Thanksgiving Legal Briefs

  • The Serial Swatter - The New York Times. "Internet trolls have learned to exploit our over-militarized police. It's a crime that's hard to stop — and hard to prosecute." Thanks Neutronbeam and j.c.f.
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Re: Thanksgiving Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2015, 13:22
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Nov 27, 2015, 13:22
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harlock wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 19:14:
those dumbass pigs will take any and every opportunity to suit up and roll out, just so they can play with their little toys

While I understand that any profession or professional group is going to have their fair share of assholes and egotistical maniacs and I'm the last person to hold up law enforcement's recent behavior as a model to draw inspiration and respect from nor do I like the way law enforcement has become militarized any more than anyone else, I do have several LEO's in the family and a few as friends and as such, my response to your statement is: Fuck you, harlock. The world is full of jerks and pricks but that doesn't mean they're all that way. I take offense to your statement in the extreme.

That is all.

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Re: Thanksgiving Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2015, 10:12
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NKD wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 23:00:
He addressed only the response to such calls, saying essentially that he believed the cops are too eager to get out the SWAT toys.

But your post didn't address that at all. I think that's what he means by changing the subject.
Are you saying he wasn't placing fault onto the police? Unless I'm missing something his reply implies the improper response is the fault of the "dumbass pigs". Perhaps I would have been less likely to infer an implication of blame onto the police if his language had been less inflammatory.

Whatever.
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Nov 27, 2015, 08:31
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Medic wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 18:17:
I'm sorry but if it was good, they'd be able to commit people like this until it can be proven that their condition is treatable.

Again: You either have to seek treatment yourself or have it court ordered. The court did not send him in for treatment. That isn't a reflection of the poorness or lack of mental health treatment in the country. It's a limitation of the legal system.
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Re: Thanksgiving Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2015, 03:51
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Nov 27, 2015, 03:51
 
And when the police ‘‘respond high,’’ residents can become disoriented. Maybe they assume they are being robbed. Maybe they pick up a gun. In 2011, a former Marine and Iraq war veteran named Jose Guerena was awakened by his wife, who thought she saw intruders outside their home in Arizona. Guerena picked up his AR-15 rifle, with the safety on, to protect his wife and family. SWAT officers entered the house, saw the gun and shot Guerena dozens of times, killing him.

SWAT teams should not be first responders. Period. End of story. Everything else is just overkill that can end very badly. Not to mention that it's easy to abuse as a way to get into someone's place of residence without a warrant. Hey, can't get a warrant? Make an anonymous phone call, presto, 20 police officers armed to the teeth on site! Fuck warrants, who needs em right?

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Re: Thanksgiving Legal Briefs
Nov 27, 2015, 02:42
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NKD wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 23:00:
He addressed only the response to such calls, saying essentially that he believed the cops are too eager to get out the SWAT toys.

It's an accurate assessment, too. Egos love drama. Drama in video games, drama in war, drama in school, drama on TV, drama at work...

The thrill and excitement of bashing people's doors down and holding them at gunpoint is extremely tempting to certain personality types.

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Nov 26, 2015, 23:41
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Nov 26, 2015, 23:41
 
Panickd wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 16:58:

Yes, they do. A very good one in fact. But you need to seek out treatment or have it court ordered. The latter didn't happen and I doubt a sociopath has any reason to believe they need to do the former (you know the whole "if you think you're crazy you're probably not" schtick tends to work in reverse for the real nutjobs out there).

Well you can thank the SCC in the 90's for the gutting of the mental health system here in Canada. When they ruled that you can't lock up crazy people for actually being crazy and causing harm, or forcing them into a group-care home to ensure they're taking their medication to ensure they're not hurting themselves or others, the governments(provincial and federal) gutted the mental health facilities across the country.

Here's a good example from a couple of ride-alongs I did back in 2010. Got a call that there was a disturbed individual threatening people in a public place, and causing self-harm. So, we end up waiting for a ambulance to arrive. Escort them to the hospital, wait for a doctor to remit them to the psych ward. Now the good part, come Monday morning they end up in court. The judge orders them to be under evaluation, they get on medication. 3 weeks later, they were back doing exactly the same shit all over again, because he was released from the regional mental health facility.

Mental health treatment for the most part in Canada is like it is in many parts of the US. A revolving door.
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Nov 26, 2015, 23:00
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Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 22:50:
I changed the subject? So, you weren't calling the police over zealous and trigger happy? Okay, I'll bite. What were you attempting to imply?

To be fair, your reply to him was stupid or at least poorly phrased. He never said or implied that receiving the call was their fault.

He addressed only the response to such calls, saying essentially that he believed the cops are too eager to get out the SWAT toys.

But your post didn't address that at all. I think that's what he means by changing the subject.

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Nov 26, 2015, 22:50
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I changed the subject? So, you weren't calling the police over zealous and trigger happy? Okay, I'll bite. What were you attempting to imply?
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Nov 26, 2015, 19:42
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Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 19:29:
harlock wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 19:14:
those dumbass pigs will take any and every opportunity to suit up and roll out, just so they can play with their little toys

lol -- yeah, it's all the fault of the police that a psychopath is calling reporting false in progress crimes. Totally their fault. /end sarcasm

what? you completely changed the subject and you think you are making some kind of point? trust me, stay out of politics, you fucking suck at spin
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Nov 26, 2015, 19:29
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Nov 26, 2015, 19:29
 
harlock wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 19:14:
those dumbass pigs will take any and every opportunity to suit up and roll out, just so they can play with their little toys

lol -- yeah, it's all the fault of the police that a psychopath is calling reporting false in progress crimes. Totally their fault. /end sarcasm
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx
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Nov 26, 2015, 19:14
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Nov 26, 2015, 19:14
 
those dumbass pigs will take any and every opportunity to suit up and roll out, just so they can play with their little toys
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Re: Thanksgiving Legal Briefs
Nov 26, 2015, 18:58
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Nov 26, 2015, 18:58
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I've been saying for a while now the burden is on law enforcement here. They either have to develop a way to catch these guys, or they have to adjust how they handle emergency calls that raise red flags about their credibility.

If an incident is so serious it requires a heavily armed SWAT team, it probably isn't going to be reported by a single isolated call coming from a suspicious number, or coming over a deaf assistance line.
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Nov 26, 2015, 18:17
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I'm sorry but if it was good, they'd be able to commit people like this until it can be proven that their condition is treatable.
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Nov 26, 2015, 16:58
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eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 16:51:
Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 16:10:
Thank the Young Offenders Act for that. These little terrorists can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. This insanity has to end.

Quite literally even.. the dude was diagnosed borderline psychopathic with zero empathy and severe psychological disorder.. and they let him walk free with zero supervision? WTF? Does Canada not have a medical system that treats psychological illness?

Yes, they do. A very good one in fact. But you need to seek out treatment or have it court ordered. The latter didn't happen and I doubt a sociopath has any reason to believe they need to do the former (you know the whole "if you think you're crazy you're probably not" schtick tends to work in reverse for the real nutjobs out there).
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Cutter wrote on Nov 26, 2015, 16:10:
Thank the Young Offenders Act for that. These little terrorists can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. This insanity has to end.

Quite literally even.. the dude was diagnosed borderline psychopathic with zero empathy and severe psychological disorder.. and they let him walk free with zero supervision? WTF? Does Canada not have a medical system that treats psychological illness?
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Nov 26, 2015, 16:10
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Nov 26, 2015, 16:10
 Cutter
 
Thank the Young Offenders Act for that. These little terrorists can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. This insanity has to end.
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