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Happy Festivus, as today is the holiday for the rest of us! I have a grievance to air (with myself), which is that I've talked in the past about getting an aluminum pole to better celebrate the occasion, but have not managed to follow through on that ambition. In fairness, putting this in place would still not qualify as a feat of strength, as aluminum is known for its very high strength-to-weight ratio. And of course, buying such a pole would be a bit contrary to the whole anti-commercialism theme of the day, so on that level it's actually more appropriate to celebrate without one. There you have it, I've rationalized myself a Festivus miracle!

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27. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 16:10 Megalodon
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 24, 2015, 03:08:
It takes hundreds of millions of dollars in research for each new proc generation. AMD has made some bad choices, but things like Bulldozer were done because they didn't have the money to do traditional prediction research, so they gambled. And lost. But those things were done because Intel cheated them out of market share and revenue, not the other way around. Intel cheated its way into a dominant position, and has held onto it. But think of the procs we might have if Intel and AMD were able to compete for real.

What kind of revisionist history is this? AMD "gambled" by selling its most important fucking fabs and by doubling down on bad designs that were already behind Intel equivalents. It also was lax in leveraging server market chips and had several failed designs back to back which left it in the dust and out of consideration. You can argue that Intel bullied it around in several marketplaces but that's just one small piece of the pie, AMD had several major fuckups which had far more impact than anything Intel did.

AMD is getting pounded because they are mismanaged and suck, ask any of the ex-employees we have around here. They are a rudderless ship and have been for some time. The closest they came to real success since the Athlon was buying ATI and attempting to get ahead of Nvidia and mobile integrators for small chipsets. Too bad they completely lacked the expertise and focus, they took on a lot of debt to buy ATI and it turned out to be pretty pointless for the companys direction. ATI is still barely integrated into their product lines in any meaningful way and they totally missed the boat on mobile graphics which could've reinvented the company.

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26. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 10:39 RedEye9
 
Bub wrote on Dec 24, 2015, 06:40:
France has the right idea, let the majority decide what holiday it is, so Merry Christmas. If you want to celebrate something else, go back to the country where it is celebrated natively. You don't see Israel calling Hanuka 'Happy Holidays'.

Regarding the next Mars lander. Typical, this is why it is so easy for congress to take money away from Nasa and give it to billionaires who pay other less fortunate people to experiment with completely unstable and lethal Nazi rocket fuel based space projects.
ted kaczynski, is that you. Merry Xmas
 
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25. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 09:45 Creston
 
Merry Christmas, Pit!  
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24. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 06:40 Bub
 
France has the right idea, let the majority decide what holiday it is, so Merry Christmas. If you want to celebrate something else, go back to the country where it is celebrated natively. You don't see Israel calling Hanuka 'Happy Holidays'.

Regarding the next Mars lander. Typical, this is why it is so easy for congress to take money away from Nasa and give it to billionaires who pay other less fortunate people to experiment with completely unstable and lethal Nazi rocket fuel based space projects.
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 04:15 El Pit
 
Dear Blues News'ers, I wish all of you a merry christmas! Enjoy some time OFFLINE with real life friends and family, have a peaceful, funny, or/and contemplative time. Think of christmas past, present, and future, mourn those that are not around anymore, hug those that are still around, and keep the memories to tell those that are yet to be born.

Meanwhile, I will reflect on this problem: are there any christmas trees in the cutterverse?

Sorry, Cutter, just joking. Have a nice christmas!
 



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22. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 24, 2015, 03:08 jdreyer
 
Santa Claus wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 20:04:
No they don't get to skate on that anymore, their R&D has sucked for years and we're going back to when they had resources. They just keep making all the wrong moves, about the only smart thing they've done in the past 10 years is buy ATI.

It takes hundreds of millions of dollars in research for each new proc generation. AMD has made some bad choices, but things like Bulldozer were done because they didn't have the money to do traditional prediction research, so they gambled. And lost. But those things were done because Intel cheated them out of market share and revenue, not the other way around. Intel cheated its way into a dominant position, and has held onto it. But think of the procs we might have if Intel and AMD were able to compete for real.
 
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21. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 23:22 Retired
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 15:03:
Cutter wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 14:54:
OK, PC question time....

I got my new CPU installed without a hitch, yay! Pulled the rig apart gave it a good cleaning blew everything out. And doesn't it always suck when you put them back together and then it doesn't work, so again, yay when it does.

So the BIOS sees the CPU ok - AMD FC-8350 8 core 4Ghz. However, it shows my Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866 RAM as 1333, and it's currently running at 1559. When I look at the memory profile it shows that in - I think - JCP it displays as 1333 but in XMP it shows 1866. I seem to recall having this issue when I first set this rig up last year - as everything was new except the CPU and GPU.

I set the mem spd to 1866 but it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference. Any ideas? The board is an ASUs M5A97 R2.0.

Also, how crazy is this weather? I actually did this on my outside workbench in t-shirt. It's 12C atm, and supposed to be 14C tomorrow, yowsa!

Weather is crazy as fuck in Germany too, 14C today.. , as for your XMP problem, most 1866 profiles require ram voltage higher than the default. Meaning your ram is probably rated for higher voltage than it is auto assigned by the bios.

If the ram notices the timings can't be achieved it downclocks to the next lower profile. Did you check ram voltage on the sticks for 1866 rating and in the bios match up?

I think we are thinking the same thing - one stick is not achieving max ability so it is down clocking? I would run a test on them independently if you are able. Update BIOS? Try using Afterburner or your mobos utilities? Sorry if you have done all of this, just off the top of my head.
 
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 23:20 Retired
 
Merry Christmas for those who partake, Happy Holidays for everyone else.

Be safe.

Happy New Year.
 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 20:04 Megalodon
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 18:51:
The Intel I7 3820 sits virtually neck in neck for performance with the FX3850. The I7 is currently listed at $432 bucks. The latter I just picked up for $200. If I'm going to pay twice as much for something it better be twice as good. It's not, so what the hell are you paying for beyond branding? If people want to throw money away needlessly on Intel and Nvidia be my guest, I have other things I'd rather waste my money on.

No one is buying an i7-3820, they'd buy an i5 and even the low end i5 going back a generation destroy it. And no the FX isn't anywhere close in IPC, you're cherry picking benchmarks. There's a reason I ditched mine, you will learn the hard way.

Intel suppressed their sales for years using uncompetitive practices. They got fined for it but damage done . AMD still hasn't recovered from that.

No they don't get to skate on that anymore, their R&D has sucked for years and we're going back to when they had resources. They just keep making all the wrong moves, about the only smart thing they've done in the past 10 years is buy ATI.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 19:35 RedEye9
 
Santa Claus wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 16:11:
I just got fed up with my so called 8 core AMD box (its effectively 4 cores due to shared modules) and swapped it out for a Skylake Intel CPU. Absolutely crushes it in every single metric. So pleased with the performance, can't say I will ever go back to AMD unless I'm broke. fake 8 core monster its power use is pretty excessive so I'm not even sure that's a good fit. AMD doesn't hold much resale value for reasons I'm now understanding better.

I might give AMD a shot on the video card front again sometime soon though, the 980TIs are insanely expensive.


Even an Intel i5-4690k blows away the 8350 in the benchmarks that matter and it's not expensive.
Plus 88w versus 125w it's a no brainer. Why anyone would waste money on the old 8350, unless they needed a heater Flamethrower , is beyond me. Might as well spend a few more dollars and get something that has some future proofness built in.
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 19:20 The Half Elf
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 14:54:
OK, PC question time....

I got my new CPU installed without a hitch, yay! Pulled the rig apart gave it a good cleaning blew everything out. And doesn't it always suck when you put them back together and then it doesn't work, so again, yay when it does.

So the BIOS sees the CPU ok - AMD FC-8350 8 core 4Ghz. However, it shows my Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866 RAM as 1333, and it's currently running at 1559. When I look at the memory profile it shows that in - I think - JCP it displays as 1333 but in XMP it shows 1866. I seem to recall having this issue when I first set this rig up last year - as everything was new except the CPU and GPU.

I set the mem spd to 1866 but it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference. Any ideas? The board is an ASUs M5A97 R2.0.

Also, how crazy is this weather? I actually did this on my outside workbench in t-shirt. It's 12C atm, and supposed to be 14C tomorrow, yowsa!

Blow or suck Cutter, either way you're getting me all excited
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 18:51 Cutter
 
The Intel I7 3820 sits virtually neck in neck for performance with the FX3850. The I7 is currently listed at $432 bucks. The latter I just picked up for $200. If I'm going to pay twice as much for something it better be twice as good. It's not, so what the hell are you paying for beyond branding? If people want to throw money away needlessly on Intel and Nvidia be my guest, I have other things I'd rather waste my money on.
 
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15. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 18:28 jdreyer
 
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 18:10:
Santa Claus wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 16:11:
I just got fed up with my so called 8 core AMD box (its effectively 4 cores due to shared modules) and swapped it out for a Skylake Intel CPU. Absolutely crushes it in every single metric. So pleased with the performance, can't say I will ever go back to AMD unless I'm broke. I was going to use this fake 8 core monster in a file server or something but its power use is pretty excessive so I'm not even sure that's a good fit. I will probably put it up on kijiji but AMD doesn't hold much resale value for reasons I'm now understanding better.

I might give AMD a shot on the video card front again sometime soon though, the 980TIs are insanely expensive.

It's sad that AMD does not make a competitive CPU. On the GPU front it's doing ok. The market needs competition to be healthy and push innovation.
Intel suppressed their sales for years using uncompetitive practices. They got fined for it but damage done . AMD still hasn't recovered from that.
 
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14. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 18:10 RedEye9
 
Santa Claus wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 16:11:
I just got fed up with my so called 8 core AMD box (its effectively 4 cores due to shared modules) and swapped it out for a Skylake Intel CPU. Absolutely crushes it in every single metric. So pleased with the performance, can't say I will ever go back to AMD unless I'm broke. I was going to use this fake 8 core monster in a file server or something but its power use is pretty excessive so I'm not even sure that's a good fit. I will probably put it up on kijiji but AMD doesn't hold much resale value for reasons I'm now understanding better.

I might give AMD a shot on the video card front again sometime soon though, the 980TIs are insanely expensive.

It's sad that AMD does not make a competitive CPU. On the GPU front it's doing ok. The market needs competition to be healthy and push innovation.
 
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13. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 16:11 Megalodon
 
I just got fed up with my so called 8 core AMD box (its effectively 4 cores due to shared modules) and swapped it out for a Skylake Intel CPU. Absolutely crushes it in every single metric. So pleased with the performance, can't say I will ever go back to AMD unless I'm broke. I was going to use this fake 8 core monster in a file server or something but its power use is pretty excessive so I'm not even sure that's a good fit. I will probably put it up on kijiji but AMD doesn't hold much resale value for reasons I'm now understanding better.

I might give AMD a shot on the video card front again sometime soon though, the 980TIs are insanely expensive.
 
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12. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 15:55 Cutter
 
Sweet. Just put the PC through it's paces and it's noticeably faster now. Just snagged FO4 off of G2A for $55 - $25 cheaper than Steam and $35 cheaper than retail - as an Xmas present to me, so yay for G2A. So it'll be a F04 Xmas over the next few days.
 
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11. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 15:24 Cutter
 
Yeah, thanks. I had just did an Optimized defaults on the BIOS and missed turning off the auto settings for the CPU and RAM. Got it all sorted now and the CPU is running normally too - as it was running hot prior. Whew! Was getting a little panicky there for a second, hehehe. Cheers! Now I can relax and start getting down on some rumnog!

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10. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 15:03 eRe4s3r
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 23, 2015, 14:54:
OK, PC question time....

I got my new CPU installed without a hitch, yay! Pulled the rig apart gave it a good cleaning blew everything out. And doesn't it always suck when you put them back together and then it doesn't work, so again, yay when it does.

So the BIOS sees the CPU ok - AMD FC-8350 8 core 4Ghz. However, it shows my Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866 RAM as 1333, and it's currently running at 1559. When I look at the memory profile it shows that in - I think - JCP it displays as 1333 but in XMP it shows 1866. I seem to recall having this issue when I first set this rig up last year - as everything was new except the CPU and GPU.

I set the mem spd to 1866 but it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference. Any ideas? The board is an ASUs M5A97 R2.0.

Also, how crazy is this weather? I actually did this on my outside workbench in t-shirt. It's 12C atm, and supposed to be 14C tomorrow, yowsa!

Weather is crazy as fuck in Germany too, 14C today.. , as for your XMP problem, most 1866 profiles require ram voltage higher than the default. Meaning your ram is probably rated for higher voltage than it is auto assigned by the bios.

If the ram notices the timings can't be achieved it downclocks to the next lower profile. Did you check ram voltage on the sticks for 1866 rating and in the bios match up?
 
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9. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 14:57 eRe4s3r
 
I always thought vacuum spheres are super easy to build, heck we had one in school. Once vacuum, it wouldn't leak, because the vacuum pressed the 2 seals together and the only way to actually remove it ever again was to force the seal apart via mechanical mechanisms.

So how can such a thing "accidentally" leak?
 
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8. Re: Out of the Blue Dec 23, 2015, 14:54 Cutter
 
OK, PC question time....

I got my new CPU installed without a hitch, yay! Pulled the rig apart gave it a good cleaning blew everything out. And doesn't it always suck when you put them back together and then it doesn't work, so again, yay when it does.

So the BIOS sees the CPU ok - AMD FC-8350 8 core 4Ghz. However, it shows my Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866 RAM as 1333, and it's currently running at 1559. When I look at the memory profile it shows that in - I think - JCP it displays as 1333 but in XMP it shows 1866. I seem to recall having this issue when I first set this rig up last year - as everything was new except the CPU and GPU.

I set the mem spd to 1866 but it doesn't seem to make a lick of difference. Any ideas? The board is an ASUs M5A97 R2.0.

Also, how crazy is this weather? I actually did this on my outside workbench in t-shirt. It's 12C atm, and supposed to be 14C tomorrow, yowsa!
 
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