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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 14:17
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 14:17
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wtf_man wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 20:21:
Actually, electric motors have way more torque... but towing or doing something heavy-duty would drain the battery way too fast.

A Dodge RAM eco-diesel might be your ticket... and if the word goes kaflooey, you can always run it on scrounged fry oil.

Going back to VW, they're talking about having a diesel/electric hybrid version of the Audi Q7 - that should have torque coming out its ears (even if it'll use a straight-six diesel as opposed to anything crazier, like the old V10 diesels they had in the early TDI Touaregs). Similarly, although I haven't heard anything specifically, I wouldn't be surprised if you see something similar from Mercedes in their larger SUVs (GLE- and GLS-class) or the Vito/Sprinter vans before too long.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 08:43
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 08:43
Dec 1, 2015, 08:43
 
gray wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 08:06:
InBlack wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 08:00:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 07:29:
Well.. they could make these cars actually affordable... and invent a battery that can last for 30 years.. and not just 5 ?

They are working on that. The upcoming Tesla 3 model, will cost half as much as the Tesla S. Musk has stated that his goal is to ultimately make electric cars as affordable and efficient as possible. As far as battery retention/price/power is concerned, Tesla is in the process of building the biggest battery factory in the world. Tesla also guarantees free recharges at all of its recharge stations. Musk is a smart guy, and unlike most entrepreneurs today, he seems to care a lot about things other than profit.

Also you don't need to care about replacements when you pay $50 a month and hail/schedule an automated car via mobile app.

Remember I live in Germany, automated cars aren't even allowed here and charging stations are few and far between. not surprising considering our electricity prices...
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 08:06
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 08:06
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InBlack wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 08:00:
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 07:29:
Well.. they could make these cars actually affordable... and invent a battery that can last for 30 years.. and not just 5 ?

They are working on that. The upcoming Tesla 3 model, will cost half as much as the Tesla S. Musk has stated that his goal is to ultimately make electric cars as affordable and efficient as possible. As far as battery retention/price/power is concerned, Tesla is in the process of building the biggest battery factory in the world. Tesla also guarantees free recharges at all of its recharge stations. Musk is a smart guy, and unlike most entrepreneurs today, he seems to care a lot about things other than profit.

Also you don't need to care about replacements when you pay $50 a month and hail/schedule an automated car via mobile app.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 08:00
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 08:00
Dec 1, 2015, 08:00
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 1, 2015, 07:29:
Well.. they could make these cars actually affordable... and invent a battery that can last for 30 years.. and not just 5 ?

They are working on that. The upcoming Tesla 3 model, will cost half as much as the Tesla S. Musk has stated that his goal is to ultimately make electric cars as affordable and efficient as possible. As far as battery retention/price/power is concerned, Tesla is in the process of building the biggest battery factory in the world. Tesla also guarantees free recharges at all of its recharge stations. Musk is a smart guy, and unlike most entrepreneurs today, he seems to care a lot about things other than profit.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 07:29
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 07:29
Dec 1, 2015, 07:29
 
Well.. they could make these cars actually affordable... and invent a battery that can last for 30 years.. and not just 5 ?
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 07:17
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 07:17
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One other thing to consider. Mechanical breakdown and failure. Pretty much any component in today's built Teslas can be replaced, and fairly cheaply at that. (Except for the battery, which I believe is probably the most expensive part of the car). Additionally, there are very few moving mechanical parts to break down in the first place, and the types of electric motors that Tesla is using now are an order of magnitude simpler than the 'modern' diesel or gasoline engine. Tesla's biggest problem in the future will be how to sell NEW models to existing Tesla owners.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Dec 1, 2015, 06:01
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Dec 1, 2015, 06:01
Dec 1, 2015, 06:01
 
HP is an awful measurement really and electric motors do not have "less" HP than diesels or petrols - it depends on what RPM you are talking. It also depends on what you want to do but don't forget that trains and ships use electric motors with diesel engines to power them, precisely because the torque is so uniform and PEAK at low RPM, there is no reason (other than cost) that cars cannot have direct drives to do the same thing. You don't see many "geared" electric cars (as there is no point for the price and application) but you could have geared (geared down) electric motors to shift HUGE loads if necessary - think electric trucks, or regular geared for race cars.

For reference look at the tesla power curve. It is mental to about 60mph then dynamics of motor design show. If it was GEARED then it would be a beast.

However, there isn't a point as it is still cheaper to put a lumping great diesel in there instead of a smaller diesel, batteries to soak up the surge, electric motors for powering, reduction gears as appropriate etc etc. In a train or ship then it is more economical to do this and simpler in the terms of building them.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Nov 30, 2015, 23:04
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric Nov 30, 2015, 23:04
Nov 30, 2015, 23:04
 
wtf_man wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 20:21:
Actually, electric motors have way more torque... but towing or doing something heavy-duty would drain the battery way too fast.

A Dodge RAM eco-diesel might be your ticket... and if the word goes kaflooey, you can always run it on scrounged fry oil.

DC motors do have a ton of torque, agreed. But torque only goes so far and that's when the horsepower kicks in, which DC motors lack.

Not buying a Dodge anything, ever. If the world shits the bed, I'll be using a couple of burros and a cart. All I need to scrounge are grass and water.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Nov 30, 2015, 20:21
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Nov 30, 2015, 20:21
 
Shok wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 18:32:
I have a 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE and it's definitely not ugly. Looks the same as the regular Fusions in fact and has all the bells and whistles; leather seats, keyless entry, remote start, heated seats, awesome stock stereo w/ SiriusXM capability. Bought it in May and have used A/C almost every month (Florida) except the last few weeks and mileage is still 41+ mpg so far. Great car and I have no regrets.

Sedans aren't my cup o' tea... so I consider those... well... not as ugly as the Prius. LOL Being into coupes, I might go for a hybrid Mustang, though.

BMW i8... lovely car... just don't have that kind of cash.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 18:46:
I'll be interested when they can make a hybrid F150 that gets 30+ MPG and still holds its near (usually over) 400 hp/torque numbers.

Actually, electric motors have way more torque... but towing or doing something heavy-duty would drain the battery way too fast.

A Dodge RAM eco-diesel might be your ticket... and if the word goes kaflooey, you can always run it on scrounged fry oil.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Nov 30, 2015, 18:46
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Nov 30, 2015, 18:46
 
I'll be interested when they can make a hybrid F150 that gets 30+ MPG and still holds its near (usually over) 400 hp/torque numbers.
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Re: A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Nov 30, 2015, 18:32
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Nov 30, 2015, 18:32
 
I have a 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE and it's definitely not ugly. Looks the same as the regular Fusions in fact and has all the bells and whistles; leather seats, keyless entry, remote start, heated seats, awesome stock stereo w/ SiriusXM capability. Bought it in May and have used A/C almost every month (Florida) except the last few weeks and mileage is still 41+ mpg so far. Great car and I have no regrets.
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A Car Dealers Won’t Sell: It’s Electric
Nov 30, 2015, 18:09
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Nov 30, 2015, 18:09
 
My major beef, aside from range and price, is that any "somewhat" reasonably priced hybrid is butt fuckin ugly... especially the Prius. The recently shown Toyota C-HR is the first hybrid that I would even consider... so it would depend on the price after they go into production next year. In the meantime I'm still hunting for an anti-prius Hellcat.
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Re: 2009-2015 does not make a year
Nov 30, 2015, 15:37
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Pigeon wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 13:18:
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 10:41:
I think it's even worse than that.. likely the problems were known since these cars were first designed.. and I REALLY doubt the other manufacturers are any different when it comes to diesel engines.

Ps.: Can't wait for the robotic formula E, these things can do moves that no human could.

I know Mazda had/has been trying to release a diesel on the US market for a few years now, but couldn't meet the emissions standards while maintaining a competitive price/performance ratio. Apparently neither could VW, but instead of not releasing a car, they cheated.

Which is probably why their cars sell so well in Cheatriot country.
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Nov 30, 2015, 13:18
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eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 30, 2015, 10:41:
I think it's even worse than that.. likely the problems were known since these cars were first designed.. and I REALLY doubt the other manufacturers are any different when it comes to diesel engines.

Ps.: Can't wait for the robotic formula E, these things can do moves that no human could.

I know Mazda had/has been trying to release a diesel on the US market for a few years now, but couldn't meet the emissions standards while maintaining a competitive price/performance ratio. Apparently neither could VW, but instead of not releasing a car, they cheated.
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Nov 30, 2015, 10:41
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Nov 30, 2015, 10:41
 
I think it's even worse than that.. likely the problems were known since these cars were first designed.. and I REALLY doubt the other manufacturers are any different when it comes to diesel engines.

Ps.: Can't wait for the robotic formula E, these things can do moves that no human could.

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2009-2015 does not make a year
Nov 30, 2015, 10:24
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Nov 30, 2015, 10:24
 
VW execs knew about fuel economy, emissions cheating six years a year ago. FTFY
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Nov 30, 2015, 10:22
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I'd love a Tesla but I don't have 100k+ laying around for a car. The rest of them are made intentionally ugly and useless precisely so they won't sell. That way the manufacturers can say 'See, no one wants them.'
Start making Tesla style vehicles at 20K+ and everyone will buy them in droves.

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