Rigs wrote on May 26, 2016, 21:07:
EDIT: Wow, that was a wall of text, eh? Ok, TL;DR- a Space Engineers-Lite (more SPACE, less ENGINEER) with lots of potential and dedicated devs. There's some bugs but they're slowly being fixed and usually the community comes in with a workaround shortly after it's discovered.
=-Rigs-=

Have you tried Factorio? From the description you gave, if you like that you'll probably like Factorio. The crafting in Factorio might not be quite as complex as some of the things you described, but it is in the same vein. Great game IMHO.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on May 26, 2016, 19:56:

Trevellian wrote on May 26, 2016, 19:25:
Enemy Starfighter/House of the Dying Sun just looks so much more interesting. I don't understand this games fanbase.

Hrm, I had never heard of that, watched the videos; that game looks pretty interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.

*EDIT*
Although to be fair, that game looks FAR smaller in scale than Elite:Dangerous, No Man's Sky or Star Citizen.

Thats because it is more of your classic X-Wing/Tie Fighter, mission based space shooter. Rather than open universe. But I personally miss space games like that. The only other relatively close one that has come out in the past few years was Strike Suit Zero and it was more Robotech style than straight up Starfighter.

HorrorScope wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:52:

ItBurn wrote on May 26, 2016, 13:43:

HorrorScope wrote on May 26, 2016, 10:53:
What's peoples thoughts on Empyrion? It seems to be an epic scale with a lot more to do, from travel to planets all the way down to fighting in dungeon levels on each, crafting, survival, etc. A game that gets no pub vs another game that for some reason just gets all the pub, hasn't released, hasn't shown a lot to do.

I played Empyrion several months ago with a friend and we got bored really fast because we didn't see anything worth doing. You have no motivation to do things and surviving is really easy. It felt like an empty world with no direction and nothing pushing you to explore. So, basically, it seems to have the faults that people plant on No Man's Sky. BUT, that was months ago, maybe it's better now? We were expecting a space 7 days to die and that's not what we got.

I been watching my son play it the last few days and it looks better than what you make it sounded like months ago. I'm also big on 7 Days to, waiting for it to finish up. This late June console release, we'll have to see what that all means to the 7 Day franchise.

Empryion had a free weekend just a couple weeks ago and got pounded because it's a bit eccentric in some ways. For example, when crafting, there are specific crafting stations, one for food, one for items/blocks and then you have a fridge to keep the food from spoiling. The item/block crafting station, called a 'constructor' makes you craft the individual parts before crafting the actual thing you need. Like, say, for a thruster for a 'small vehicle', you need steel panels (which needs to be from an ingot that you crafted from ore), a computer, cables, electronics, etc. And that sounds kinda neat but you can't do anything else until it's done crafting these parts, and each one takes about 8 seconds. So that's like 10 parts (sometimes you need multiple smaller parts) and 80 seconds just to make ONE thruster, which you need at least two. That's not counting 'directional thrusters' which let you go straight up, down, right, and left. Those require their own parts. So unless you have enough ore/ingots to build a constructor or two, then you're going to be sitting there a while. Meanwhile, your hunger bar is going down and you can't 'eat' from within your inventory, you have to place it on your action bar and THEN double-click to eat it. I've died a couple times because of that. On any planet but the starting 'easy' planet, you need oxygen. That's oxygen bottles, which are produced by an oxygen constructor, which has to be in water, AND an oxygen dispenser that the bottles go into. One bottle is produced every minute or so, but that oxygen constructor needs to be powered by fuel cells that need to be constructed also. So basically, until you get leveled up enough (Level 15, I believe, about two or three hours in) to build the 'Advanced Constructor', which isn't much faster but builds the smaller parts for you instead of you doing it yourself (you still incur the time penalty to build them though), you're going to be doing a LOT of busywork and micromanaging. Then, when you run out of ore, you have to go mine it, which means either walking there, SLOWLY (and you can't use the jetpack and run at the same time...or well, you couldn't...I'll get back to that in a minute) or build a hovercraft or 'small vehicle' (which can fly and go into space but can't warp to other planets), get out there, hope you don't get spotted by drones, find the ore, land and hope you don't get slaughtered by sentient flowers (not kidding, they're nasty) and start digging. It takes about ten minutes of digging and 3 or 4 reloads of your mining 'lazor' to get enough to make it worth it and all the while, a drone might happen upon your craft and blow it up before you even know it's out there, leaving you to walk home. Just hope you brought some food! Because if not, you'll starve before getting home unless you kill something (and bump your health meter up slightly while also getting food poisoning - not worth it).

Once you have enough to build a worthy capital ship, you can dock your small vehicle inside and take off. There's been problems with your smaller vehicles disappearing in the transition between planet-side and space but it's sporadic and they don't know exactly what conditions cause it yet though it's been 'fixed' a couple of times already.

When I said that you couldn't run and use the jetpack? Well, after the free weekend and the flood of complaints the devs got because the game wasn't up to the usual 'Early Access Standards' (ie. easy shit), they decided to patch the game and take out all the hard stuff. Now you can use the jetpack and run, you can eat from the inventory, you don't have to build the small parts before the big parts anymore, totally making the 'Advanced Constructor' useless and pointless. IMO, I think they should have made these things optional in the new game setup screen instead of making it permanent. They claim they have another way of making the 'Advanced Constructor' useful again, but haven't implemented it yet, so I have no idea what that may be.

Don't get me wrong, I freakin' LOVE this game! The bases you build can be saved as 'blueprints' and used in other new games plus you can download other blueprints via STEAM Workshop. Anything you can think of, you can build in this game. They have a TON of different styles of blocks and you can texture and paint them whatever you want. They recently implemented some new enemies and some new 'Points of Interest' that spawn on various worlds and each world is very different from each other, from a lava world to a desert world to an ice 'Hoth' lookalike. It's still very much early access but it has a lot of potential and the devs seem to be dedicated to it. They put out new patches (that absolutely break dedicated servers and then piss half of the playerbase off) nearly every week. There are bugs, of course. Sometimes drones come out you endlessly. The gunplay isn't too good. Don't come in thinking Battlefield or CoD, you're gonna be disappointed. But you know when you hit something and know when you're hit and you don't die in two seconds. It's not one of THOSE games. Sometimes you fall through the world (in which case, I recommend to immediately quit the game without saving and when you come back, it's usually right where you left before you fell with your stuff intact) and sometimes you'll get out of your ship only to immediately die. And sometimes your ships disappear. But, for the potential and the hours and fun you can get out of it, it's worth it. Don't go in with high, HIGH expectations and you'll be pleasantly surprised. This isn't one of those cashgrab shit games that Ye Ole' Sir Jim Fucking Sterling Son is so fond of...

EDIT: Wow, that was a wall of text, eh? Ok, TL;DR- a Space Engineers-Lite (more SPACE, less ENGINEER) with lots of potential and dedicated devs. There's some bugs but they're slowly being fixed and usually the community comes in with a workaround shortly after it's discovered.


=-Rigs-=

This comment was edited on May 26, 2016, 21:21.

TBH I still have yet to see an answer to my similar question directed at Star Citizen, other than it will be like Wing Commander, whatever that means.

There is the single player story to Star Citizen called Squadron 42, which you will be a pilot fighting the Vanduul as part of Squadron 42 in the military. The Vanduul have been taking star systems from the UEE for a long time, and it is time to fight back.

Star Citizen takes place after the events of the story of Squadron 42. It is more just a sandbox game. You can be a bounty hunter, a pirate, a cargo hauler, a miner, information runner, or other possibilities. There is no real story, but there is a back end simulator that will keep track of everything and generate missions based on what is happening. Also CIG can seed that back end system with some short stories. We have seen the start of this with the Covalex Shipping Hub.

It will be interesting to see if this game can fulfill it's potential. While I'm intrigued, I plan on waiting for the release and post release reviews. It seems a bit light on content for now. I understand and even agree exploration can be an interesting part of a game, but I'm not sold on it being the sole or major emphasis of a game that could hold my attention for more than a couple of hours. Which wouldn't be worth the current price tag. That kind of experience is more along the line of a $20 game, at best.

Trevellian wrote on May 26, 2016, 19:25:
Enemy Starfighter/House of the Dying Sun just looks so much more interesting. I don't understand this games fanbase.

Hrm, I had never heard of that, watched the videos; that game looks pretty interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.

*EDIT*
Although to be fair, that game looks FAR smaller in scale than Elite:Dangerous, No Man's Sky or Star Citizen.

Enemy Starfighter/House of the Dying Sun just looks so much more interesting. I don't understand this games fanbase.

I think the point is that you need to have something that is engaging for an extended amount of time.

If exploring is really fun, then great. If it's just seeing something with purple flowers instead of orange 1000x over, no, that doesn't hold interest very long.

Super Giant World / Universe games always have that problem. In theory it would take you a lifetime to see everything. But, effectively you've seen everything it has to offer after seeing 1% of it, the rest slight variations on what you've already seen and done.

Perhaps this will be different, but there's too much precedence in this category to assume it would be different.

I don't think you necessarily need to have a story, but if you don't you better bring crafting, survival and building with you. No Man's, I saw flying from one plant to another, pretty much see the sites and name them if you are first, rinse and repeat. Empyrion does a helluva a lot more than that now, as do most survival games. So if they add crafting, conflict/survival, building/transformation... then the story becomes a nice to have option. This game got a lot of pub, but unless something has changed a lot of other games have lapped them overall in terms of sandbox fun.

eRe4s3r wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:33:

El Pit wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:28:

Cutter wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:06:
The difference between ETS2 and ED is at least there's stuff to see in ETS2.

What is ETS2?

Euro Truck Simulator 2

Thank you!

ItBurn wrote on May 26, 2016, 13:43:

HorrorScope wrote on May 26, 2016, 10:53:
What's peoples thoughts on Empyrion? It seems to be an epic scale with a lot more to do, from travel to planets all the way down to fighting in dungeon levels on each, crafting, survival, etc. A game that gets no pub vs another game that for some reason just gets all the pub, hasn't released, hasn't shown a lot to do.

I played Empyrion several months ago with a friend and we got bored really fast because we didn't see anything worth doing. You have no motivation to do things and surviving is really easy. It felt like an empty world with no direction and nothing pushing you to explore. So, basically, it seems to have the faults that people plant on No Man's Sky. BUT, that was months ago, maybe it's better now? We were expecting a space 7 days to die and that's not what we got.

I been watching my son play it the last few days and it looks better than what you make it sounded like months ago. I'm also big on 7 Days to, waiting for it to finish up. This late June console release, we'll have to see what that all means to the 7 Day franchise.

sauron wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:36:

nin wrote on May 26, 2016, 13:59:

Dacron wrote on May 26, 2016, 13:52:
Has it been confirmed No Mans Sky will be devoid of gameplay/story, or is this all based off speculation and humour?

The videos I've seen don't show a lot of story or gameplay, besides flying around. If someone else has others, I'd love to see them...

I think it might be quite fun to bring about mass galaxy-wide extinctions. Although I'm probably biased...

Except you apparently can't kill anything because then Police Robots teleport in from nowhere and kill you.

Which is just really fucking stupid.

I have little interest in this until I hear some amazing word of mouth, but if they need more time to make it right, take the time to make it right.

El Pit wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:28:

Cutter wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:06:
The difference between ETS2 and ED is at least there's stuff to see in ETS2.

What is ETS2?

Euro Truck Simulator 2

Cutter wrote on May 26, 2016, 17:06:
The difference between ETS2 and ED is at least there's stuff to see in ETS2.

What is ETS2?

The difference between ETS2 and ED is at least there's stuff to see in ETS2. ED is just traveling through the inky blackness of space from space station to space station. NMS looks to be a combination of both. Which is ok in small doses. And that sort of experience is fine in the $20 or less category but certainly not the $66.50 they're currently asking for it - for me, and it seems a lot of others at any rate. And I'm still not a fan of procedural generation as it works so far. It always leaves that 'sameness' blah taste in my mouth.

Dacron wrote on May 26, 2016, 13:52:
Has it been confirmed No Mans Sky will be devoid of gameplay/story, or is this all based off speculation and humour?

Someone was speculating this delay was due to early reviews of "the tech is cool and all but where's the gameplay?"

TBH I still have yet to see an answer to my similar question directed at Star Citizen, other than it will be like Wing Commander, whatever that means.

SpectralMeat wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:22:

The Half Elf wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:14:
Don't remember seeing all this BS about story in the other games threads.

E:D got plenty of hate for this exact same reason.
No story go do whatever you want. People were complaining there is nothing to do.
I think games like the Witcher and GTA got people spoiled and they expect more from the open world games, than just being tossed into this sandbox and go make your own story.
I personally enjoyed E:D quiet a bit but I understand why people were complaining about it.
To each their own

Personally, my problem with Elite:Dangerous wasn't that there was a lack of things to do...

...I just found the things to do to be lacking.

Honestly, the most enjoyable part was landing at a space station.

-Jn-

Nah, pretty sure we are giving this bandwagon Indie Game shit because it has shown US NOTHING. But nice try

SpectralMeat wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:22:

The Half Elf wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:14:
Don't remember seeing all this BS about story in the other games threads.

E:D got plenty of hate for this exact same reason.
No story go do whatever you want. People were complaining there is nothing to do.
I think games like the Witcher and GTA got people spoiled and they expect more from the open world games, than just being tossed into this sandbox and go make your own story.
I personally enjoyed E:D quiet a bit but I understand why people were complaining about it.
To each their own

SpectralMeat wrote on May 26, 2016, 14:22:
E:D got plenty of hate for this exact same reason.

Those people never played previous Elites...