idea how good you have it on this website. Blue is incredibly tolerant, in fact its often frustrating how hard it is to get rid of trolls such as yourself despite a long running history of negative behavior. It can take months of time and reports only to have the turd re-register and restart the process, its part of the reason I'm reading and posting less here. You will not find another community like this that will let you get away with the kind of crap you do here on a regular basis. Pretty much every other community has either introduced community voting features so posts like yours disappear quickly, have nuked comments altogether due to toxic behabvior or have a zero tolerance policy. You know this already from your bans on other sites like Ars, Slashdot, Shacknews and so on.

You should be cheering Blue on because quite frankly you aren't welcome anywhere else. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
 
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52. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 13, 2016, 14:03 jdreyer
 
If America immediately and rapidly pulled back from being the world police, there would be a massive realignment in the world power structure. Certain things good and bad we can be fairly certain of. A sampling:

1. China would more strongly assert its hegemony in the South China Sea, including ignoring the exclusive economic zones of countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, and Indonesia. They've already been pretty aggressive, but without the US around they'd have absolutely no boundaries.

2. Piracy would dramatically increase in critical waterways such as the Malacca straights and the coast of east Africa, as well as likely spring up in new areas. The vast US Navy patrols these waterways constantly and coordinates with the friendly navies nearby. No one but the US has this capacity.

3. As the US pulled back other countries might be emboldened to settle old grievances in the power vacuum. North Korea might try and invade the south, or vice versa.

4. New regional arms races would result. Japan would feel it needs to increase defense spending to counter a more assertive China, and justify that using the US pullback. China, still remembering how they suffered at the hands of Japan, would then of course reciprocate, and so might South Korea. Rinse and repeat for many regions around the world.

5. Some regions might increase their capabilities and cooperation to handle crises themselves instead of relying on the US to do so. Imagine the EU nations increasing their naval spending to be able to patrol the Mediterranean with the US gone from that region, especially given the turmoil in North Africa. Ditto for the North Sea, the Norwegian Sea, and especially the Baltic Sea.

6. The US would have a massive peace dividend which could be used to improve our crumbling infrastructure and properly fund social programs, improving the quality of life for 10s of millions of citizens.

The USA behaves like an empire in its military spending and deployment with 662 overseas bases in 38 foreign countries (even though we don't "rule" those nations), We have a larger navy and air force by an order of magnitude than the next closest nation, and spend more than half a trillion per year to maintain it. Empires don't last forever, and neither can the US, so we have to draw down at some point. How we manage that will be critical to avoid negative outcomes in many, many regions in the world.
 
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51. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 13, 2016, 12:03 Scottish Martial Arts
 
The Half Elf wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 02:18:
Question... what if we just up and left, or didn't play 'World Police' in the first place?

The short answer is no one knows, and that it would probably have complex and far reaching effects, some good and probably mostly bad.

When a policy or technology is very successful at addressing a problem, people will over time eventually start to forget the severity of the problem that the policy/technology addressed -- because it's no longer in their day to day experience -- and will start to view the downsides of the policy/technology, whether real downsides or only imagined, as being an intolerable evil. Examples of this tendency include vaccination and banking regulation. It's my opinion that if the success of Trump's message is anything to go by, then a lot of people have forgotten the problems that the American-led post-WWII security framework was meant to fix, primarily because it fixed those problems so successfully.

And what problems did the post-war security framework fix? Routine conventional warfare between major power, with all of its attendant short-term destruction and long-term damages. It used to be the case that developed nations went to war with each other. That is no longer true, but only because we worked very hard to create a system of institutions, alliances, and security cooperation to prevent such wars from being necessary. We risk far more than we realize when we say that we should stop participating in the security framework that has given us 70+ years of relative peace and prosperity. The past 70 years have not been perfect, but by historical standards, we've been living in a golden-age without precedent since the Roman Empire.

Now that said, the post-war security framework can be used more intelligently. Most of the foreign policy decisions we have made in the Middle East through 1990 or so were driven by Cold War politics, and the need to oppose the encroachment of Soviet influence, but were completely ignorant of the complexities and motivations of the countries involved. Our support for certain Pan-Arab Nationalist dictators starting in the 50s and 60s was driven entirely by the desire to create a network of client states in the region that would oppose Soviet interests. It's doubtful Pan-Arab Nationalism ever had the legs to make real reform in the region, but by coopting the nationalist movement to serve our Cold War ends, and propping up our clients long after they took dictatorial turns against their own people, we discredited both ourselves as acting in the interest of average Middle Eastern people and we discredited secular nationalism as a form of politics which could deliver reform to those people. That we then turned around and armed Political Islam -- the social and political response to Pan-Arab Nationalism's failure -- so that they could go wage jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan, again shows how disinterested we were in the specifics of the region, and the long-term consequences of our decisions, compared to one-upping the Soviets in the short-term.

But at least during the Cold War, our Middle East foreign policy decisions were coherent in terms of fighting the Soviets. In the post 9/11 period, however, our decision have been almost entirely guided by fear and reaction and self-inflicted harm. It would be another long post to explain why, but in my opinion, aside from containment of the Syrian Civil War (to include ISIS), our first priority in the region should be reaching a peace agreement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Until that happens, we are going to remain entangled in the region's politics in ways which are counter-productive to everyone involved.
 
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50. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 11:15 RedEye9
 
Blue wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 11:07:
Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:21:
And all Blue's censorship in the world won't change that.

Break the rules and suffer the consequences. You in effect censor yourself when you post the way you did (and often do).

It's either you want to get your posts deleted so you can play victim, or you are actually unable to comprehend where you are going wrong. Either way it's on you, and I can't promise to keep ignoring the anger it inspires in me to be accused of censorship, especially from someone who has benefited from so much tolerance.
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49. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 11:07  Blue 
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:21:
And all Blue's censorship in the world won't change that.

Break the rules and suffer the consequences. You in effect censor yourself when you post the way you did (and often do).

It's either you want to get your posts deleted so you can play victim, or you are actually unable to comprehend where you are going wrong. Either way it's on you, and I can't promise to keep ignoring the anger it inspires in me to be accused of censorship, especially from someone who has benefited from so much tolerance.
 
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48. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 10:15 RedEye9
 
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 19:25:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 19:15:
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 19:09:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 16:57:
It will take many more senseless deaths and a smart politician before we get gun laws similar to Australia.

Or like France's? We all saw how that worked out for them last year in Paris! Friggin' lemmings believing whats best for the rest of us.
Riiight. Because our current system is working great.
Done any critical thinking lately, I thought not.

Liberals true agenda behind banning guns is to destroy the NRA knowing that organization supports conservative politicians. Ban guns and then no more NRA so we see through your game.

Reminder for all those tuning in and reading this is about guns; our country was almost brought to its knees by a several Muslim men with box cutters so spare us the anti-gun rhetoric!

Lay off the Fox news. It has done nothing for your ability to cogitate.
 
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47. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 08:36 nin
 
Retired wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 08:13:
SlimRam wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 00:04:
Popped onto the site kind of late today and noticed the post count kind of high for Out of the Blue and figured Blue was giving away free grilled bacon. Sadly, this is not the case.

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46. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 08:13 Retired
 
SlimRam wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 00:04:
Popped onto the site kind of late today and noticed the post count kind of high for Out of the Blue and figured Blue was giving away free grilled bacon. Sadly, this is not the case.

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45. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 04:42 jdreyer
 
I know Gawker gets a lot of hate, but damn if they haven't had some of the best coverage of this shooting.  
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44. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 04:03 VaranDragon
 
In the past two weeks Mateen legally purchased a Glock pistol and a long gun, ATF Assistant Special Agent in Charge Trevor Velinor told reporters.

Yeah, the right to carry arms! Tell me how this would have been possible if this obviously mentally deranged crazy douche couldn't buy guns, LEGALLY for fucks sake!!?? Better yet TangledThorns, tell the parents of those killed! Oh wait, they were all gay, so who cares right?
 
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43. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 03:56 VaranDragon
 
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 19:09:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 16:57:
It will take many more senseless deaths and a smart politician before we get gun laws similar to Australia.

Or like France's? We all saw how that worked out for them last year in Paris! Friggin' lemmings believing whats best for the rest of us.

You have a brain. Use it to think. The attacks in France were carried out with assault rifles that are almost impossible to buy anywhere in Europe, at least legally. It was a significant logistical hurdle to get them into the hands of terrorists. Hence they needed a well ORGANIZED and FUNDED terrorist CELL to plan and carry this shit out. In America ANYONE can buy a fucking gun, call 911, proclaim loyalty to ISIS and go an a rampage. Now do you see the fucking difference or do you choose to remain ignorant of the most base of facts??? People like this douche, with no regard for human life, are the reason why we live in a shit hole of a world.

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42. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 13, 2016, 02:18 The Half Elf
 
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on Jun 13, 2016, 00:23:
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:27:
So true.This is why Obama and Hillary have very low approval ratings with the military. Both are clueless on how to defeat the enemy.

And what form would "defeating the enemy" take exactly?

Take Trump's advice and kill the families of anyone known to associate with ISIS and/or conduct air strikes on populated areas without regard for civilian casualties? I know this may come as a shock, but the anger you feel when American or European civilians are targeted and killed is not unique to you: when American bombs level a wedding, or a hospital, or Muslim civilians are otherwise killed -- inadvertently or not -- you create a new group of angry young men willing to die to return the favor.

Should we reinvade Iraq and push on into Syria? The Islamic State was born out of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Specifically, when we killed Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in an air strike in 2006, his deputy, the future self-proclaimed "Caliphate" Al-Baghdadi, assumed control of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, subsequently renamed it the Islamic State in Iraq, and then relocated it to Syria after the Sunni Awakening made it too difficult to continue conduct operations in the Sunni heartland in Iraq, i.e. Fallujah, Ramadi, etc. In other words, we already spent a significant amount of time putting boots on the ground to fight these guys and we don't have much to show for it. If we reinvade to "defeat the enemy", ISIS will just do what it did when it was called Al-Qaeda in Iraq: not face our ground forces directly, dissolve into the civilian populace, leverage local resentment against being occupied by a foreign power to build a base of support, and then conduct insurgency operations against our forces until eventually we leave again and they can reemerge.

The reality is that there's no easy way to "defeat the enemy". If there was we would do it now, or we would have done it during the first invasion and occupation. Short of discarding the Geneva Convention and the Laws of War and just killing every man, woman, and child in the shitty countries involved, we're just going to have to learn to live with the fact that we are not omnipotent, and that defeating an enemy like ISIS will be long-term and low-intensity. We can either scale our efforts accordingly, or not, but we can't pretend that just thumping our chest a bit harder will make the bad men go away.

Very informative Scottish, thank you.
Question... what if we just up and left, or didn't play 'World Police' in the first place? Nothing against the men and women of the military (thank you for your service and sacrifice), but is the US Government stirring up hornet's nest that we shouldn't have even been around in the first place, and as you mentioned, we are getting retaliation from other countries for doing so?
 
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41. Re: Morning Mobilization Jun 13, 2016, 00:23 Scottish Martial Arts
 
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:27:
So true.This is why Obama and Hillary have very low approval ratings with the military. Both are clueless on how to defeat the enemy.

And what form would "defeating the enemy" take exactly?

Take Trump's advice and kill the families of anyone known to associate with ISIS and/or conduct air strikes on populated areas without regard for civilian casualties? I know this may come as a shock, but the anger you feel when American or European civilians are targeted and killed is not unique to you: when American bombs level a wedding, or a hospital, or Muslim civilians are otherwise killed -- inadvertently or not -- you create a new group of angry young men willing to die to return the favor.

Should we reinvade Iraq and push on into Syria? The Islamic State was born out of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Specifically, when we killed Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in an air strike in 2006, his deputy, the future self-proclaimed "Caliphate" Al-Baghdadi, assumed control of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, subsequently renamed it the Islamic State in Iraq, and then relocated it to Syria after the Sunni Awakening made it too difficult to continue conduct operations in the Sunni heartland in Iraq, i.e. Fallujah, Ramadi, etc. In other words, we already spent a significant amount of time putting boots on the ground to fight these guys and we don't have much to show for it. If we reinvade to "defeat the enemy", ISIS will just do what it did when it was called Al-Qaeda in Iraq: not face our ground forces directly, dissolve into the civilian populace, leverage local resentment against being occupied by a foreign power to build a base of support, and then conduct insurgency operations against our forces until eventually we leave again and they can reemerge.

The reality is that there's no easy way to "defeat the enemy". If there was we would do it now, or we would have done it during the first invasion and occupation. Short of discarding the Geneva Convention and the Laws of War and just killing every man, woman, and child in the shitty countries involved, we're just going to have to learn to live with the fact that we are not omnipotent, and that defeating an enemy like ISIS will be long-term and low-intensity. We can either scale our efforts accordingly, or not, but we can't pretend that just thumping our chest a bit harder will make the bad men go away.
 
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40. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 13, 2016, 00:04 SlimRam
 
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39. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2016, 23:33 PHJF
 
SirKnight wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 21:51:
jdreyer wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 14:59:

2. Christians have in the past and continue to kill in the name of Christ,

That's not only extremely wrong but extremely ignorant.

Jesus Christ forbids killing as it is a highly sinful act. Anyone who does the type of murder you mention are not Christians. This is why your statement is wrong. Jesus said many times if you believe in him and love him, then you will do as he commands. One of his most important commandments he left us with is to love one another like he loved. No matter if they are your enemy or not. If you do this, then everyone will know you are his disciple, as he said. If you do not obey his commandments, then you are not his disciple. If you are not his disciple, then you are not a Christian. Thus, it is impossible for a Christian to kill in the name of anything, especially in the name of God.

Always keep in mind the teaching of the wolves in sheep's clothing. You can know a person by their works. A good tree does not produce bad fruit, and a bad tree does not produce good fruit.

Sorry dude, you didn't capitalize Him or His. Looks like you are in for an eternity in hell...
 
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38. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2016, 23:23 The Half Elf
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 22:36:
The Half Elf wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 17:31:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 16:57:
It will take many more senseless deaths and a smart politician before we get gun laws similar to Australia.

That's the sad thing. Somewhere there has to be a number or line crossed before it happens.

Now watch Hillary spin this.

Question is... this guy was interviewed by the FBI multiple times. Doesn't matter for what, but if the FBI has had multiple visits shouldn't that person be on some sorta list of 'Hey.. he wants to buy a gun... maybe we need to take a closer look at this, or restrict him from being able to'.

Hillary's tweet:
"To the LGBT community: please know that you have millions of allies across our country. I am one of them.” —Hillary

Trump's tweet:
What has happened in Orlando is just the beginning. Our leadership is weak and ineffective. I called it and asked for the ban. Must be tough

Your choice in a nutshell.

Hillary is a lying douchebag c**t of a magnitude that it makes all the republican candidates for president that have been around since I was born look like angels. She has been anti-gay since at least 2002. She is a master manipulator (just like Trump) and she is very dangerous. If she turned and looked at a camera and explained how she was going to rule the world House of Cards style; I wouldn't be surprised.

Still praying the FBI brings charges against her and she looses the democratic nomination because we are fucked with whoever wins the presidency.

As for Anti-Gun.... I am pro-gun, but at the same time I believe there needs to be limits on what you can and cannot purchase, and how many weapons a person should be allowed to own. I also believe that there should be a much stricter standard for purchasing guns.

Someone who's been on this website for a very long time was directly affected by the shitty gun laws we have today, in a circumstance that could have ended just as badly as the shooting in Orlando.
 
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Jun 12, 2016, 22:44 jdreyer
 
TangledThorns wrote on Jun 12, 2016, 19:25:
Reminder for all those tuning in and reading this is about guns; our country was almost brought to its knees by a several Muslim men with box cutters so spare us the anti-gun rhetoric!

You're making an argument for gun control here. Why are we putting up with 10K gun deaths per year with 300 million guns in our country, when all those guns can't even stop a few dudes with box cutter?
 
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