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Jerykk wrote on Jan 4, 2016, 23:12:
The U.S. has been spying on its citizens since the 50's. It's nothing new and for 99.99999% of the population, it has no impact on their life whatsoever. Opponents of surveillance believe that governments are inherently corrupt and that they will inevitably use any information they gather to either exploit or persecute you. I don't believe that to be true. Totalitarian governments use surveillance to help suppress opposition but they'd be suppressing opposition even if surveillance didn't exist.

Surveillance is inherently neutral. It doesn't turn a democratic nation into a totalitarian one. If it did, the U.S. would have become a totalitarian nation a long time ago (and please don't claim that the U.S. is already totalitarian; if that were true, you'd already be dead or in prison because of your publicly-expressed beliefs).

Governments don't need to be totalitarian in the classic sense of the word for them to be inherently opposed to the good being and welfare of the vast majority of its peoples. Read "Democracy Inc." for an explanation of how these openly democratic states exist today, and the culture that allows them to exist and defend special interest groups at the expense of the majority.

In many ways totalitarian rule is much less dangerous, at least you can point it out, oppose it, and fight it directly. This sentence at least gives me comfort that the next generation might finally get rid of the warmongers and fear pushers:

Out of all the survey respondents under 30, only a third supported the idea of warrantless Internet surveillance. In contrast, two-thirds of Americans over the age of 30 supported the idea.
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