Warren Spector Joining Otherside for System Shock 3

Otherside Entertainment announces that famed designer Warren Spector will soon be joining their company, saying that: "Efforts on System Shock 3 will accelerate this year under Warren’s direction, while OtherSide continues working on Underworld Ascendant, the successor to the Ultima Underworld series." This reunites Warren with Paul Neurath, as both were part of the glory days of Looking Glass Studios. "I’m delighted to have Warren stepping up into a director role at OtherSide and helping lead the charge with our innovative approach to gaming," says Paul. "I can think of no one better suited to take on this creative challenge. Warren has changed the industry before and will do so again." Word is he will break on through to the other side following the conclusion of his current teaching duties:
OtherSide Entertainment is thrilled to announce that Warren Spector, one of the leading creative minds in the game industry, will soon be joining the company.

Warren has been a producer, designer, and director behind some of the industry’s most beloved games, including System Shock, Deus Ex, and the Ultima series. He led Junction Point Studios in creating the best-selling Disney Epic Mickey and recently oversaw the Denuis-Sam Gaming Academy post-baccalaureate program at UT Austin.

Warren has acted as a Creative Advisor to OtherSide since the studio’s inception. Following the end of this semester’s classes at UT Austin, he will transition into a full-time position as one of OtherSide’s Studio Directors. Warren will continue to help in a creative capacity on Underworld Ascendant and, later this year, ramp up and lead the team developing System Shock 3.

Warren has a long history working with members of the OtherSide team, having collaborated with founder Paul Neurath on the original Ultima Underworld games, Thief: The Dark Project, and System Shock.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:48
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Wait... didn't Warren design Deus Ex: Invisible War DOH!
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:39
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I've been around long enough to have played SS1 and 2 in order. I kept thinking, "This is great, but how will this tie in with SS1?", and the way they pulled it off was brilliant, imo.

Also I had played the pre-launch SS2 demo over and over, and where it stopped didn't have the first "ghost" that pops up, so when it did in the main game at the same location from the demo I went from auto-pilot to literally jumping in my chair hard enough to knock my headphones off.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:32
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:32
 
Creston wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 14:29:
Drayth wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:49:
Spector? I just *met* her!

:-groan-: You! OUT!


pffft
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:27
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:27
 
I recall SS2's game design becoming progressively less impressive as you progressed. Especially once you get on the second ship. The level design falls apart and becomes more typical "late '90s nonsensical randomness". Nevermind the ending.

The weapon breaking and respawn can be disabled in the config file. They added this ability in a patch because people complained.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:26
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Both were great in their day. SS1 remake with today's standards should be able to best SS2 in single player any way. Both games were well ahead of the curve back then in terms of 3d/Gameplay Depth. Most others were running fast around a maze guns blazing, the end.

As for this news of Spector being involved, it could be good or not good, we'll never know until we know.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:21
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:21
 
There are mods that turn off the weapons breaking and the infinite enemy spawns for SS2, makes it much more enjoyable.

The real ending to SS2 was lost I believe to a hard drive crash and the one they ended up putting in the game was a last minute hack.
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Acleacius wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 16:16:
Iirc, Spector was an outside producer for SS1 (per in game credits and Wikipedia) and not sure he had anything to do with SS2(checked and he has no credits on SS2 Wikipedia, not to mention KLevine has posted here on Blue's stating as much). So not really sure he deserves any credit for the development or success of either System Shock, certainly not SS2.
Spector was making Deus Ex at the time SS2 was in development. The teams on those games had similar backgrounds and influences, which is why the games are similar in a number of ways.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:19
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Creston wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 14:28:
Should be good, as long as Warren stops with his nonsensical "I'll make a one room RPG and it'll be the best thing you've ever played!" mantra.

It was "one city block", and he said it would be interesting, not the best thing ever. Pretty sure he only mentioned it a couple of times too, it's not a mantra. That Consortium kickstarter running at the moment is basically that idea put into practice.

Anyway, I'm not that excited about this. In most Spector interviews and columns I've read, he seems to be operating about 15 years behind everyone else, repeating criticisms of games that seem a bit old hat now.

I hope he plans to make SS3 a true immersive sim and doesn't pull a Levine by trying to tell a story full of half-baked philosophy or something. But I give more credit to Harvey Smith for the "immersive simness" of Deus Ex, so who knows what Spector will do with this game.
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Iirc, Spector was an outside producer for SS1 (per in game credits and Wikipedia) and not sure he had anything to do with SS2(checked and he has no credits on SS2 Wikipedia, not to mention KLevine has posted here on Blue's stating as much). So not really sure he deserves any credit for the development or success of either System Shock, certainly not SS2.

Yes, there was an issue with weapons breaking too fast but was fixed early on, through a mod or console command, as was the spawning. It was simply balance issues any game has at release, well afaik.

As far as the same twist on both, I don't recall it. In SS1 it was a known and SS2, (without going into spoilers) it was an unknown.
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Feb 17, 2016, 16:09
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SS1 is pretty cheesy and the controls are very strange by today's standards. It was exceptional in its day as a sci-fi form of Ultima Underworld. Much more interesting than most other first person shooters of the time.

I think SS2 is a much better game but yeah SS2 has some very iffy design decisions as well. The respawn and gun breakdowns can be tweaked in a game config file. People complained about how stupid it all was and so they added config vars for it.

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Feb 17, 2016, 15:45
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Wesp5 wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 15:05:
Cutter wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:54:
That's because it didn't. SS2 was much better.

Really? I never played SS1 but I heard that SS2 was rather a kind of copy including the same twist. Also people seem to forget the endless respawning enemies you had to kill with your wrench because your weapons would break after a few shots while you could get ammo from soda dispensers. I really hope that SS1 wasn't worse than that ;)!

Is that what happened?

I didn't play far into SS2. I remember crates kept breaking open and robots kept coming out that were pretty deadly, yet ammo and health were sparse, so I had to wrench'm, which would mean I got hurt, and they just kept coming, and it stopped being fun. I wanted to explore, not wrench robots, and ammo was too precious.

I guess I should have realized they were infinitely spawning, but I got frustrated fairly quickly and moved on to games that felt better.
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Cutter wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:54:
That's because it didn't. SS2 was much better.

Really? I never played SS1 but I heard that SS2 was rather a kind of copy including the same twist. Also people seem to forget the endless respawning enemies you had to kill with your wrench because your weapons would break after a few shots while you could get ammo from soda dispensers. I really hope that SS1 wasn't worse than that ;)!
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Drayth wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:49:
Spector? I just *met* her!

:-groan-: You! OUT!

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Should be good, as long as Warren stops with his nonsensical "I'll make a one room RPG and it'll be the best thing you've ever played!" mantra.

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Whole-Le-Fuk.

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This is going to be Epic, Mickey!
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nin wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 13:15:
schwing!

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Cutter wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:54:
Flatline wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:47:
Interesting.

I'd actually have been more excited with Ken Levine getting on board but Warren might be a good turn. I feel like SS didn't hit it's stride until SS2 though.

That's because it didn't. SS2 was much better. And having him on board is nothing but good IMO. He's one of the few game designers out there I'll always give the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to say how much impact he'll have however. It's all dependent on how far along they are with it.

Did anyone back/is following Ascendant? What's the word around the campfire on that so far?
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schwing!

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Flatline wrote on Feb 17, 2016, 12:47:
Interesting.

I'd actually have been more excited with Ken Levine getting on board but Warren might be a good turn. I feel like SS didn't hit it's stride until SS2 though.

That's because it didn't. SS2 was much better. And having him on board is nothing but good IMO. He's one of the few game designers out there I'll always give the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to say how much impact he'll have however. It's all dependent on how far along they are with it.

Did anyone back/is following Ascendant? What's the word around the campfire on that so far?
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