Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 20:35:
My favorite kind of hate to bash is when people talk shit about something that they openly proclaim they have no experience with. People who haven't played a particular game saying how awful it is, people responding to news about an upcoming unreleased product that will "obviously be shite". I'm all for calling a cigar a cigar, once I've actually smoked it. I think the general mantra "innocent until proven guilty" should extend to basically everything in life. If you go around condemning shit you don't know the first thing about, you're just furthering the cultural demise of our civilization with every keystroke. Although the worst is the toxic chain-reaction effect it often has, where now you've set the tone, and the only other voices that jump in are similarly negative. And then the way any positivity gets publicly lynched is abhorrent.

This is turning into quite the cathartic thread here, one that in almost no way is addressing the subject, that StarVR has always had my attention as being a "true" HD VR experience (if anyone's tried a DK2 onwards knows that i'm talking about, wrapping a 1920x1080 screen around your whole vision makes the pixels the size of keyboard keys... I honestly thought that it was a very pie-in-the-sky idea to have 2x 1440p screens, one for each eye in 2016. But the way they're moving, these might be out by Q1 2017. Acer is big business in the LCD world, and with the new 1080 cards... If they can really process rendering 2 scenes at the same time twice as efficiently as they so claim (with the multi monitor up to 16 screens thing) then StarVR's specs are plausible THIS GPU GENERATION. Which is insane.

I wonder what sort of tracking they'll use? It looks like the Vive has the best tracking at the moment, considering I've seen multiple videos of people flipping the wireless controllers 5 feet in the air, and catching it every time, while wearing the headset! It's def the one to beat. I wonder if they could licence that lighthouse tech from Valve? probably not...

That's all good stuff and one thing to add a lot of negative Nancy's like to throw out Entitlement when someone else gets their spoiled negative self on. This almost always unhappy state with offerings starts to go right down the same line as entitlement. Entitled to something better than being offered, because it should be. But if it was left to them to do it instead.... we'd get stick figure animation. I get being critical, but when almost everything is being poo poo'd while what I feel will be looked back on as a golden age, well one has just soured and burnt out. Steam, Doom, Unity, 3D, suck on top of suck. Now privacy based issues, spot on.

i think its pretty easy to see who has tech experience around here... because the people that have actually worked a bench for a decent period of time will all be telling you the same thing

you might say "but that doesnt matter! your experience working on hundreds and hundreds of computers for years and years means NOTHING next to my personal anecdotes!"... but that would sound pretty fucking retarded

I'm just impressed that they actually have some products in their lineup that people are willing to defend. That has been a long time coming, and I hope that trend continues. All of my previous experience with the brand has been that their products were absolute garbage, to the point where we refused to support them any longer, because even the replacement parts we would get after an RMA would be cheap garbage.

HorrorScope wrote on May 16, 2016, 19:05:

Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 18:13:
It would have been nice to have one person come to my defense when I get fucking railroaded.

I don't know if I've ever come to yours or anyone's side specifically. But I have nothing but agreement that we in general need to check ourselves. Our negativity is non-stop and it's against what we love. So it's like if this shit ain't no good, nothing is good in our lives. But many times I'm still having the time of my life.

We want progress but then we shoot progress down as too expensive, don't need the power (gasp), wrong tech, same ole, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It is always something negative too often.

Acer makes quality things and yes they can make a lemon or a dirt cheap product which that is filed under you get what you pay for. But there are plenty of people that could only afford the cheap stuff and found satisfaction with it.

This product in this article will be interesting to see what's up, a dark horse, but dark horses have a way to make it sometimes in tech.

My favorite kind of hate to bash is when people talk shit about something that they openly proclaim they have no experience with. People who haven't played a particular game saying how awful it is, people responding to news about an upcoming unreleased product that will "obviously be shite". I'm all for calling a cigar a cigar, once I've actually smoked it. I think the general mantra "innocent until proven guilty" should extend to basically everything in life. If you go around condemning shit you don't know the first thing about, you're just furthering the cultural demise of our civilization with every keystroke. Although the worst is the toxic chain-reaction effect it often has, where now you've set the tone, and the only other voices that jump in are similarly negative. And then the way any positivity gets publicly lynched is abhorrent.

This is turning into quite the cathartic thread here, one that in almost no way is addressing the subject, that StarVR has always had my attention as being a "true" HD VR experience (if anyone's tried a DK2 onwards knows that i'm talking about, wrapping a 1920x1080 screen around your whole vision makes the pixels the size of keyboard keys... I honestly thought that it was a very pie-in-the-sky idea to have 2x 1440p screens, one for each eye in 2016. But the way they're moving, these might be out by Q1 2017. Acer is big business in the LCD world, and with the new 1080 cards... If they can really process rendering 2 scenes at the same time twice as efficiently as they so claim (with the multi monitor up to 16 screens thing) then StarVR's specs are plausible THIS GPU GENERATION. Which is insane.

I wonder what sort of tracking they'll use? It looks like the Vive has the best tracking at the moment, considering I've seen multiple videos of people flipping the wireless controllers 5 feet in the air, and catching it every time, while wearing the headset! It's def the one to beat. I wonder if they could licence that lighthouse tech from Valve? probably not...

Is it really thick skinned to need a defense mechanism for when someone criticises your monitor brand?

I was agreeing with you on that SimCity stuff (and I said that you're not a shill) but I didn't get those sorts of comments thrown at me. Why? Because I talked about facts and hoped for the best, you talked about facts and aggressively insisted it will be the best. Those shill accusations were, as usual, unfair and arrogant but otherwise you gave as good as you got.

If you don't like the negativity, don't contribute to it. This is not a one time thing with you. Virtually none of the posts towards me are insulting, yet I'm quite capable of disagreeing with people. In fact, I was voted Most Disagreeable in my class!

Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 18:13:
It would have been nice to have one person come to my defense when I get fucking railroaded.

I don't know if I've ever come to yours or anyone's side specifically. But I have nothing but agreement that we in general need to check ourselves. Our negativity is non-stop and it's against what we love. So it's like if this shit ain't no good, nothing is good in our lives. But many times I'm still having the time of my life.

We want progress but then we shoot progress down as too expensive, don't need the power (gasp), wrong tech, same ole, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It is always something negative too often.

Acer makes quality things and yes they can make a lemon or a dirt cheap product which that is filed under you get what you pay for. But there are plenty of people that could only afford the cheap stuff and found satisfaction with it.

This product in this article will be interesting to see what's up, a dark horse, but dark horses have a way to make it sometimes in tech.

Quboid wrote on May 16, 2016, 17:33:
I don't doubt that you're correct and I have no issue with your second paragraph where you explain the facts. You corrected someone and in doing so, you informed me as I had considered Acer to be a cheap brand. I don't presume that this matters to you, but you'd have my respect for that.

It's just ... why you gotta be so mean? Someone on the Internet is wrong, it happens. A lot. So much even my delicate sensibilities are numb to it.

I wonder if Blue agrees that "this is BN" justifies being pointlessly rude.

"This is BN" is as much of a plea for help as it is an excuse. You should check my early post history (and post history in general) where I play the optimistic guy who actually enjoys things from time to time.

Add a couple years of near-constant harassment from other members about how I'm an obvious shill, how I'm a little bitch, you name the insult, I've received it many times over.

Fact is until I unleashed a bit of edge, people generally wouldn't leave me alone, now I get half-hearted respect on here because I'm a bit of an asshole.

And don't think I haven't tried to be diplomatic, I've contacted Blue personally via-e-mail and was told in no uncertain terms that he wasn't going to spend his time defending me by deleting personal attack posts that were "boarderline" because I should expect that treatment for holding an unpopular position (I believe at the time it was that "SimCity is actually a fun game", which no one was allowed to say, you were only allowed to bitch about how the online-only and shitty servers killed the game, and why EA is evil etc. etc. etc.). He wasn't a babysitter, and he's right, it's not his obligation. I saw the game for what it was, and adapted. Now I'm the pissy little internet nerd who doesn't mind taking a hard stance against ignorance. And nowadays only about half of the posts towards me are insulting, which is progress in my book.

I used to have like 10 people a DAY say shit like this:

"Of all the corporate imbeciles, idiots and apologists in this site Slick has been by far the worst. He registered here in February and has spent all his time either singing praises for EA or saying how negative we are.

Slick deserves to be talked down to since that's the only way to talk to a level he understands.

Damn, I really hate bullshitters like Slick, who gain absolutely nothing in defending corporations that don't give a fuck about them."

Yeah, and that's BY FAR not even close to the most caustic example, I could get you things from the past 2 weeks that would make you sick if you're so offended by me calling a guy who's running his mouth "retarded". So yeah, I've since grown a thicker skin, and spit venom more often, if only as a defense mechanism. Obviously it's nothing personal against Acer-hating guy. It's just how things are done on here. It would have been nice to have one person come to my defense when I get fucking railroaded.

This comment was edited on May 16, 2016, 18:25.

Like most here, I have an Acer monitor. It was dirt cheap when I needed something dirt cheap. The AC adapter broke, though, when a friend was jiggling the surge protector to unplug her iphone charger. What a weird thing to break. An OEM replacement was about half the price of the monitor, so I went 3rd party.

The thing is ugly and has awful viewing angles. Like cheap monitors, it can't be mounted. It'll be replaced at some point, by another Dell Ultrasharp, which is my primary monitor and which I love dearly.

I don't doubt that you're correct and I have no issue with your second paragraph where you explain the facts. You corrected someone and in doing so, you informed me as I had considered Acer to be a cheap brand. I don't presume that this matters to you, but you'd have my respect for that.

It's just ... why you gotta be so mean? Someone on the Internet is wrong, it happens. A lot. So much even my delicate sensibilities are numb to it.

I wonder if Blue agrees that "this is BN" justifies being pointlessly rude.

NegaDeath wrote on May 16, 2016, 16:48:
Not to jump into an over-emotional thread, but I recently-ish bought the Acer XB271HU and it's rock solid apart from a slightly finicky power button. No bad pixels, no light bleed, if it wasn't for that button it'd be perfect. I too read the bad quality reviews of it's predecessor the aforementioned XB270HU but I recall at the time reports said the newer monitor seemed to have better QA (hence why I bought it).

Not that a single experience constitutes a meaningful statistic.

That monitor looks awesome, wish I had a card that could run it. Set the monitors internal sleep timer to 1 hour and you will never have to touch the finicky power button again.

The reviews on Amazon and Newegg both beat my criteria, >=70% of users rate the product 4-5 stars.

This comment was edited on May 16, 2016, 17:44.

Not to jump into an over-emotional thread, but I recently-ish bought the Acer XB271HU and it's rock solid apart from a slightly finicky power button. No bad pixels, no light bleed, if it wasn't for that button it'd be perfect. I too read the bad quality reviews of it's predecessor the aforementioned XB270HU but I recall at the time reports said the newer monitor seemed to have better QA (hence why I bought it).

Not that a single experience constitutes a meaningful statistic.

Quboid wrote on May 16, 2016, 15:58:

Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 10:17:
fuck that guy who was bitching about how Acer is garbage, he set the tone, I only reciprocated.

You personally insulted somebody who you disagree with, that's a very different to describing a company's products as garbage. Your tone looks more like CJ_Parker's than Parallax Abstraction's.

It's not that I disagree with him, that would invoke the idea of there being 2 valid opinions on this issue.

Talking about the manufacturer of the best gaming monitors on the planet like: "Their products are horribly made, supported even worse and are designed to not last." and "seen literally every other brand have ups and downs, Acer has never had an up. They've always been crap." Is just fucking retarded. It's not an opinion, it's dead wrong.

I'm sorry that facts upset you, and my demeanor has upset your delicate sensibilities. This is BN, buck up.

Now tell me that producing the Acer Z1 2560x1080 SPVA monitor with G-sync @ 200hz selling for only $599 is "garbage". Go ahead, if you're going to white-knight the guy, at least stick up for his faulty logic.

Next thing you know we'll be hearing how nVidia has never made a grphics card that could power even an apple watch, or that Intel has always been a budget chip maker who only makes chips powerful enough to handle a laser printer's logic.

It's true that Acer has made cheap-ish products in the past, using his reference, the fucking 1990's. But just cause he's calling on a 2-decade old gut feeling to fill in for facts doesn't mean that he has an opinion, he's just wrong. It's like fanboi-ism in reverse, some people will always know that they'll hate X on Thursday because of what happened on Tuesday, no matter what transpires on Wednesday.

Quboid wrote on May 16, 2016, 15:58:
Your tone looks more like CJ_Parker's than Parallax Abstraction's.

Aaaannnddd? Nothing wrong with that now is there??

Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 10:17:
fuck that guy who was bitching about how Acer is garbage, he set the tone, I only reciprocated.

You personally insulted somebody who you disagree with, that's a very different to describing a company's products as garbage. Your tone looks more like CJ_Parker's than Parallax Abstraction's.

Slick wrote on May 16, 2016, 10:23:
Not making mention of the rest of the very sexy Acer monitor lineup

I prefer chicks over monitors when it comes to sex, bro.

Or the 21:9 aspect ultra-wide...

21:9 is for tards with fish eyes.

I used to hate Acer stuff too, but then bought their A500 pad a few years ago and it turned out to be a real workhorse. Then I picked up one of their monitors on sale about 8 months ago after reading a LOT of reviews and it's been great.

I am very very picky about hardware and build my own systems, and I'm not brand loyal. Until recently I would not have looked at Acer hardware since the reviews were nowhere near good enough, but these days they seem to have picked up.

RedEye9 wrote on May 15, 2016, 22:41:

Parallax Abstraction wrote on May 15, 2016, 21:05:
The CEO recently said he would consider selling the company but that it had very little value and whoever bought it would be buying "an empty shell."

Source?

Here the ACER CEO boldly claims "We’ll be the last PC company standing" April 23, 2015

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/acer-ceo-last-company-standing/

Found it by searching for Acer CEO "an empty shell", it revealed that founder Stan Shih said that, not Jason Chen the CEO. In context it did not seem he was happy about it. Aug 27, 2015
pcworld

blargh

Not making mention of the rest of the very sexy Acer monitor lineup, such as the absolutely beastly X34

Or the 21:9 aspect ultra-wide running at 200hz. that's right. The Predator Z1 has no equal.

When it comes to Acer monitors, they're in the top bracket without a doubt, arguably the best gaming monitors in the world right now. So hearing that they're partnering for VR headsets, I'm REALLY excited for StarVR, I was already hyped for the best looking VR solution out there, and now I'm confident that this won't be vaporware. It's a good day for gaming enthusiasts.

This comment was edited on May 16, 2016, 10:28.

HoSpanky wrote on May 16, 2016, 08:48:
Good LORD Slick, I have that same monitor. Was almost half the price of the one on that Canadian version of Newegg. Got mine for $630.

I love the monitor, aside from one dead pixel.

I got mine for about 800 CAD when it was on sale, right around the time of the hype for the new ROG swift coming out using the same panel as the Acer. Turned out that the ROG swift was $1300, and the Acer was $800 with the exact same panel, with a higher QA rating from user reviews of the Asus. Nearly half the price. The only difference is that the new Asus ROG Swift overclocked it's refresh rate a bit higher, but if you look at the exhaustive review by TFTcentral, it shows that the higher hz on the ROG Swift adds some bluriness and image retention stuff, as well as not being able to hit the correct colour as quickly as the 144hz model.

I honestly was waiting for the new ROG Swift, and only bought the Acer because it was half the price for the same panel, I got it with the new egg premiere membership thing, So I could have returned it up to 30 days no questions asked, AFTER the ROG swift had come out, so I could re-evaluate when the reviews were out on TFTCentral... and yeah, never sent it back, it's such a beast of a monitor, 1440p looks for all intents and purposes nearly the same as 4k, with less than half the pixels of 4k, so it can still be achievably run on current hardware at those high refresh rates, and the g-sync is godlike... the IPS panel is picture-perfect.

It's the most pro monitor I've ever laid my eyes on.

And if I'm being honest, when I first got it, i was doing terrible in FPS games, like AWFUL. I was going like 3-20 every match, it was insane. Felt the same as when I got my first 120hz monitor back in the day. The muscle memory I had built up over the years was now always "living in the past", the response was "too live". I had to purge everything I'd built up and re-learn how to aim. Felt the same recently when I moved from teh G602 to the G900 Logitech mouse. Shit's just too live for my dumb brain, have to unlearn years of old muscle memory and reflex compensation. Now I'm back to doing amazing, and I am actually doing better, easier to track and correct my aim, as the visual response from my movements are a lot quicker, just takes some getting used to.

Also, fuck that guy who was bitching about how Acer is garbage, he set the tone, I only reciprocated.